Mystery haze appears above Ceres' bright spots

NASA has detected a HAZE that occasionally forms over half the crater. Due to this discovery, the idea of SALT is pretty much out the window. They are now leaning more towards ICE.

** Personally, I'm sticking with mining colony But well go with ice for now **

Ceres Haze - Click Here

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Ceres Haze, huh? Hmm.
Only a matter of time before some weed strain gets that name, just sayin

originally posted by: alienDNA
Ceres Haze, huh? Hmm.
Only a matter of time before some weed strain gets that name, just sayin

It'll be...out of this world!

OK I'll leave.

a reply to: Triton1128

Would a haze indicate ice? The haze is confined to the crater itself. I'm going with a gas escaping from beneath the surface. Possible that Ceres is still active?

originally posted by: angryhulk
a reply to: Triton1128

Would a haze indicate ice? The haze is confined to the crater itself. I'm going with a gas escaping from beneath the surface. Possible that Ceres is still active?

My first thought is water sublimating water/gas due to the sun heating it up -- something like gas sublimating from a comet.

a reply to: Triton1128

I really do hope it's ice...otherwise...there might be a whole lot of suicides on ATS.

Dawn has also found that Ceres is slightly smaller than expected, making it roughly 4% more dense than scientists had thought, Russell reports. And the obliquity, or tilt, of its orbit is the reverse of what scientists had anticipated

Leaving this for future reference.

originally posted by: MarioOnTheFly
a reply to: Triton1128

I really do hope it's ice...otherwise...there might be a whole lot of suicides on ATS.

Dawn has also found that Ceres is slightly smaller than expected, making it roughly 4% more dense than scientists had thought, Russell reports. And the obliquity, or tilt, of its orbit is the reverse of what scientists had anticipated

Leaving this for future reference.

Can you please explain this? Not arguing, just scratching my head about what you mean by "leaving this for future reference". Does the dnsity indicate something specific to you or is it the obliquity or have i missed the point entirely? Cheers.

a reply to: Flavian

Nope. Density doesn't indicate anything special to me. I was anticipating some flak, so this quote might serve me for future reference.

Don't pay attention to me...I'm almost trolling

im no expert .. but it seems clear to me that the haze is caused by a type of matter that humans have no yet conceived of .. until now obviously .. i just did ..

its called elusimatter ... and is impossible to ever detect, anywhere.. ever .. so no point in even trying .. not even with an atom smasher the size of canada .. it just dont work that way ...

now ... this elusi-matter, while impossible to detect directly .. we can detect its effects on other smaller objects, such as wee stones like ceres flyin around ..
what's happening is .. this elusi-matter physically exists in another dimension, i think about the 9th dimension ish .. so .. is very much intertwined with our own dimension as part of teh greater construct .. and while we can never see this other dimension or interact with it directly.. it still there, and serves its purpose as none of these dimensions can exist without teh otehr .. they must co-exist as part of the greater construct.

So the elusimatter in the 9th dimenion, gives off radiation .. course not radiation as we know it .. its a weird 9th dimensional kinda radiation that words cant describe .. but when just the right circumstances come in to play.. ie .. a build up of entruisic thermal matter in the 9th dimension (likely from a collapsing sergomant), which then, if it builds up enough mass, eventually also causes its molecular structure (or the 9th dimension variant of molecules), to rearrange into elusive elusimatter ...

the elusi,matter itself isnt the problem .. its and not necesserily the weird 9th dimesnional radiotaion it gives off ... its the weakened state of the dimensions 'fabric' .. or boundaries .. not boundaries the way one regularly thinks .. but more like we apply the term 'fabric' to our space, to indicate that its not only not empty, but plays some 'supporting' role in holding things together ...
likewise .. the 'fabric' of the 9th dimension, can be weakened .. or torn, if you will .. and its that .. which allows the elusimatters' radiation to seep into our 'space-time' if you will, from time to time ..

this is what you see stirring up the haze on wee stones like ceres ..
its unlikely you would ever see it affecting anything big like a moon, or a planet ...

see as am sayin that tho .. ive got this naggin thought in ma mind .. that a few of the details might not be precise ... like i might be mistaking this for somethin completely different ...
yeah .. prob best to forget everything i just said .. if you even got this far

a reply to: MarioOnTheFly

Aahhhh, that makes sense.

a reply to: Segenam

You sure you're not smoking that Ceres Haze already!?

originally posted by: angryhulk
a reply to: Triton1128

Would a haze indicate ice? The haze is confined to the crater itself. I'm going with a gas escaping from beneath the surface. Possible that Ceres is still active?

It does have activity, water vapour that's been observed by the Herschel telescope,

www.esa.int...

originally posted by: smurfy

originally posted by: angryhulk
a reply to: Triton1128

Would a haze indicate ice? The haze is confined to the crater itself. I'm going with a gas escaping from beneath the surface. Possible that Ceres is still active?

It does have activity, water vapour that's been observed by the Herschel telescope,

www.esa.int...

Well is there a chance that this is volcanic activity, and the bright spots within the crater is volcanic glass?

Has liquid methane but ruled out yet? This is what I've been saying it was for quite some time now.

interesting. the accumulation of knowledge, even super scientific space knowledge, remains a perpetual learning curve. i'm looking forward to more ceres revelations.

It could be underground salty water rising to the surface and evaporating, leaving the bright deposits.

originally posted by: alienDNA
Ceres Haze, huh? Hmm.
Only a matter of time before some weed strain gets that name, just sayin

You cannot be cereious.....





(We have pun here)

originally posted by: wildespace
It could be underground salty water rising to the surface and evaporating, leaving the bright deposits.

That's an interesting thought, I mean they are allowing for cryovolcanoes, and they know they exist on Titan, so I suppose it's anybody's guess of what is the makeup of the, 'Magma' it would be a mixture of things. On Cere's they are now dropping the idea of a salty bed for the bright spots, and saying that it is ice, and because of the plume, the ice is sublimating as it warms, and takes any debris away from the surface, leaving more ice for the same process to occur again. But maybe there is room for your idea, a cryovolcano with a briny 'magma' and at the surface the water sublimates, and the salts are left.

Here's a JPL video of Titan's cryovolcanoes,

originally posted by: wildespace
It could be underground salty water rising to the surface and evaporating, leaving the bright deposits.

I agree this could be what it is. I made a post about this back on May 3 in another thread.

My thinking at the time was that while plain ice would sublimate away too quickly to leave behind such large areas of bright material, a mixture of the two may sublimate more slowly where a larger area of bright material could form (but still create a bit of a visible sublimating plume, which could be the haze now being reported).

www.abovetopsecret.com...

originally posted by: Soylent Green Is People
Maybe it's a salt flat laid down by water that sublimated away, leaving salt deposits behind.

My second choice would be a frozen deposit of salty/mineraly-rich water (so I suppose "Ice" is my second choice, but I'm talking about water ice with a very very high concentration of mineral salts -- so my true second choice would be somewhere in between "Salt" and "Ice"). Just plain water ice would have a tendency to sublimate away into space rather than being persistent, but maybe if that water was high dissolved mineral salts content, then possibly that salty mineral component is preventing it from sublimating so easily.

originally posted by: smurfy
On Cere's they are now dropping the idea of a salty bed for the bright spots, and saying that it is ice

It's not so much about NASA embracing or dropping various explanations for the bright spots, as about speculation and what people read into the official anouncements. NASA are patiently waiting for the spectroscopic data, the rest of us are quite keen on trying to give it more of a certainty.

Saying that "NASA says one thing yesterday, and completely different thing today" is incorrect and will just feed conspiracy theories.

The argument against ice is that that area has been exposed to sunlight for billions of years since Ceres formed, and any exposed ice would have sublimated a long time ago (unless it's very recent). So, the bright spots are either a very recent exposure of ice to the surface, or the much older salt deposits. But this is again just my speculation.

The real answer will come with the real examination of the area by the spacecraft and scientists who receive the data.