NASA to Make BIG Announcement Live on Thursday - Another Earth?!

originally posted by: HawkeyeNation

originally posted by: JadeStar

originally posted by: Jekka
a reply to: JadeStar

Our exploration and listening to of space has a lot of ego wrapped up in it. For one, we assume that any species we find will be broadcasting within the same band of frequencies we use for communication and for two, that they are still broadcasting, i.e. have not surpassed us technologically.

Um not necessarily.. You might want to read this ATS thread I posted back in April: Denying Ignorance About SETI: It's Not Just About Radio Anymore

How did I miss this one. Thanks for mentioning it. Your intelligence in the field is astonishing and my pea sized brain has a hard time comprehending it lol.

Thank you but you flatter me too much. I'm just a student who has done a ton of reading on the subject. I'm not a genius and I'm only 20.

Soo...
We look back at at planet as it was 1400y ago.
A planet that has been on an evolutionary
rollercoaster for about 2BILLION years more than
us.

First of, fat chance SETI would hear something.
IF they have survived the trials of evolution
BIG if, i dont see them using radiowaves anymore.
If they are still around, maybe subspace something
or maybe quantum something, yeayea i know sound
more like fiction then fact, but what do we know,
compared to what ever might live there, we were
just born. EDIT: For all we know, "they" are just about
to be......

And on the subject of going there, freezed down, nhaaa
id rather go by the warpthing they are tinkering with.
IF, they get that to work...

Either way, cool story... Hope they find more.

originally posted by: Jekka
a reply to: JadeStar

Great post, and I get what you are saying, we do scan a lot of channels within the electromagnetic frequency range, I was referring to things we haven't much comprehension of at this point, a sci-fi example would be sub-light communication, while another less fiction based idea would be fourth dimension communications. Things we couldn't hope to detect with our current technology. Another thing to consider is unidirectional communications, point to point or laser-like messaging that doesn't messily broadcast in a large swath in the hopes of hitting its target but something of more finesse that would have to be pointed directly at us to be received.

Even lasers spread over such long distance. It wouldn't not need to be pointed just at us in particular. If it were aimed in our general direction some of the optical SETI experiments looking for lasers might detect it.

Aliens might be using some kind of quantum entanglement communication, which would be pretty un-hackable I would imagine. It would be instantaneous communication, point-to-point and we'd be unable to intercept it.

Not exactly the same by any stretch but...

I'm pretty sure the US Military has quantum-encoded radios. They come in pairs, and only work with the other radio.

originally posted by: Jekka
a reply to: JadeStar

Thanks, I somehow forgot about relativity. At any rate, that amount of time in a small confined space would wear on the inhabitants. Odds are unless they are made to interact closely for a length of time beforehand to see how they work on a social scale, it is going to be a group of scientists who haven't met for more than a few weeks in the total prep time. That is something we are working on though, as well as the long term effects of microgravity on the human body.

At 1G acceleration you just would stand on the wall the in the direction the ship is going and you have Earth gravity.

Also I do not think any sort of starship would be a tightly confined thing like the ISS or any space caft we've so far launched. They'd probably be pretty spacious, have a greenhouse, and other places people could go to be alone if they got on each other's nerves.

a reply to: JadeStar

You go girl, lol. I've been fascinated in the field but never wanted to put the time and effort into really learning it. I'm moving out of the city and into a more country setting within the next month so I may just look to get into it. I may come for some advice on scopes to start with

originally posted by: JadeStar

originally posted by: HawkeyeNation

originally posted by: JadeStar

originally posted by: Jekka
a reply to: JadeStar

Our exploration and listening to of space has a lot of ego wrapped up in it. For one, we assume that any species we find will be broadcasting within the same band of frequencies we use for communication and for two, that they are still broadcasting, i.e. have not surpassed us technologically.

Um not necessarily.. You might want to read this ATS thread I posted back in April: Denying Ignorance About SETI: It's Not Just About Radio Anymore

How did I miss this one. Thanks for mentioning it. Your intelligence in the field is astonishing and my pea sized brain has a hard time comprehending it lol.

Thank you but you flatter me too much. I'm just a student who has done a ton of reading on the subject. I'm not a genius and I'm only 20.

Girl you ARE a genius you're just too damn humble to admit it.

Shine proud. I'm sure your parents agree with me anyway. So there.

originally posted by: MystikMushroom
Aliens might be using some kind of quantum entanglement communication, which would be pretty un-hackable I would imagine. It would be instantaneous communication, point-to-point and we'd be unable to intercept it.

Not exactly the same by any stretch but...

I'm pretty sure the US Military has quantum-encoded radios. They come in pairs, and only work with the other radio.

Often repeated but often wrong. Quantum entanglement does not allow for instantaneous communication since the state of the entangled particle can not be communicated any faster than the speed of light.

You are right that it would be un-hackable but it would not give anyone faster than light communication AFAIK.

a reply to: JadeStar

As always Jadestar, your responses to threads related to, and your authorship of such threads, are always a pleasure to read and contemplate.
As you know, or maybe not but anyway, I am of the mind that intelligent life does exist, and has visited our little world.

The new perspectives that these current researches have opened are mind blowing really, are aren't they?

This new (to the layman) planet that has been discussed is quite the revelation for many; similar sized star, similar sized planet (probably rocky), similar orbital time period. All very evocative and even provocative.

The point about the Fermi paradox, your speculation is absolutely valid.

My speculation is different of course. Given what we are finding out in leaps and bounds about the existence of planetary bodies, combined with our growing understanding of what it would actually take, technologically speaking, to reach out in any meaningful way to these far flung places, would it not be logical to believe that if such technologically advanced lifeforms exist they will probably have addressed these issues?

What seems to be being suggested with the latest earth 2.0 ( such a horrible term) is that they believe the mass may be something like twice that of earth, correct?

Would a species, once it had actually taken its first steps into space, feel the effects of micro gravity in a much keener way? Would they, perhaps, give much more importance to the science of mass cancelling technologies, if they are possible, given their absolute need for them?

Where then would their technological interests lead them? Maybe the focus, being so different than ours, which has been basically propulsion, allowed them to get the answer much more quickly?

As for contact on a planet wide scale, perhaps they are, simply, lovers of life, and wish in no way to influence in its development.

Speculation, it is what I do LOL and personally I don't need proof to dream.

a reply to: MystikMushroom

From what I understand, the idea of quantum entanglement could not be used to create a faster than light communication system for one simple reason. While the "spooky action at a distance idea" seems to be instantaneous, there is no way to relate the information received to anything else. So there is no relevance to the fact that a photon has changed its state, it simply has, and that is all.
I think, anyway.


It seems that the verification of the changed state is where the problem lies.

originally posted by: In4ormant
a reply to: ghostrager

NASA found oil on Uranus man

Are they going to start drilling it? Probably going to do more probing first.

Can't really say I'm excited about it.

NASA always release these types of news. It's like some kind of sensational headlines to attract investors or something.

I mean, until they find a planet exactly identical to Earth, I'm just not very interested.

When I mean identical, it doesn't have to be like exact fauna or organisms or whatever, just ... similar environment would be nice.

Almost every single headline in the past about a potential Earth like planet has been somewhat disappointing in the past.

Like they say they found another Earth like planet within the Goldie Lock zone, but then you read into it, it says it's like twice Earth's size and then average temperature is like really really cold or something.

It would be really exciting, if they found one that's like almost exactly the size of Earth, exact temperatures as Earth, almost exact orbital patterns etc. etc.

Perhaps I'm asking for too much lol...

Is it even theoretically possible to get there?

I mean even if we could travel the speed of light, most of the electronics would probable have degraded to dust in 1400 years?

a reply to: JadeStar

Yep, hat's why I prefaced what I said with "not exactly the same thing..."

It's basically a quantum encryption method. They've already done bank transfers using quantum encryption, and that's in the white world. The great thing is, anyone that tries to tamper/intercept the message gets discovered.

a reply to: Jonjonj

And that's why I said "not quite the same" -- as I pointed out it's an encryption method that pairs two points together. They've even gotten it down where the receiver has to be within a few meters to be able to get the transmission. So not only can you not intercept the message without being discovered, you have to be at an exact location to get the message.

So aliens could be using something similar -- a point-to-point communication method. If we're not the intended recipients, we'll never "hear" them.

As I said, this is all in the declassified, public/white world. Imagine what the black projects are using...

originally posted by: TheWiseDwarf
Am I the only one who sees this as a historical breakthrough? What are the chances of finding any better Earth-like planet? This one sounds literally like another Earth.

I just wanted to say yes it is a big step for humanity, it's something Bruno was burned for even suggesting.

As for the chances of finding s better planet, I'll answer this more fully tonight. I'm going through the new planet candidates.

a reply to: MystikMushroom

The concept of frozen matter is where the whole idea of quantum entanglement starts to become realistic. If one could demonstrate that a photon were going to change states, and transmit that information before releasing the quanta, then that would be a big change. It seems that it only needs to happen once in order for it to be used.

originally posted by: ScientificRailgun

originally posted by: JadeStar

originally posted by: HawkeyeNation

originally posted by: JadeStar

originally posted by: Jekka
a reply to: JadeStar

Our exploration and listening to of space has a lot of ego wrapped up in it. For one, we assume that any species we find will be broadcasting within the same band of frequencies we use for communication and for two, that they are still broadcasting, i.e. have not surpassed us technologically.

Um not necessarily.. You might want to read this ATS thread I posted back in April: Denying Ignorance About SETI: It's Not Just About Radio Anymore

How did I miss this one. Thanks for mentioning it. Your intelligence in the field is astonishing and my pea sized brain has a hard time comprehending it lol.

Thank you but you flatter me too much. I'm just a student who has done a ton of reading on the subject. I'm not a genius and I'm only 20.

Girl you ARE a genius you're just too damn humble to admit it.

Shine proud. I'm sure your parents agree with me anyway. So there.

Ok, if you say so. I just know that the Genius Bar is high. Sara Seager IS a genius. I am merely a student in training to perhaps be one. Oh and my parents will always say I'm a genius because that's what parents do.

I do appreciate the compliments though. someday I might actually live up to them.

a reply to: JadeStar

She ain't no genius, she is just a girl with a scope and a whole lotta hope!

Same thing but had to say it.

Check it out:

Last week Toshiba tested a quantum broadband link so secure it's theoretically unbreakable. Now a researcher at the University of New South Wales in Sydney has devised an even more sophisticated quantum scheme that ensures that only a recipient standing in precisely the right location can receive a message.

With New Quantum Encryption Scheme, Messages Can Only Be Read In Designated Geographical Location