Shocking? John Kerry says Iran's vow to defy U.S. is 'very disturbing'...

As far as I remember, the points of concern of Khamenei were totally comprehensible from their pov. This isn't in fact a deal at all for Iran, it's most probably a trap for them. And tell me one single sovereign state that should accept inspector in their military bases... Why not let them inspect american's or european's or arabian's or israeli's ones? Double standard is ok for everyone it seems.

Also the rhetoric of Iran wiping off Israel from the map should be a dead horse, but with people like John Kerry and Victoria Nuland in power I guess we'll see a lot or "necrophile" propaganda. And why Saudi Arabia isn't sanctioned for the inhumanities that happen in their country?

The middle east is kept intentionally in a state of turmoil and nobody is trying to fix this because it's not profitable for the same old criminals making money on people's death, regardless of their faiths. Whoever thinks it's just because of the Islamic State or Iran is either willfully ignorant or just ignorant.

originally posted by: hounddoghowlie
a reply to: CharlieSpeirs

really, you didn't even quote it right so how can your " context" be right.

in black and white from the OP's source, the words he said were.

"Even after this deal our policy toward the arrogant U.S. will not change,"

their policy for nuclear inspection was to, lie, move, deny, stop inspectors from entering sites, any thing they could think of to hide what they had. so that's not gonna stop.

hell when Kerry the man that headed the U.S. delegation, says it's " very disturbing, it's very troubling," after Iran got a sweet heart deal. you should take notice.

plus you do realize that the U.S. policy includes a non nuclear weapons Iran, so if they are a 180 out what do you suppose that means.

Because I quoted the whole thing from Ayatollah Khameinis Twitter page...
And read the following tweets clarifying his stance had nothing to do with the nuclear deal but regional policy differences.

That's how I know.

originally posted by: cavtrooper7
a reply to: CharlieSpeirs

Just to be CLEAR then.
Do YOU think the will follow the agreement?

Unless they want the sanctions slapped straight back into place, yes they will.

i feel that the majority of iranians are not fundamentalists, they embrace western culture, are very modern, forward thinking and very well educated. its the religious element, theocracy, ayatollahs that the youth of iran need to be liberated from. the majority of iranians are under 30, hopefully once the old guard dies off the future leaders will be much more friendlier with us.

It's called diplomacy.

Now, with that sheet of paper, any transgression can be legally ...er, corrected... with force.

We may have learned something about fast tracked, illegal wars without world support... hopefully.

Any country who wishes to persue banned weapons of any kind need have no fear of these inspections.
All they have to do,and have done is to build secret facilities out of the reach of international inspectors.

ALL countries who have persued banned weapons systems have done this since the discovery of chem/bio/nuclear weapons.

How do they do this?

They build a load of weapons plants above ground,which they show to the inspectors.
Then they build a load more,deep underground which are totally off the radar of any inspections.

This has been going on for decades-and any weapon inspection deals have been media sideshows to make it look like governments are behaving.

Guess what?
None of them are behaving,be they in the middle east,the USA,Europe,Russia or Asia.
Every country with a bit of money has sheeeiit loads of secret weapons projects.

Rules,deals,laws-they mean nothing.

Hell-since the wall came down,any fool with enough money could buy a working nuclear bomb on the black market.
Deals/non proliferation treaties mean nothing in reality.

mad:

originally posted by: CharlieSpeirs

originally posted by: cavtrooper7
a reply to: CharlieSpeirs

Just to be CLEAR then.
Do YOU think the will follow the agreement?

Unless they want the sanctions slapped straight back into place, yes they will.

Nah, this Iran deal is all about legacy. Therefore US sanctions will not come back should Iran step out of line, at least not until Obama is well insulated from it.

a reply to: CharlieSpeirs

Because I quoted the whole thing from Ayatollah Khameinis Twitter page... And read the following tweets clarifying his stance had nothing to do with the nuclear deal but regional policy differences.

oh, his twitter page, not his speech.

well funny i've just looked at his twitter page, and no where do i see him clarifying his stance.
in fact every tweet looks as if he's bragging that the deal does nothing.

Khamenei.ir twitter
and here is his tweet from jULY 17th with no explanation as you claim.

Khamenei.ir twitter July 17th


care to post where you saw that.

a reply to: notmyrealname

Yeah, kinda hard to love the guys helping to oppress you or just take advantage.

originally posted by: hounddoghowlie

their policy for nuclear inspection was to, lie, move, deny, stop inspectors from entering sites, any thing they could think of to hide what they had. so that's not gonna stop.

Maybe Israel and the US could allow Iranian inspectors into their nuclear facilities, just to set an example and show them how it should be done. We could start by allowing Iranian inspectors into Area 51.

a reply to: CharlieSpeirs

The leadership DOESN'T care about that,if we are to believe the miltary announcements the public gatherings and what Khameney says.

originally posted by: Mastronaut
As far as I remember, the points of concern of Khamenei were totally comprehensible from their pov. This isn't in fact a deal at all for Iran, it's most probably a trap for them. And tell me one single sovereign state that should accept inspector in their military bases... Why not let them inspect american's or european's or arabian's or israeli's ones? Double standard is ok for everyone it seems.

Also the rhetoric of Iran wiping off Israel from the map should be a dead horse, but with people like John Kerry and Victoria Nuland in power I guess we'll see a lot or "necrophile" propaganda. And why Saudi Arabia isn't sanctioned for the inhumanities that happen in their country?

The middle east is kept intentionally in a state of turmoil and nobody is trying to fix this because it's not profitable for the same old criminals making money on people's death, regardless of their faiths. Whoever thinks it's just because of the Islamic State or Iran is either willfully ignorant or just ignorant.

American nuke sites are inspected by the Russians 18 times a year as per the START treaty, and this agreement is for inspectors, not American inspectors.

originally posted by: ketsuko
American nuke sites are inspected by the Russians 18 times a year as per the START treaty, and this agreement is for inspectors, not American inspectors.

Please tell me where I said NUKE sites, since there should be no nukes in Iran's military bases at all.
And can you please tell me if there are inspectors walking around other bases just to find out IF there are nukes? it's not a rhetoric question, it's sincere.

a reply to: hounddoghowlie

How about in his very next tweet...



Clearly he is discussing a 180 difference in regional politics , and not at all about the Nuclear deal.


I'm done with this thread, even the OP article Kerry clearly says "I don't know in what context he means"...

Well it's clearly spelled out.
"We may deal with nuclear talks...".
"We are 180 on Middle Eastern politics".

So what is the solution..invade Iran?, they gonna build the bomb if they desire whether anyone likes it or not..better you can knock on the door and see what's cooking as opposed to not..or start WW111.

originally posted by: Mastronaut

originally posted by: ketsuko
American nuke sites are inspected by the Russians 18 times a year as per the START treaty, and this agreement is for inspectors, not American inspectors.

Please tell me where I said NUKE sites, since there should be no nukes in Iran's military bases at all.
And can you please tell me if there are inspectors walking around other bases just to find out IF there are nukes? it's not a rhetoric question, it's sincere.

This is about inspecting Iran's nuclear sites. A nuclear site is a nuclear site which would be a facility with the ability to produce nuclear weapons.

Heck Russians can come inspect where my husband works on no notice here in the US, and he's in biotech, but then so does everyone else in the world.

a reply to: CharlieSpeirs

I am not sure if your trolling or naive or maybe just a little of both...

I would not trust any man that has no problem killing women and children in 1978, to gain power over a country...


Ali Khamenei, you trust words from this man's mouth, you may want to see who his company was Ruhollah Khomeini...


Hence, the word ayatollah... This guy supported and has blood on his hands from 1979, children and women's blood.. I am not going to hijack this thread to teach history, BUT I think the problem, with our current government, and civilians, is most of them do not care about history, and what history has taught us...

The Ayatollah's Ideology, is the same as it was in 1979...

I have no idea what the Obama regime, is dreaming of in Iran, I suppose when the USA, has a weak foreign policy and weak diplomats we get most fatuous agreements with terrorist states...

originally posted by: vonclod
So what is the solution..invade Iran?, they gonna build the bomb if they desire whether anyone likes it or not..better you can knock on the door and see what's cooking as opposed to not..or start WW111.

Everyone knew that already. THis just gives it the veneer of world approval.

originally posted by: vonclod
So what is the solution..invade Iran?, they gonna build the bomb if they desire whether anyone likes it or not..better you can knock on the door and see what's cooking as opposed to not..or start WW111.

the solution is to maintain the pre-treaty sanctions and use diplomacy to further isolate Iran until they decide to play nice and join the rest of the world in the 21st century.
the fact that Iran went through this dog/pony show indicates they are feeling the effects of.

Iran was vowing to defy USA even while the negotiations were taking place.

The Iranian Ayatollah was encouraging crowds of people chanting "Death to American" while the negotiations were occurring.

Who does a deal with someone line that?

Kerry coming back saying that Iran's capability to make nuclear weapons has been wiped out is like Chamberlain's claim of "Peace in Our Time" in September 1939.