Water Memory

Do you know if there is any validility in the theory that water can retain the memory of the molecule that was once in it?

Originally posted by Vegemite
Do you know if there is any validility in the theory that water can retain the memory of the molecule that was once in it?

I'm assuming you mean literally? The answer would be no. Water consists of two hydrogen atoms and one oxygen atom. It will seek the most energy efficient shape, and has a strong enough bond to itself to create surface tension. But it has no actual memory of the place from whence it came. It's not a function of water having any sort of memory, but rather physics.

Metaphorically, however, like to represent souls seperating from the collective, and retaining slight knowledge of the infinite, is possible...

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Originally posted by Vegemite
Do you know if there is any validility in the theory that water can retain the memory of the molecule that was once in it?

Personally, I don't dismiss this theory wholesale. Check out the work of Dr. Something Emoto. Emoto's work suggests that there may be some validity to this. There is another scientist that believes this also... can't think of his name, but he's done experiments that seem to suggest that water can 'remember' a substance that was in it. The specific examples he's tested were biological motor and ATP. According to him, water that once contained, but no longer contains ATP was capable of powering biological work. I'll see if I can dig him up. Check out Emoto's stuff in the mean time. I never quite know what to make of it.

Huh??

Chemically "pure" water as stated earlier is 100% 2 Hydrogen atom and one Oxygen atom - plain and simple. Now, most of us do not have access to such pure water and consume stuff with lots of trace elements (gunk) in it.

Even distilled water starts to absorb CO2 from the air so in certain lab environments you have to use/seal it as soon as it's made.

Can 2 simple atoms in the form of a water molecule have a "memory" - don't think so. It has certain chemical properties but memory in this use implies intelligence and water is "dead" for all practical purposes. Could the various electron shells do something weird - sure and monkeys may fly out of my butt too.... The word memory gets used in many ways - some metals are said to have a memory i.e. they return to their original shape after being displaced but that is not intelligent memory - simply a physical property of their chemical structure.

This is almost as good as the pedal powered SAAB airplane that some nutball was claiming he designed and built!!

I am going out on a limb here and going to say you are refering to homeopathy.

It basicly works on principle of if a plant makes you throw up a very small amount will stop it from happening.
The dillisions used are down to the point of nothing left of orginial and so the memory of what was in the water does the cure.

hope this helps-try googling homeopathy for more information-hope this helped

New age quackery to make a buck....

Homeopathy was the roots of modern medicine. All homeopathic treatments were taken by modern science and used to extracting the active ingredients. We then found we could make it in a lab cheaper than harvesting a plant/animal.

Surgery - a different matter. There we are messing with evolution and natural selection - either good or bad. I'll take the local drug store versus digging up some exotic plant and if water has a memory, good - I want some of Einstein's - 50ml should do it if anyone has any get me a price..!!

Originally posted by Vegemite
Do you know if there is any validility in the theory that water can retain the memory of the molecule that was once in it?

Are you worried that the water in your cofee may "remember" the hundreds/thousands of bodies/urethra's, etc. that it has been through?

Scientifically, there all water molecules are identical and there is no way for it to "remember" where it came from. You can tell from impurities many things about where the water has been, but the water itself is, well, water. If you believe in some of the other things mentioned - well then I guess that's possible too.

I vote no, as well. Dr. Ludwig's interview reads like typical new age quackery.

I've never heard of this theory.
I don't know whether to believe it or not.
If you THINK the water you drink is holding a memory of whatever
sewage it used to be in...I guess that could cause you to THINK that
you are sick.
I dunno.

Im talking about homeopathy. I saw a show where a scientist put histamine in water and diluted it to infinity but the cells reacted as if histamine was still in it.

Originally posted by Vegemite
Im talking about homeopathy. I saw a show where a scientist put histamine in water and diluted it to infinity but the cells reacted as if histamine was still in it.

I believe homeopathic remedies are often very highly diluted and so are mainly water. Also, I think in some cases the water only needs to be shown to the active substance and not actually placed in direct contact.

Originally posted by AlexofSkye
I vote no, as well. Dr. Ludwig's interview reads like typical new age quackery.

Just watch this page...
www.alivewater.net...

We know our organism is made of 75% Water.

Well... So now he's saying that water has memory when this "75% water organism" generally doesn't have much of it.


ROTFL

Recently skeptics of homeopathy have taken to publicly consuming large quantities of homeopathic remedies to demonstrate the remedies' lack of effect. Some, such as James Randi, Richard Saunders and Peter Bowditch, have consumed entire boxes of homeopathic sleeping pills at the start of public talks. SKEPP (Belgian Skeptics) held a press conference at which the skeptics attempted to commit mass suicide by taking homeopathic dilutions of poison [3] . It was, however, a “failure” as none of them even became ill.

en.wikipedia.org...

www.quackwatch.org...

I don't have more time now because I have to go to sleep but while I'm doing that, here's something to think:
"Faith in a holy cause is to a considerable extent a substitute for lost faith in ourselves."
-Eric Hoffer