U.S., Cuba Restore Full Diplomatic Ties After 5 Decades

Had relatives come back from a holiday in Cuba and they said it was great but was surprised at the anti American attitude from many they met there.

As others have mentioned Cuba is not a role model and the distrust between the countries has resulted in extreme measures being taken on citizens classed as traitors,that can not be overlooked

Offering the hand of friendship would be a wise decision and would change many Cubans outlook on Americans when they take their vacations there for the better

originally posted by: ElectricUniverse

Do you know what doing business with a DICTATORSHIP is?

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Yeah we just have to look at all the other dictatorships the USA not only regularly but also are allies with......


Please save your false outrage.

originally posted by: ElectricUniverse

U.S. SAYS CUBANS KNEW THEY FIRED ON CIVILIAN PLANES
By BARBARA CROSSETTE
Published: February 28, 1996

...
"The target is in sight, the target is in sight," the pilot of one MIG-29 told a nearby MIG-23, as the fighters closed in on the aircraft piloted by a members of an anti-Castro Cuban-American group, Brothers to the Rescue. "It's a small aircraft."

Copied," the ground controller answered. "A small plane in sight."

The MIG-23 crew clamored for authorization to shoot, then exulted in the destruction of the first plane: "This one won't mess around any more."
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Several air-to-air and air-to-controller conversations in the transcript released today, translated from Spanish by the American Government, seem to demonstrate that at least in the case of one Cessna, the fighter planes made no effort to warn off the civilian pilot as required by international aviation procedures.
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Although Cuba continues to insist that the aircraft were shot down about five miles from their coast -- well within the internationally recognized limit of territorial waters, which extends 12 miles from the shore -- American diplomats today released radar-tracking data from the Coast Guard locating the planes outside Cuban waters.
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The Miami Herald reported today that it had interviewed a fishing boat captain who said he was in international waters when debris from the first plane fell around his boat. In the air traffic transcript released today, the Cuban pilots speak of a vessel immediately under the shooting.
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On the transcript, in an exchange the Americans said suggests the Cubans knew the shooting would be illegal, the Cuban pilots consider holding their fire because they notice ships on the sea below. The Americans suggested that the reference indicated that the Cubans feared the incident might be witnessed by the vessels below.

MIG-29 to ground control: "We are going to give it a pass. We are going to give it a pass."

MIG-23 to MIG-29: "If we give it a pass, it will complicate things."

MIG-29 to MIG-23: "We are going to give it a pass. Because some vessels are approaching there, I am going to give it a pass."
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www.nytimes.com...

Doing business with a dictatorship that has murdered American residents and American citizens...

Saudi Arabia has killed 2996 American s and not only do you still trade with them but your in a military alliance....


Why not the same out rage with them? Why only Cuba?

a reply to: ElectricUniverse

Actually I'm one of the people who always laments us interfering militarily with countries that we don't like their government. So you got the wrong guy. I don't give a DAMN who we do business with.

originally posted by: ElectricUniverse
a reply to: jimmybob

A lot of members are not going to believe you. I am a Cuban-American, who was born in Cuba and know what life is like over there. I still have family in Cuba, including 2 sisters, a grandmother, aunts, uncles and cousins among other family members. We stay in contact with them. But in this website I have found many members who claim I am lying, that in Cuba it isn't that bad, etc, etc. And this people claim this because some "tourist friends" told them so... You are probably not going to be believed. On the other hand, I believe you.

And if you have family there then the ridiculous embargo is not helping them is it?


All it does is make life difficult for them. The Rich dictators wont be touched by it.

Cuba might be bad but sanctions are not making it any better. And quite frankly why is it the USA business?

a reply to: crazyewok

Exactly. Cuba isn't UNIQUE in the world with abusing its citizens. If I'm alright with us doing business with Saudia Arabia and China, I think I can tolerate Cuba.

originally posted by: Krazysh0t
a reply to: crazyewok

Exactly. Cuba isn't UNIQUE in the world with abusing its citizens. If I'm alright with us doing business with Saudia Arabia and China, I think I can tolerate Cuba.

By the way don't you think its odd that the Eu only supporters on this thread are two people who only joined yesterday and posted once

Almost like someone created fake accounts to support a unpopular opinion...

a reply to: crazyewok

It's almost like its a conspiracy!

I think the Administration/WH is introducing activity with Cuba for an attempt kick-start the USAs economic engine
(injecting a black-swan event or chaos into a defunct formula)

since the manipulated figures of trade-employment-payrolls by the BLS are all completely in fraudulent error and can no longer be used without being discovered soon... the playing field of business/economics/money flows & velocity needed a radical element of change introduced to continue the falsifications on the GDP

ergo Cuba is made nice-guy (for now)... the switch in policy has nothing to do with human rights or anything so equitable or eaglatarian...it is all about the false economy that says the USA is not in a great recession (NOT)
and continuing the great Lie


one does not need to be psychic or a seer...or even a highly prized Analyst to see the illusion act playing out ..
but I am available for hire as such

So now it's basically official. The US government is more socialist than it has been letting on. There's no way this would happen if our government still regarded communism as a threat. I think this is their way of telling us communism is coming. Or at least if it doesn't come in dressed as communism, it will simply be repackaged and softened a bit to make it more palatable for anyone who still has enough common sense to wonder WTF is going on here.

originally posted by: crazyewok

Saudi Arabia has killed 2996 American s and not only do you still trade with them but your in a military alliance....


Why not the same out rage with them? Why only Cuba?

wow, yeah talk about ignorance alright... Saudi Arabia is not exactly a good country, but blaming the murders committed by criminals from Saudi Arabia is NOT THE SAME THING AS HAVING THEIR AIRCRAFT FIGHTERS KNOWINGLY KILL AMERICANS...

originally posted by: crazyewok


And if you have family there then the ridiculous embargo is not helping them is it?


All it does is make life difficult for them. The Rich dictators wont be touched by it.

Cuba might be bad but sanctions are not making it any better. And quite frankly why is it the USA business?

That's just another example at the ignorance of so many people who continue to claim the embargo caused the problems to Cubans... Look at Venezuela, there had been no embargo to them. Yet with the socialist/communist programs implemented in Venezuela, just like in Cuba such as the rationing, people are now fighting in Venezuelan supermarkets for the last food items... Didn't you know that Chavez himself stated that Venezuelans should embrace the model of Cuba? It's because he implemented the same type of communist dictatorship in Venezuela as in Cuba.

Cuba's problems are because of socialism and communism. Castro claimed he was going to implement socialism, just like Chavez said, but used the socialists to then implement communism... Even Karl Marx explained that socialism was but a stage to reach communism...

Socialism and communism in their true form implement RATIONING which is what causes people to go hungry...

originally posted by: crazyewok

By the way don't you think its odd that the Eu only supporters on this thread are two people who only joined yesterday and posted once

Almost like someone created fake accounts to support a unpopular opinion...

I don't appreciate that idiotic claim. There are well over 2 million Cubans outside of Cuba and most are in the U.S.

The other Cuban-American member is in Tampa, i am in the Miami area, and certainly i didn't create two false accounts... The BS some socialists come up with is just hilarious.

a reply to: ElectricUniverse
I'm socistist cause I disagree with you? Cause I think the U.S. should mind it's own business?

The two dimensional crap you Americans come out with sometimes.

originally posted by: Krazysh0t

The new era began with little fanfare when an agreement between the two nations to resume normal ties on July 20 came into force just after midnight Sunday and the diplomatic missions of each country were upgraded from interests sections to embassies. When clocks struck 12:00 in Washington and Havana, they tolled a knell for policy approaches spawned and hardened over the five decades since President John F. Kennedy first tangled with youthful revolutionary Fidel Castro over Soviet expansion in the Americas.

U.S., Cuba Restore Full Diplomatic Ties After 5 Decades

Well it looks like as this work week starts, we have just normalized relations with Cuba. It's about time. I'm glad that we can finally go back to Cuba.

Yeah its pretty stupid to Punish people just because some idiots take over a country. Never worked, ever. Had we been visiting there for the last 5 decades they probably would Capitalist by now.

a reply to: BrianFlanders

Being nice to communist countries is evidence to you of our country being socialist? You do know those two political ideologies aren't exactly the same right?

a reply to: ElectricUniverse

Cuba doesn't have crap on China regarding human rights violations and we've been doing business with China for awhile now. If you aren't complaining about that, then you are just being hypocritical.

originally posted by: crazyewok
a reply to: ElectricUniverse
I'm socistist cause I disagree with you? Cause I think the U.S. should mind it's own business?

The two dimensional crap you Americans come out with sometimes.

As i remember from past discussions with you, you have stated to be socialist...

originally posted by: Krazysh0t
a reply to: ElectricUniverse

Cuba doesn't have crap on China regarding human rights violations and we've been doing business with China for awhile now. If you aren't complaining about that, then you are just being hypocritical.

First of all, it is not a race of who is the worst in human rights violation...and this thread is not about China...

Second of all, you have no idea on the situation of human rights violations in Cuba... i have seen you, among some other members dismiss any evidence that disproves your foreigner views about Cuba.

In Cuba people can't choose in what school to put their children. The only private schools, and the best schools are for the children of the communist elites, or foreigners. Same for the best hospitals.

If a parent wants to teach their children, homeschooling, the children would be taken away by the government because the parents are stopping the children from becoming "good communists".

Every summer, children starting at about 12 years old are taken by the state to labor summer camps. Parent's can't say no to this. If the parents try to stop the state from taking the children the state take possession of all the children in the household.

Most of what these children do is harvest tobacco, or food, among some other products. Food which these children can't eat. They are only allowed to eat meager rations. They sleep in buildings which are half tent, half cardboard, or thin wood planks. There are no AC, no fans, and the situation in these labor camps are the worst you can imagine.

BTW, Cuban farmers have to give most of their crops/products to the state FREE. It's about 75%-80% which goes to the state, and the state SELLS, or sends most of these food items and other products to other countries. Mostly as PROPAGANDA making people outside of Cuba believe that "things are great in Cuba", when in fact the Cuban people have always had a hard time finding food, or medicine, and the last few years it has gotten even worse.

Cubans with mental illness who have no family taking care of them are put in government facilities like this one...

WARNING THE VIDEO SHOWS WHAT HAPPENED TO MENTALLY ILL CUBANS WHO DIED FROM STARVATION AND HYPOTHERMIA!


That is a normal occurrence in Cuba. Youtube is full of videos that were smuggled out of Cuba. Of course, most are in Spanish.

Here is what a few other Cubans responded to an American woman about the situation in Cuba since the castros took over...



Anyway, again, you really have no idea how bad the situation is there. I know because our family there tells us how hard it is to find food, and medicine, or even other regular items such as toiletries. I also know because i lived there as a CUBAN, and experienced life in Cuba.

There are still Cubans that are imprisoned for simply being poets, or writers, or any other type of political dissident, just for voicing their opinions about freedom.

originally posted by: ElectricUniverse

originally posted by: crazyewok
a reply to: ElectricUniverse
I'm socistist cause I disagree with you? Cause I think the U.S. should mind it's own business?

The two dimensional crap you Americans come out with sometimes.

As i remember from past discussions with you, you have stated to be socialist...

No I havent .

Please link?

I consider my self free thinking and independent.