if Allah is god of "mercy" ....

if Allah is god of "mercy", why does it encourage ISNL shariah butchers to cut heads off 8 year old children ?

(moslems only to answer please) NL = "New Levant".

a reply to: MasterKaman

Because allah is a deception. He is a territorial entity that has fooled billions.

Look at the fruits.

Flame away, it doesn't matter anymore.......

Man have defiled the true teachings of Yahweh, God, Allah (any other name for the one true god)

What I suggest you seek not the words in the text directly but meditate on the connection to the deity. Anyone can know scripture, but to understand why it is written the way it is you have to know the god it was intended to image.

a reply to: MasterKaman

Wow you post this garbage without a link .
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originally posted by: AlongCamePaul
Man have defiled the true teachings of Yahweh, God, Allah (any other name for the one true god)

What I suggest you seek not the words in the text directly but meditate on the connection to the deity. Anyone can know scripture, but to understand why it is written the way it is you have to know the god it was intended to image.

The word of Allah cannot be abrogated.

It is verbatim.

So if a man acts on the qur'an verbatim, and in the process commits a crime, he has committed NO crime. Your man made law was are wrong.

Learn to internet ffs.

It seems to me the OP is just trying to get a reaction with out discussion and as such this thread has no place here at ATS

Learn to internet ffs.

I have not been able to internets correctly for quite some time now unfortunately. The dameons running in my background forbid it.

Allah is the same God the Christians and Jews worship Muslims just use a different name. These people in groups like ISIS are not Muslims just like people that want to deny food shelter and healthcare for the poor are not Christian. Just because a person calls themselves something doesn't mean they are part of that group.

If Allah is the God of Mercy then he should have thought about those men who wouldn't know what to do with 76 virgins when they die.

originally posted by: buster2010
Allah is the same God the Christians and Jews worship Muslims just use a different name. These people in groups like ISIS are not Muslims just like people that want to deny food shelter and healthcare for the poor are not Christian. Just because a person calls themselves something doesn't mean they are part of that group.

No.

Allah and YHWH are not the same. Not at all.

Promoting that bullcrap is just wrong. It would be like comparing / saying that the huffington post and the drudge report are the same.

oncedelivered.net...
www.answering-islam.org...
www.truth-that-matters.com...

Jesus vs. Isa

oncedelivered.net...

originally posted by: infolurker

originally posted by: buster2010
Allah is the same God the Christians and Jews worship Muslims just use a different name. These people in groups like ISIS are not Muslims just like people that want to deny food shelter and healthcare for the poor are not Christian. Just because a person calls themselves something doesn't mean they are part of that group.

No.

Allah and YHWH are not the same. Not at all.

Promoting that bullcrap is just wrong. It would be like comparing / saying that the huffington post and the drudge report are the same.

oncedelivered.net...
www.answering-islam.org...
www.truth-that-matters.com...

Jesus vs. Isa

oncedelivered.net...

Sorry but using Islamophobe sites to try and back up your statement is a joke.

originally posted by: buster2010

originally posted by: infolurker

originally posted by: buster2010
Allah is the same God the Christians and Jews worship Muslims just use a different name. These people in groups like ISIS are not Muslims just like people that want to deny food shelter and healthcare for the poor are not Christian. Just because a person calls themselves something doesn't mean they are part of that group.

No.

Allah and YHWH are not the same. Not at all.

Promoting that bullcrap is just wrong. It would be like comparing / saying that the huffington post and the drudge report are the same.

oncedelivered.net...
www.answering-islam.org...
www.truth-that-matters.com...

Jesus vs. Isa

oncedelivered.net...

Sorry but using Islamophobe sites to try and back up your statement is a joke.

Is there a single comparison listed not true? Wait, you know what, Let me edit and remove the site you don't like, now look at the data and make an informed decision.

a reply to: buster2010

Fine, use this one only. Might help if you actually read it.

oncedelivered.net...

oncedelivered.net...


Instructions: Actually read it instead of playing the wise monkey game.. LOL

originally posted by: infolurker

originally posted by: buster2010
Allah is the same God the Christians and Jews worship Muslims just use a different name. These people in groups like ISIS are not Muslims just like people that want to deny food shelter and healthcare for the poor are not Christian. Just because a person calls themselves something doesn't mean they are part of that group.

No.

Allah and YHWH are not the same. Not at all.

Here are some statements that might be said by monotheists:
There is only 1 God
Abraham advocated the worship of the one and only God.
For belief systems that venerate Abraham as a prophet, we can if we wish, call this "the God of Abraham".
Judaism, Christianity and Islam are monotheistic religions (in general)
Judaism, Christianity and Islam worship the God of Abraham.

Or another way to look at it:
Abraham believed in One God.
Abraham preached One God.
Abraham's followers believe in One God.
Jesus preached a religion that was a continuation of Abraham's beliefs
Jesus preached One God.
Jesus's followers believe in One God.
Muhammad preached a religion that was a continuation of Abraham and Jesus's beliefs
Muhammad preached One God.
Muhammad's followers believe in One God.

Now I understand that you, as a Christian(?) do not accept the religion of Islam, and feel troubled by anything that gives it validity, and not comfortable with the idea that this other group of people with a differing belief system are trying to "occupy" what you consider the concept of "YOUR" God, but the fact is that if you wish to deny that there is only one God that the muslims also worship, you'd be forced into introspection and realise that the same could be said (with similar links to subjective comparisons of the belief system) of Christians and Jews. Do Jews and Christians worship the same God? Many Jews would very strongly deny that they do.

a reply to: babloyi

The differences are overwhelming. Like I told the other guy, read the damned links before making uneducated statements. The entire foundations are completely different.

Feel free to attempt to debunk any of the differences.

a reply to: infolurker
But the differences between the current Jewish and current christian concept of the Deity are overwhelming also. In fact, I'd say the differences are even worse. A jewish person confronted with a christian making the same claim ("Jews and Christians worship the same God"), would use the same (perhaps even stronger) language as you are now in their attempts to deny it.

Do you (again, I'm assuming you are Christian) worship the "God of Abraham", the same God, the one and only God, etc. etc. that the Jews worship?

The claim is not uneducated.
I'm going to go out on a limb and assume your answer to the previous question would be "Yes, I do". You'd point to your scripture where it validates your answer.
You ask the same question to a muslim. They would also answer "Yes, I do". They'd point to their scripture where it validates their answer.

You seem very focused on your links with their differences, but I'm sorry to say, they're quite irrelevant, regardless of being incredibly subjective and cherry-picked.
As part of their faith, Muslims believe that there is only one God, and that God is the one that was preached by Muhammad and Jesus and Abraham and all the prophets. You cannot deny that this is part of their faith.

As part of YOUR faith, Christians (such as yourself) also believe there is only one God (well, it is complicated, I suppose), and that God is the one that was preached by Abraham and all the prophets (and by Jesus, or IS Jesus, etc. depending on how a particular Christian view those beliefs). Jews cannot deny that this is part of the Christian faith.

If your argument is "Muslims can't be worshiping the same god as Christians, because there are these differences in my understanding of their descriptors", then you have to understand that the exact same argument would be applied to the Christian and Jewish concepts of God.

If you accept that you do not worship the same God as the God of Abraham (and the jews), then yes, Muslims would have to agree that they do not worship the same God as you. For example, there are some, even on this forum here, who self-identify as Christian, who say that the Hebrew scriptures were largely a fabrication, or the deity represented in the Hebrew Scriptures is a false God, etc.

Even if (or especially if) one were to look at it from an outside perspective- the point of view of someone who is not a follower of the Abrahamic religions, the God is the same (although they might consider Christianity the odd one out, what with the trinity).

a reply to: babloyi

If you are talking about Rabbinic Judaism and the Talmud you would be correct. Simply because the Talmud and Koran are very similar.

Karaite Judaism believes in the Father and the Law but differs on the Messiah and rejects the Talmud of the Pharisees.

www.heartofisrael.net...

www.rense.com...

a reply to: infolurker

originally posted by: infolurker
If you are talking about Rabbinic Judaism and the Talmud you would be correct.

...What?
What?
So you're saying you don't believe in the God of Abraham because "Rabbanic Judaism"?
..okay.

originally posted by: babloyi
a reply to: infolurker

originally posted by: infolurker
If you are talking about Rabbinic Judaism and the Talmud you would be correct.

...What?
What?
So you're saying you don't believe in the God of Abraham because "Rabbanic Judaism"?
..okay.

I am wasting my time.

Nothing you really want to know and you love "assuming". Well, I assume that you are either incapable of understanding or just trolling.

Goodbye.

a reply to: babloyi

Reread post #2 please...

Please don't misconstrue what I am about to say, but don't ignore the possibility that you may have been horribly deceived.

FACT: Allah was a pagan name for a peculiar pagan Arabian deity in pre-Islamic times...

Islam is paganism in monotheistic wrapping paper.

This is a perfect example of WHY studying Religion in search of truth is such a dilemma.

Religion MUST lie in order to keep the real agenda hidden.

I believe the real purpose behind false religion is to keep you from knowing God and keep you blinded and brainwashed as to what God is really like.

if you want to understand what is really going on behind the façade, you MUST look at the "Big picture".

This goes FAR deeper than Islam, or any other religion.

The word to ascend used in Isaiah 14 when Lucifer says “I will ascend into heaven…I will be like the most High”, is in Hebrew “Allah” Strong’s #5927. Allah translates “to ascend.” Allah is the “fallen one” who wants to ascend into heaven. Allah is another title for Satan, the fallen one. The correct pronunciation of “elohim” is “allah-hay’m.” Allah means gods, powers, or angels. In this sense, fallen angels.

Makes sense why the Muslims who worship him behead infidels instead of loving their enemies as Christ taught. Islam is to Persian mythology (astrology) what Catholicism is to Babylonian paganism. That’s why the Islamic symbol is the star and the moon. Both occult idols. One for the “goddess” Diana and the other for the “god” Lucifer, the male and female occult deities. The Muslims worship an idol in the shape of a female vagina (fertility symbol) in the form of the Kabba Stone in Mecca. Islam is idolatrous and pagan.

Interestingly, not many Muslims want to accept that Allah was already being worshiped at the Ka’ba in Mecca by Arab pagans before Muhammad came. Some Muslims become angry when they are confronted with this fact. But history is not on their side. Pre-Islamic literature has proved this.” (Who Is This Allah?, G. J. O. Moshay, 1994, p 138)

“But history establishes beyond the shadow of doubt that even the pagan Arabs, before Muhammad’s time, knew their chief god by the name of Allah and even, in a sense, proclaimed his unity…Among the pagan Arabs this term denoted the chief god of their pantheon, the Kaaba, with its three hundred and sixty idols.” (The Moslem Doctrine of God, Samuel M. Zwemer 1905, p 24-25)

In fact, he did not at first intend to establish a new religion, but rather to reform the belief in Allah which already existed, and to show what this belief truly signified and rightfully demanded. (Mohammed: The man and his faith, Tor Andrae, 1936, Translated by Theophil Menzel, 1960, p13-30)

There is absolutely no question that Allah was worshipped by the pagan Arabs as one of many polytheistic gods. Allah was worshipped in the Kabah at Mecca before Muhammad was born. Muhammad merely proclaimed a god the Meccans were already familiar with. The pagan Arabs never accused Muhammad of preaching a different Allah than the one they already worshiped.

The pagan origin of the word "Allah"

The Quran Confesses Allah Was a Pagan God before Islam