Obama pushes to extend gun background checks to Social Security

originally posted by: mOjOm
a reply to: beezzer

Interesting.

What about a limit as to what type of firearm purchased??

Do you have a limit at a ground to air rocket launcher or maybe a rail gun or something or sky is the limit there too???

Didn't know Walmart sold those.

Caveat Emptor!

originally posted by: mOjOm
a reply to: beezzer

Interesting.

What about a limit as to what type of firearm purchased??

Do you have a limit at a ground to air rocket launcher or maybe a rail gun or something or sky is the limit there too???

Is a rocket launcher or rail gun a firearm.......This argument is weak and played out already. This protection was put in place for a very good reason. If you want real change push for the constitution to change instead of trying to backdoor your ideology.

originally posted by: Irishhaf
I have yet to see anyone explain the correlation between not being able to balance a checkbook = a threat to people.

If you can't carry the 7, your rights should be eliminated.

originally posted by: Irishhaf
I have yet to see anyone explain the correlation between not being able to balance a checkbook = a threat to people.

It's a ludicrous link... Anyone that supports it need to see a professional.

Also think about the vets this could have an affect on....guys and gals that risked everything for their country come home to... Uh oh... Your depressed... Say good bye to the 2a.

Heck article I saw said this move has the nra,Ada, and apa, joining together to fight it.

That should tell you which side is right.

This whole thing proves how pathetic the cause really is. The real goal is limiting people with mental issues from owning a firearm. If they had come out with that first the blow back would be epic so they are trying to weasel and manipulate the public into something they can digest first.


The end goal is a firearm ban in 20-30 years I believe.

a reply to: beezzer

I didn't ask what walmart sold. Is walmart where you buy most of your guns anyway???

Why so defensive, I'm just asking a question??? I'm curious to see where if at all you draw a line with this topic that's all. Does that mean I might use it against you in some logical argument later, maybe, but you know me well enough to expect that already.

I'm not saying you're wrong for you choice in letting everyone buy any firearm they want. I'm just curious as where you finally draw the line.

a reply to: SubTruth

Oh I'm a vet with PTSD so I am a PRIMARY target...

a reply to: seeker1963

Where will it go from there Buster?

How about answering the question? Do you think it's a good idea for mentally disabled people to be able to get guns?

Meanwhile Obama sits upon his PEN refusing to arm our military personnel so they can protect themselves from Islamic Extremists?

This may come as shock to you but military personnel haven't been allowed to carry weapons on base for decades. Security on base should just get better training.

a reply to: mOjOm

Why do you want it to be a privilege instead of a right?

a reply to: SubTruth

I'm sorry, am I not allowed to ask a question??? **SNIP** MOD NOTE: Removed Unnecessary Foul Language

ATS Terms and Conditions

Relax, I am asking questions, not passing judgement on anyone.

I'm trying to establish if any of you have limits at all because even the people selling guns don't just sell to anyone. Is it a problem for me to ask questions now too???

originally posted by: mOjOm
a reply to: beezzer

I didn't ask what walmart sold. Is walmart where you buy most of your guns anyway???

Why so defensive, I'm just asking a question??? I'm curious to see where if at all you draw a line with this topic that's all. Does that mean I might use it against you in some logical argument later, maybe, but you know me well enough to expect that already.

I'm not saying you're wrong for you choice in letting everyone buy any firearm they want. I'm just curious as where you finally draw the line.

Where do you draw the line......What about people taking ADD and ADHD drugs......What about depression or anxiety disorders. What about people who drink alcohol.....Alcohol impairs the mind.


Also who draws it......If you say doctors ask yourself is doctors make mistakes or have agendas. If you say the government ask yourself if you trust the government in other areas.

a reply to: buster2010

I think they and their families should decide themselves, not have the fed up in more of our lives. I mean as it stands how often do you see old senile men going on shooting sprees? The right to bear arms which shall not be infringed is being stomped on little by little.

a reply to: FyreByrd

"Shall not be infringed" so all 'arms' and all 'people' - Right? That's what it means literally.

Actually it says a well regulated Militia.

originally posted by: mOjOm
a reply to: SubTruth

I'm sorry, am I not allowed to ask a question??? Don't tell me you want to regulate my f*cking speech now.

Relax, I am asking questions, not passing judgement on anyone.

I'm trying to establish if any of you have limits at all because even the people selling guns don't just sell to anyone. Is it a problem for me to ask questions now too???

Fair enough I am sorry for jumping on ya......I have seen this argument before and it bothers me. I am sorry for coming off like a jerk about it.......


Your right we should look at and argue all the angles.....I really am sorry about being so darn harsh.

originally posted by: buster2010
a reply to: seeker1963

Where will it go from there Buster?

How about answering the question? Do you think it's a good idea for mentally disabled people to be able to get guns?

Meanwhile Obama sits upon his PEN refusing to arm our military personnel so they can protect themselves from Islamic Extremists?

This may come as shock to you but military personnel haven't been allowed to carry weapons on base for decades. Security on base should just get better training.

What describes a mentally disabled person?

Is someone taking Zoloft considered mentally disabled? Is a college professor who promotes Progressive ideologies mentally disabled?

Who decides?

originally posted by: beezzer
a reply to: mOjOm

Why do you want it to be a privilege instead of a right?

Well, I could go into how "rights" are really just "privileges" anyway and are only separate by definition. The reality is that people and gov. and institutions take away "rights" all the time. Sometime illegally and sometimes legally. Sometimes they get in trouble and sometimes they don't. So the reality is one of subjective reality.

But that isn't the point either.

I'm not saying it should be a right or a privilege exactly. I'm just asking questions. I've already stated how I feel. I like guns. I don't have a problem having guns around. However, I've also been in situations in public settings where some fool has a gun and acts stupid with it and know a few people who've been shot on accident by someone else and even themselves. I've known people who've used a gun in crime too. I know lot's of people for and against guns. I just find it an interesting topic and very complex as far as regulation goes.

a reply to: beezzer

Article 5, section 3;

The right to bearith thy long arm can be revoked upon order of the high court is doth not regurgitate the circumference of ones hecta acre of corn with the volume of grain on the free mans market using thine conventinal scaling.

Wait, I mean no.

originally posted by: SubTruth

Where do you draw the line......What about people taking ADD and ADHD drugs......What about depression or anxiety disorders. What about people who drink alcohol.....Alcohol impairs the mind.


Also who draws it......If you say doctors ask yourself is doctors make mistakes or have agendas. If you say the government ask yourself if you trust the government in other areas.

Alcohol is a good line to start drawing at. More than once I've experienced guns being pulled when I worked at a bar. For some pretty dumb reasons too. Now, should they lose their right to a gun. Maybe, maybe not. They didn't shoot anyone that time so it was ok. I once even had the manager tell me she was going to shoot me. This was after her boyfriend came to my house scared because she was shooting at him moments before and wanted me to go talk her down. That was all from drinking too. Sober, she treated me like her son. But drunk, not so much.

originally posted by: cavtrooper7
a reply to: SubTruth

Oh I'm a vet with PTSD so I am a PRIMARY target...

Eventually you will be if we continue down this path I fear. They want to limit the liberties we are born with and that are protected under the law. It is not just gun rights they will come after free speech and free flow of this speech on the internet in the near future I believe. Privacy rights are also having huge issues and people are getting used to the idea we have no privacy. The use of the military on US soil is another right under pressure.

a reply to: mOjOm

All I'm doing is asking questions also.

I'm all about freedom, personally. Now my idea of freedom is obviously different than others.

Some trust government and controlling central authorities. Some don't feel that government can be too intrusive and controlling.

We're heading that way.

I guess I'll be one of the ones fighting government.

What side do you think you'll be on?

a reply to: SubTruth

Thank you, I appreciate that. I really am just asking questions.

I know this is a touchy subject for some and I know I'm considered one of those Leftist, Progressive Evil Gun Grabbers around here, even though I'd disagree with that label, but I really am just trying to see where everyone views this subject. Who has limits and who doesn't and why.

Thank you though!!