The conspiracy about conspiracies

First this:
Pluto, stupid, conspiracy, crazy.

Turning of the tide...there was a time I was sort of proud for...let's say..."being in on" the various conspiracies that were, and are still floating around the net.

Recently, yesterday to be more precise...I started to feel weird. Upon news of new pics from Pluto...and being privy to idiocy that started pouring in from various corners...here are some...

Forgive the inaccurate translation, I got this from my local news portal...so I'm doing the translation on the fly...

""Pluton? Samo se vi zabavljajte s ovom lažnom CGI fotkom. Ovo je najveća laž u povijesti!!! Probudite se!", "naivni ste", "šteta što su sve NASA-ine misije podvala" i "ne vjerujte hologramima"


Pluto ? Feel free to entertain yourselves with fake CGI photo. The biggest lie in history!!!! Wake up!!!!, "You are being naive", " too bad all NASA missions are fakes" and "don't trust the holograms".

Then...there is this gem:

"Osnove. Bilo koje nebesko tijelo koje ne možete sa Zemlje vidjeti teleskopom je lažno. Samo ova činjenica dokazuje da je Pluton izum iluminata. Iluminati su koristili NASA-u i sovjetsku svemirsku agenciju kako bi serijski proizvodili podvale kao što je ova s Plutonom"


Basics. Any celestial body that can't bee seen with an earth based telescope is fake. This fact alone proves that Pluto is an Illuminati invention. Illuminati have been using NASA and Soviet space agency in order to produce serial hoaxes, like the one with Pluto.

Apparently these all tweeter comments.


The most ludicrous thing that came out of all this...is that...these people are called...well...you know it....conspiracy theorists. Now I would rather call them idiots and it bothers me...the mainstream seems is winning. They have used the far out lunatics (of which ATS is not short off) and painted with a broad brush...and put many in the same category as these nuts. The conspiracy theory is slowly starting to be a dirty word...if spoken out loud...you start to twitch nervously...trying to see if someone had heard you.

This is hurting all the legit conspiracies out there...these lunatics will be the death of truth searchers.

I'm almost tempted to switch to debunking side...because these wackos need to be stopped.

One of the most saddening and damning things about all this is...the flat earthers are apparently now considered conspiracy theorists...makes me incredibly sad. It's all in the same pot...a conglomerate of conspiracies, mixed to a point where one cant tell the difference anymore. If one sounds crazy...the entire pot is crazy.

I'm not inspired to write today...I just got fed up with all the nonsense.

Your comments are appreciated.

a reply to: MarioOnTheFly

I authored a rant awhile back of a very similar nature. In that rant I suggested that we needed to take back CT from the crazies, and start doing so by loudly pointing at and calling out lunacy. It's actually quite a cathartic exercise, you should try it.

a reply to: burdman30ott6

needed to take back CT from the crazies

that sounds...vaguely familiar. I may have red it.

I agree with this...wholeheartedly. I just hit me yesterday after reading those tweeter comments. My god. What is going on here...

a reply to: burdman30ott6

we need to take back CT from the crazies

And to whom will you give it?

I anticipate fun.

I agree. Conspiracies are invented by the uninformed, paranoid and mistrusting.

JFK got me into the whole conspiracy saga. Once I found out what really happened (as was suggested but largely ignored in the 70s) I thought I'd drop the whole idea of widespread governmental secrecy – although it proved to be true in a totally different way to what was thought. Then I thought I'd have a rational, scientific and mathematical look at alien visitation. This also is certainly false, and I say that with a bit of regret. Chemtrails, the New World Order and the spirit world followed close behind. All of the big conspiracies and unexplained didn't exist, except in the minds of the need-to-believers.

All that said, I still love reading about it.

a reply to: 321Go

I dont want to go into it right now...but...

Once I found out what really happened

So what really happened? I was under the impression that circumstance of the entire case are still not clear. Maybe you know something I dont.

All of the big conspiracies and unexplained didn't exist, except in the minds of the need-to-believers.

I disagree. But let's leave at that...

originally posted by: Astyanax
a reply to: burdman30ott6

we need to take back CT from the crazies

And to whom will you give it?

I anticipate fun.

well...as much as you disagree...I feel there are many reasonable, intelligent people that entertain possibilities of conspiracies. Certainly history has shown...that some conspiracies do indeed happen. Can we simply disregard that historic fact and call them all crazy ?

a reply to: MarioOnTheFly

Wait a minute.

First you ask

what really happened?

Then you say

let's leave at that.

Sounds as if you don't really want the truth if the truth is that all conspiracy theories are false.

And yes, all conspiracy theories (without exception) are false. Before anyone contests this, I urge them to read the thread I started with that title, and some of my other posts about it on ATS.

a reply to: MarioOnTheFly

I feel there are many reasonable, intelligent people that entertain possibilities of conspiracies.

That is very different from being a conspiracy theorist. But, as I say, read my earlier threads so that we don't have to go over the same old ground again.

a reply to: Astyanax

That is very different from being a conspiracy theorist

Can you please explain what you view as being a difference. I may have simplisticly adopted the term without fully understanding it's meaning. I always thought that when one says that he believes there might be something to a certain conspiracy...than that person can be designated as a conspiracy theorist.

Or if you have a link to your thread where you explain the difference...I'll appreciate it.

And yes, all conspiracy theories (without exception) are false. Before anyone contests this, I urge them to read the thread I started with that title, and some of my other posts about it on ATS.

well...without looking at your threads...which I assume are ample...it must mean that we obviously have different understanding of the term "conspiracy theory".

I have the feeling lately that the internet is swamped deliberately with really, really inane CTs. First I thought it's idiots, but then my CT brain started clicking in and I thought "what if it's deliberate, in order to dilute actually true information?"

The more outlandish those posts are, the more people will brush all CTs with the same 'moron tinfoil hat' label. So if there are unsavoury truths coming out, nobody will believe them.

I have noticed a couple of weeks ago, there was a 'strange' surge of 'flat earthers' posting on various conspiracy sites, all at around the same time.
Now its Pluto, which was to be expected.

On the other hand, every niche group will eventually attract the crack pots. All religions have to put up with them, they will come and completely destroy anything that was ever good about something.

I don't know why and I don't know if anything can be done, but I know that being vigilant towards media, governments and other bodies of influence is a healthy stance and should not be given up because of a mad few.

All we have to do is make sure that all our findings are always backed up with something tangible and we stay intelligent and logic in our arguments. Do not give up on conspiracies, as they have always existed and are happening right now.

a reply to: Hecate666

you said it so much better than me. Couldn't agree more on what you stated.

The more outlandish those posts are, the more people will brush all CTs with the same 'moron tinfoil hat' label. So if there are unsavoury truths coming out, nobody will believe them.

exactly...now...I never fully commit to these conspiracies...but I have on few occasions argued for them...because some of them make perfect sense in this disturbed world we live in.

a reply to: MarioOnTheFly

Try not and fall into the terminology trap of the main stream.

Associating words to imply meaning. Like gun and crime, linking conspiracy and theory would have us believe guns are criminal and conspiracies only theories.

Most know the wool is being pulled over their eyes, every time we tune in the mainstream spin cycle. Despite the insurgency of spin cycle on ATS the search here is for the truth behind the scenes. Its here, if you dig a little.

Now I would rather call them idiots and it bothers me...the mainstream seems is winning. They have used the far out lunatics (of which ATS is not short off) and painted with a broad brush…and put many in the same category as these nuts.

The 'nuts' are at the helm in Washington, hi finance, the military industrial complex and the complicit media. Lets not argue their definition of the search for truth.

a reply to: intrptr

Most know the wool is being pulled over their eyes, every time we tune in the mainstream spin cycle. Despite the insurgency of spin cycle on ATS the search here is for the truth behind the scenes. Its here, if you dig a little.

I don't know man. Sometimes it seems...it's not about the truth anymore. On either camp. It's about preserving the status quo on one hand, and disrupting it on the other. Truth gets lost somewhere in between.

If discovering the truth means you have to eat some dog poo for it...then either camp will not go for it. Preserving one's own twisted worldview is much more important than going for the truth.

a reply to: MarioOnTheFly

Preserving one's own twisted worldview is much more important than going for the truth.

The truth is there man. You know it when you see it, it gives you that aha moment. Aha moments or "eurekas" like an exclamation upon finding the gold nugget in the stream.

If you're not sure then don't trip. Wait for the aha moments.

a reply to: intrptr

The truth is there man. You know it when you see it, it gives you that aha moment. Aha moments or "eurekas" like an exclamation upon finding the gold nugget in the stream.

Though I agree with you on this point...I have come to understand...that aha moment does not necessarily mean that you stumbled upon the truth. It can be deceiving.

For instance...to me...there are many Aha moments in the 9/11 conspiracy or JFK...yet...after coming here for many years...I came to understand...that not everyone sees it like I do...they interpret differently, connect differently. It's like we have different eyes. I would be a fool to automatically conclude...I'm right and they are wrong. My aha moment may be a deception...colored by my preconceptions, my education, and my cranial capacity to understand.

If we really want to get to the truth...I must not let my biased Aha moment to prevail simply because I "feel it". It's a struggle withing a struggle for me.

So how do we define Aha moment ? what is it ? an evidence ? a feeling ?

originally posted by: intrptr
a reply to: MarioOnTheFly

Preserving one's own twisted worldview is much more important than going for the truth.

The truth is there man. You know it when you see it, it gives you that aha moment. Aha moments or "eurekas" like an exclamation upon finding the gold nugget in the stream.

If you're not sure then don't trip. Wait for the aha moments.

Not necessarily, the Aha moments often mean you don't fully understand. Like my teenager "aha" moment when the moon conspiracies pointed out the size of the moon wrt eclipses and the same side always facing us. The "aha" was due to my lack of knowledge of astrophysics at the time. Now I know otherwise and these "facts that prove a conspiracy" are merely ignorance of the physical world.

There are still people who think that tidal locking is a conspiracy by NASA !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

The problem with seperating the dross from the possible is nigh on impossible nowadays due to the phenomenal level of ignorance of even the basics of physics, maths, engineering, statistics and medicine (especially stats). One of those will often highlight the lunacy of "a new conspiracy". But when the believers state "science is a conspiracy" and ignore simple simple high street bookie odds of occurance then you have to slap your forehead, roll your eyes and give up.

a reply to: MarioOnTheFly

My aha moment may be a deception…colored by my preconceptions, my education, and my cranial capacity to understand.

Not when that gold nugget glistens, there is no mistaking it. I'd like to see you say that when looking at it at your feet or in the pan.

Unmistakable.

Butt you go right ahead and delude yourself. Excuse me while I grab that for you.

a reply to: yorkshirelad

then you have to slap your forehead, roll your eyes and give up.

So you can tell the difference.

If I'm confused about ti, I just move to a different part of the stream and begin panning there.

a reply to: intrptr

Not when that gold nugget glistens, there is no mistaking it. I'd like to see you say that when looking at it at your feet or in the pan.

Unmistakable.

Maybe you can give me an example of your Aha moment...concerning some of the conspiracies. I'm not saying there are no such moments...I'm simply saying...one can never be too sure about it. None of us can truly be objective in such matters.