Chemtrails in Pasco, WA.

originally posted by: reldra
a reply to: NewWorldDisorder
Those are chemtrails. When there is a lot of chemtrail activity, you can see an entire blue sky eventually be covered by criss criossing chemtrails. I have seen planes, nowhere near an airport go back and forth doing this for hours at a time.
Tell me that's normal.

Sounds perfectly normal. If you really were that concerned or belived that its chemtrails, you would investigate further. But you dont, you just come on ATS like the mindless chemtrail drones and shout at the sky. Silly.

To all the "thats just contrails" crowd, I said its not backlit by the sun. Then you can see the stuff descending, no longer condensed with water vapor, just particulates. It has a yellowish tinge to it, definitely smog, not water vapor or water ice, like higher up.

originally posted by: soulpowertothendegree
a reply to: reldra

You know I am certain they are chemtrails too. It is hysterical how so many just spout the same bs over and over.

You mean like posting thousands of images of contrails and screaming "chemtrauil!"

originally posted by: hellobruce

originally posted by: reldra
I have seen 2 or 3 planes doing this over about 10 mi sq for hours. The SAME planes going back and forth.

So what type of planes, and what were their callsigns, altitude and speed? You did check, didn't you?

Apparently not, as I've asked basically the same thing twice now, and they've ignored it both times. Can't blame them, though, because admitting that they didn't bother to find out that information would discredit the assertion that it was the same planes.

originally posted by: intrptr

originally posted by: mrthumpy

originally posted by: intrptr

originally posted by: admirethedistance

originally posted by: intrptr
I don't need anyone to tell me how much pollution jet exhaust generates. I can see it…

...But nobody else can. Funny that. You never answered my question about tail numbers either.

Everyone here can see the jet exhaust on the coast. It is thickest later in the day when the sun begins to set and back lights the bank of smog descending, coming ashore.

You mean that bit low to the horizon where you're looking through miles and miles of thicker and dustier atmosphere as opposed to the thin bit above you?

No. Just like I described. The jet thoroughfare is off shore, only smog out in the Pacific is caused by them. Heres one view from the tube, I wish it were looking west instead of east and through the smaze, backlit by the sun. That way you can see the sun filtering directly through it.

Instead it sees from the western rim, looking (south)east.

Exactly as I described then. Do you really think that the atmosphere is completely clean other than pollution from air travel? Don't you think there's any dust or pollen in the air? Do you think that it's impossible dust to travel more than a couple of miles?

Read the next post I made, just for you. ^^^

originally posted by: intrptr
Read the next post I made, just for you. ^^^

Read my original reply. Did I mention ANYTHING about contrails?

a reply to: intrptr

you seem intelligent elsewhere, so I'll try to ask this in a way I am sure you will understand.

What does your concerns about pollution have to do with the white puffy lines that form above 25000 feet behind planes?

I would really, really appreciate a response from you on this. A real response. Not a "see my other posts" because you have not answered that question in ANY of your other posts.

a reply to: network dude

What does your concerns about pollution have to do with the white puffy lines that form above 25000 feet behind planes?

I address the propaganda of chemtrails, not the 'white puffy lines' you keep trying to corner me into.

'Chem' trails redesigned keep our eyes on the stratosphere far over head, like global warming keeps our attention on some distant future.

Anywhere but here and now. Done with this. See it or not.

originally posted by: intrptr
a reply to: network dude

What does your concerns about pollution have to do with the white puffy lines that form above 25000 feet behind planes?

I address the propaganda of chemtrails, not the 'white puffy lines' you keep trying to corner me into.

'Chem' trails redesigned keep our eyes on the stratosphere far over head, like global warming keeps our attention on some distant future.

Anywhere but here and now. Done with this. See it or not.

Done with this. Hm, OK.

So while we both agree contrails are not chemtrails, and planes make pollution just like other internal combustion engines do, the chemtrail fantasy is in place to distract the attention of gullible folks away from some real world issues.

I don't think I can do anything to prevent people from flying, and I don't have any ideas for alternative travel, so I won't be making a stink about the pollution coming from planes, as I believe there are many more prolific polluters out there.

Thanks for admitting that the chemtrail fantasy is a joke. At least we can all agree on that one topic.

originally posted by: NewWorldDisorder

originally posted by: Domo1
They're contrails and you're a few miles away from an airport. Planes use flightpaths.

It crossed my mind as well, the only problem is the Pasco airport is very small and only puddle jumpers fly in and out, the runway is too short for jets to take off or land.

Even if jets could take off from Pasco, and your picture was taken in Pasco, then those planes would not be high enough to be able to produce a contrail.

Depending on the directions of those contrails in your image, I'd say the contrails are probably from planes going to and from Sea-Tac Airport, Vancouver BC, and/or Portland -- or even heading to and from the Pacific ocean.

originally posted by: network dude
So while we both agree contrails are not chemtrails, and planes make pollution just like other internal combustion engines do, the chemtrail fantasy is in place to distract the attention of gullible folks away from some real world issues.

I agree. Air pollution from normal jet exhaust is a different topic than the normal Chemtrail conspiracy theory of "Chemtrails are clouds of chemicals being secretly and deliberately sprayed from planes for nefarious purposes such as, but not limited to, population control"

Including the normal air pollution and artificial cloud cover that is an unfortunate byproduct of normal jet exhaust as part of the definition of "Chemtrail" just confuses the issue that most chemtrail conspiracy theorists are proposing.

I wrote my comment in wrong place.. maybe even on wrong site..lol

originally posted by: intrptr
The jet thoroughfare is off shore, only smog out in the Pacific is caused by them. Heres one view from the tube, I wish it were looking west instead of eaGNSst and through the smaze, backlit by the sun. That way you can see the sun filtering directly through it.

Instead it sees from the western rim, looking (south)east.

The term "jet thouroughfare" is meaningless. Since the introduction of INS (inertial navigation systems), recognized GPS waypoints, and GNS (global navigation systems), the airway system has become a historical oddity. When I first started flying jets, a flight plan route from JFK (New York) to LAX (Los Angeles) might have been JFK-J (Jet Route) 146-Allentown-Chardon (near Cleveland)-Joliet (near Chicago)-J-60 Iowa City-J-10-Wolback-Sydney-J84/110-FROGSintersection-J56-Wasatch(Utah)-J56-Mina(Cal)-MVA 204 Radial-J58/80-Clovis-J5-LAX. It was not the shortest route. Of course, jet fuel was 50 cents a gallon. When I flew that trip last week the flight plan route was JFK-Kennedy 1 SID-Robbinsville-Direct Peach Springs-Downe4 Arrival-LAX. Its a simpler, shorter, cheaper off-airway route. Older aircraft without INS capability might get stuck flying airways, which are based on VORTACS (VHF Omnidirectional radio ranges with distance measuring capabilities.)

a reply to: F4guy

The term "jet thoroughfare" is meaningless.

Excuse me, corridor.

Your talking routes over the US, I'm referring to north south along the Pacific west coast. For flights bypassing SF bay area, that is.

a reply to: intrptr

I address the propaganda of chemtrails, not the 'white puffy lines' you keep trying to corner me into.

You do understand those puffy white lines are the whole premise of the chemtrail BS.

All your doing is trying to muddy the waters on this, but if your so concerned about the pollution start a thread and leave any conversation about those puffy white lines out of it.

Either way chemtrails do not exist.

originally posted by: intrptr
a reply to: F4guy

The term "jet thoroughfare" is meaningless.

Excuse me, corridor.

Your talking routes over the US, I'm referring to north south along the Pacific west coast. For flights bypassing SF bay area, that is.

There is absolutely no reason for flights at airline levels to "bypass the SF bay area." SFO Class B airspace ends at 10,000'MSL. And, in fact, the preferred North-South Jet Route, J-1, is defined by SFO VOR.

a reply to: tsurfer2000h

You do understand those puffy white lines are the whole premise of the chemtrail BS.

The spin about them is The premise, from both 'sides'.

Actually both 'sides' of the same coin.

Heres an example,

The war on terror has only one side. The people making war on "terrorists" are the same ones funding and training them. The propaganda feeds the spin, people argue forever, shifting focus away from the real war for subjugation of the world. We are to believe the wars are "helping humanity", the goal is to "stop terror".

Same thing with chemtrails:

Because of the widespread popularity of the conspiracy theory, official agencies have received many inquiries from people demanding an explanation.[2] Scientists and government officials around the world have repeatedly needed to confirm that supposed chemtrails are in fact normal contrails.

Who started chemtrails?

Its not pollution, its "mystery spraying". No its not, "its just water", go back to sleep.

Both sides of the same disinformation campaign, just like the war on terror.

Some where deep inside the 'fusion' centers sits rows of specialists, typing both sides of the disinformation arguments to keep the spin going. People pick up one side or the other and run with it.

Meanwhile, the environment is ruined by big industry while the gears of world conquest grind.

Its pollution, no tis not.

Its unjust war, no its not.

originally posted by: intrptr
a reply to: network dude

What does your concerns about pollution have to do with the white puffy lines that form above 25000 feet behind planes?

I address the propaganda of chemtrails, not the 'white puffy lines' you keep trying to corner me into.

'Chem' trails redesigned keep our eyes on the stratosphere far over head, like global warming keeps our attention on some distant future.

Anywhere but here and now. Done with this. See it or not.

But chemtrails occur in the troposphere and no-one notices them except meteorologists, weather photographers and those who have happened upon a conspiracy website misleading them into thinking contrails are something else ...

a reply to: intrptr

Sadly, where you fail at this whole discussion, is you refuse to listen to anyone but yourself.

Find one person here who disagrees that planes pollute the air. Just one. Can't do that? Yea, I didn't think so.

Now, even between all your posts ignoring any other perspective, you have noted that those white puffy lines aren't pollution, they are ice crystals. The plane that pollutes does so, from engine start, to engine stop.

SO what you are left with it planes pollute and you don't like it. Good. We all agree. Now, are you going to continue to complain, or try to do something about it? Honestly, I don't see an alternative, so until someone creates a new cleaner fuel, I think this is how it will be. But you are free to be that guy who comes up with a new fuel.

The main reason we are even here is to get people to comprehend that contrails are a natural byproduct of powered flight.
Pic that apart all you like, but it's fact. Undisputed fact. Just as the pollution is.

Now, will you ignore this and continue to pretend you have a point?