CERES. Contact May Have Been Made.

a reply to: Korg Trinity

No we can't, not until if and when we get a closer look.

originally posted by: angryhulk
a reply to: Korg Trinity

No we can't, not until if and when we get a closer look.

We have had enough data to know it is a reflection of sunlight....

The unknown is what the material is that is doing the reflecting, though with an Albedo of around 50-60% one can deduce that the structure is crystalline and from there we can infer what would be the most likely source.

Aliens aren't even a remote possibility I'm afraid.

Korg.

Maybe the conversation would be easier to have if, instead of putting X into the hole (it's a mining outpost! it's a city!) we just stuck to: real or artificial light?

There are other threads on the spots.

I want to know about the 'contact' from the thread title. I guess that was just BS, as usual.

originally posted by: Christosterone
I LOVE the idea of alien life....heck, I believe we will find proof of extraterrestrial life in this generation...

But dude, this is a really thin thread.....like sheets of atoms thin...
There is a 0% chance this is a city.....way more likely to be a photo anomaly/artifact than a ridiculous city...

Posts like this discredit those of us who truly believe in life existing everywhere in our galaxy....there is simply no chance a civilization capable of traversing the expanses of space would pick a crater on Ceres to build a society...
Sorry but that's the truth.
-Christosterone

That's the truth, why? Just because you said so.

You have no idea what a more advanced species needs for having an outpost on Ceres, or anywhere else for that matter, would be. You shouldn't pretend to understand something that in reality you don't know anything about.

originally posted by: jamespond

originally posted by: Christosterone
I LOVE the idea of alien life....heck, I believe we will find proof of extraterrestrial life in this generation...

But dude, this is a really thin thread.....like sheets of atoms thin...
There is a 0% chance this is a city.....way more likely to be a photo anomaly/artifact than a ridiculous city...

Posts like this discredit those of us who truly believe in life existing everywhere in our galaxy....there is simply no chance a civilization capable of traversing the expanses of space would pick a crater on Ceres to build a society...
Sorry but that's the truth.
-Christosterone

That's the truth, why? Just because you said so.

You have no idea what a more advanced species needs for having an outpost on Ceres, or anywhere else for that matter, would be. You shouldn't pretend to understand something that in reality you don't know anything about.

If you want to play that game why not just say that the aliens are here already and are wearing perfect invisibility suits and thus because there is a lack of evidence one cannot deny that it is true...

Surely common sense has to prevail?? No??

I've noticed a serious swing on ATS of those that really do not want to know the truth... they only want their own desires to be validated and reinforced by other individuals who have the the same delusions.

It's a sad state of affairs!

Korg.

a reply to: Korg Trinity

I agree it's a little silly but what if there was a flyby say 60 or 70 years ago when cities were smaller and no sattelites?

I am not saying I think theres anything to the lights on Ceres but sooner or later it is likley that we will find something out there.

We really do not know what is out there and you will always have two sides to this, I prefer to sit in the middle and see what happens.

Well, send another satellite. I think this one cost somewhere in the 4 million range, I am sure if enough people petition and what not NASA would do it.

The thing about space exploration is that it works best when large amounts of people work together, fund raise and allow government to use tax dollars to do so, it's not cheap but it's our only saving grace for future generations of our species.
Just look at how quickly we went to the moon when people worked together not only physically or scientifically, but the support from the public.

originally posted by: nonspecific
a reply to: Korg Trinity

I agree it's a little silly but what if there was a flyby say 60 or 70 years ago when cities were smaller and no sattelites?

I am not saying I think theres anything to the lights on Ceres but sooner or later it is likley that we will find something out there.

We really do not know what is out there and you will always have two sides to this, I prefer to sit in the middle and see what happens.

What you have to do is look at what we already know to be true and thus given a set of variables we can make certain calculations as to what is likely.

An example...

I have a coin.. I flip the coin in the air and catch it, hiding the outcome with my other hand.... Now when I open my hand what is the most likely outcome?

A) The coin comes up heads?
B) The coin comes up Tails?
C) Coin turns into a fish and ceremoniously flips out of my hand gasping for water.

Do you follow?

Korg.

originally posted by: strongfp
Well, send another satellite. I think this one cost somewhere in the 4 million range, I am sure if enough people petition and what not NASA would do it.

dawn is currently in orbit around Ceres, and is currently spiralling down to get a closer look.
It recently experienced an "anomaly" (spooky huh!)

link

a reply to: roadgravel

Why so down? This Skunk Works.

a reply to: BlackProject

If it isn't ice, could it not be the metallic remains of an impactor left in that crater.. afterall the crater is pretty big. The second light source to the north east of the first (center) seems to be a refraction of light from the first, this is deduced by it being located on the lowlands of the crater rim and being feinter.

havnt read 98% of this thread , did someone mention why on the last but one frame the spot/spots are illuminating in the dark... a great big pile of natural glow sticks maybe .. radioactive ?

*after going back and reading the thread , I see it's been turned into a game of pick up sticks , or some kind of frenetic straw grabbing exercise* reflecting sunlight in the shadowed part is a debasement of physic's , unless someone wants to suggest that there's another sun in the solar system ? *


lazybox

originally posted by: Korg Trinity

originally posted by: angryhulk
a reply to: Korg Trinity

No we can't, not until if and when we get a closer look.

We have had enough data to know it is a reflection of sunlight....

The unknown is what the material is that is doing the reflecting, though with an Albedo of around 50-60% one can deduce that the structure is crystalline and from there we can infer what would be the most likely source.

Aliens aren't even a remote possibility I'm afraid.

Korg.

Enough data?

But based on the spectral data the team did get, Russell said, the spots "really don't look like mounds of ice."

"The bright spots are probably — like you might find in the desert on Earth — a salt plain where maybe water came out at one time and evaporated," Russell said.

www.washingtonpost.com...


Right. They do not have enough data to conclude anything other than they believe it is not ice but instead salt.


But wait... If it is a salt plane where are the other salt planes and bright salt spots? Judging by what I've seen so far in regards to our planet and other planets there are usually patterns of such things and yet on Ceres its just this one isolated crater.



This shouldn't be so easily dismissed as "we have enough information to conclude this and that" because honestly even NASA is scratching their heads.


Aliens.

originally posted by: IamInfinity

originally posted by: Korg Trinity

originally posted by: angryhulk
a reply to: Korg Trinity

No we can't, not until if and when we get a closer look.

We have had enough data to know it is a reflection of sunlight....

The unknown is what the material is that is doing the reflecting, though with an Albedo of around 50-60% one can deduce that the structure is crystalline and from there we can infer what would be the most likely source.

Aliens aren't even a remote possibility I'm afraid.

Korg.

Enough data?

But based on the spectral data the team did get, Russell said, the spots "really don't look like mounds of ice."

"The bright spots are probably — like you might find in the desert on Earth — a salt plain where maybe water came out at one time and evaporated," Russell said.

www.washingtonpost.com...


Right. They do not have enough data to conclude anything other than they believe it is not ice but instead salt.


But wait... If it is a salt plane where are the other salt planes and bright salt spots? Judging by what I've seen so far in regards to our planet and other planets there are usually patterns of such things and yet on Ceres its just this one isolated crater.



This shouldn't be so easily dismissed as "we have enough information to conclude this and that" because honestly even NASA is scratching their heads.


Aliens.

You know what i'm not even going to grace that with an answer...

I really think ATS is going down the pan...

a reply to: Korg Trinity


I apologize that I, and ATS as a whole, isn't inherently deserving of your gracious response(s).

a reply to: BlackProject

Reflective self-illumination has been made up as well, we will see which train goes further. Just wanted to add this very convincing pic from the NASA-files for everybody to consider. High-resolution Tiff inside:



photojournal.jpl.nasa.gov...

Reflective traffic paint eh?



S&F for Ceres. Damnd... this rock rocks!

a reply to: PublicOpinion

one from that page..



maybe a really tall tip of a tower is catching the false, false, false dawn, really really tall tower though

funbox

a reply to: funbox

one from that page..

Direct link or name of the pic, please!
You didn't just try to pull my leg, did you? Can't find that one.

A very dark one: Dawn Survey Orbit Image 16/ PIA19584


photojournal.jpl.nasa.gov...

a reply to: PublicOpinion

no, you would know if one of my images was trickery

one sec.... a sec later , my apologies. the most likely explanation is that I inadvertently created a pencil mark size 2 whilst opening a tiff in photoshop photojournal.jpl.nasa.gov... , was the tiff version of that one .. or ..no im not even going there.. it was a pencil mark , touchpads are a pain

apologies

funbox