New evidence from radar operators at Wattisham airfield confirms RAF Bentwaters sighting

a reply to: aynock

I have noticed that Dr. Vallee rarely shares more than what he has written
about in his books or said during public interviews. So I really can't speak
to his sources in this particular event.

Like any other source you are free to believe him, not believe him, or
use what he says as inspiration for further research.

But in any case, you know how the study of UFOs goes.. it's all setup
almost seemingly by the 'hand of god' to be impossible to ever get
to the bottom of it, and that itself should be a major clue to you,
as in my opinion, that is one of the primary clues.

However i for one believe Dr. Vallee in this case, unless of course
his sources bamboozle him, which is certainly possible.

Kev

This case is very credible in my view,a lot of good witness testimony and good evidence also.one of britains top ufo events in my opinion.

originally posted by: CJCrawley
a reply to: gortex

Wasn't there a Russian satellite hurtling through the skies of southern England at the time?

OK I promised I'd come back to this last night.

A Soviet Cosmos 749 satellite rocket body re-entered the earth's atmosphere shortly after 9pm on Christmas Day (1st night of incident). The decaying fireball then broke into several pieces creating a spectacular light display across south east England.

A bright comet was reported as "10 times brighter than Sirius" and appearing at 2:45 hrs on Boxing Day. This is close to the time that John Burroughs, Jim Penniston and Ed Cabansag ventured out in the forest. Although no such light display occurred two nights later when Colonel Halt venture out on his own UFO recce mission.

Source : New Scientist, Jan 1981 (A couple of weeks after the incident)

a reply to: KellyPrettyBear

"Dozens of military personnel were dispatched into the forest, without weapons, before the supposed crash of a luminous object. After the incident conflicting stories leaked to the press and to civilian investigators, some of the leaks apparently originating from the front office of the military base."

Kev?

You realize that what you have posted there are the words of Michael E. Kreca, editor of the JV interview Heretic Among Heretics, right?

Those aren't the words of JV.

originally posted by: Rocker2013
a reply to: gortex

I'm skeptical to say the least.

When you have someone making money out of their story the way he does, it really lowers the credibility. I'll bet those supporting statements will be from people unable to be found, or with names redacted, or even people who have passed on.

I actually do believe that the events themselves happened, or a version of them. But, that doesn't mean aliens, and it more likely means enemy tech being used or a secret project gone awry.

There is still nothing about the entire UFO history we have which tells me this is anything more than Human technological advancement being either mistakenly or deliberately framed as being "alien".

Whatever happens with this story, I have no doubt that it won't actually answer anything, and there'll be plenty of opportunity to debunk whatever comes up. There is no smoking gun, there is no concrete evidence, and I don't think any of that will be delivered regarding alien visitation until an actual alien life form arrives on this planet in front of world media.

Well I am not sure how much Colonel Halt was paid to come over to Woodbridge.

But in fairness to him he is the only one not have written a book on Rendlesham of the Fab Four [i.e witnesses who regularly appear on internet radio shows - Halt himself, Penniston (Binary Code Man), Burroughs (Saw only lights and suffered heart damage) and Warren (Whistleblower)].

If you FF to 2:30 & then 10:40 or so of the below video you can hear Nigel Kerr one of the British radar operators confirm he spotted something.



The other USAF radio operators have already been named as James H Carey and Ivan R Barker some years ago unless Halt has completely different witnesses again.

And I totally agree with your last point in bold.

There is no smoking gun, there is no concrete evidence

Cheezus folks,

Is John Burroughs "shredded" heart valve and resultant surgery not concrete enough?

I mean, I know we're all growing old and forgetful here on the boards, but the story only came out 6 months ago.

Love,

Your Fellow Geezer

originally posted by: Bybyots
a reply to: KellyPrettyBear

"Dozens of military personnel were dispatched into the forest, without weapons, before the supposed crash of a luminous object. After the incident conflicting stories leaked to the press and to civilian investigators, some of the leaks apparently originating from the front office of the military base."

Kev?

You realize that what you have posted there are the words of Michael E. Kreca, editor of the JV interview Heretic Among Heretics, right?

Those aren't the words of JV.

As I said.. I was told something by JV and I don't repeat what he
said to me in person. But if I see something in print/out on the
net then I will reference it.

Frankly it's a bit uncomfortable maintaining discretion while
still contributing to a discussion. Perhaps it would be best
to steer wide of such subjects with possible conflict of
interest entirely. I just hate to see people going down
dead end paths.

Kev

a reply to: KellyPrettyBear

Oh, okay, got it: "JV" told you "something" and you saw a bit of text that sort of sounded like what he told you, so without even bothering to see who wrote it you've tried to use it...

...to convince people...

...that there was an entire military squad waiting, with video cameras, in a position to tape the 'sighting' well before the 'sighting occurred'.

Is that about the size of it?

Also, a squad has 9 men, not 12, or multiples of 12 such as "dozens".

I just hate to see people going down dead end paths.

When it comes to Rendlesham and "dead end paths"? I am pretty sure that Kit Green has taken care of that.

a reply to: Bybyots

Is John Burroughs "shredded" heart valve and resultant surgery not concrete enough? I mean, I know we're all growing old and forgetful here on the boards, but the story only came out 6 months ago.

I know my memory isn't what it used .....errrr well .

Welcome to the boards Bybyots don't think we've ever bumped into each other before have we?


I think Rocker2013 was referring to Halts' latest testimony. I know I was; and I don't think there is any smoking gun there. In fact I don't know whether there's a gun.

I would say Burroughs damaged heart valve is proof something was going on at Bentwaters during his tour of duty over here in England. However it does not prove that he actually came into contact with a real bonafide ET craft.

In my opinion it means that the VA (Veteran's Association) got twitchy about why Burroughs medical files were classified, saw UAPs (read UFOs) quoted from official defence documents issued by one of their closest NATO allies and decided to pay up rather than face further embarrassing questions in the public eye.

*** If anyone new to this topic doesn't understand what we are discussing here then perhaps take a moment to glance over this thread ***

*** US DoD have confirmed the UFO phenomenon is real ***

ETA : Kev and Bybyots.. Please check your PM for a bit more information on this case that I'd rather leave off the forums (at least for now).

a reply to: mirageman

That was my original assessment as well as my final assessment.

So what do you suppose the deal is with Kit? Is he just stirring the pot with his mad tales of broadband NIEMR and his apologia for his "darkened" profession?

a reply to: Bybyots

You know what I really still don't know.

He didn't have to intervene in that thread at all and could have remained silent. I have probably read it and re-read it half a dozen times now since March when it was posted.

What caused his injuries (and several others present over the encounter) with the odd Air Form that emitted the Broad Band NIEMR?

He doesn't answer nor seem to know why Burroughs medical files remain classified along with JFK and HItler!. Nor am I aware of the "several others present" who were also injured. I know Larry Warren suffered eye trouble. Penniston maybe suffered? Perhaps mentally?

I think " The reasons are not necessarily related to Rendlesham" probably means just that. Whatever that means?

Just like to say Hi to everyone and that I am a new member today.
I am from and live in Suffolk and can say I was at Colonel Halt's talk in Woodbridge on Sat 11. It was mostly a re-cap of the events over the three nights in question (as expected). Followed by a short session bashing inaccuracies in Warren's book " Left at East Gate". Seemingly Halt and Warren haven't seen eye to eye for a while now and Halt said he is tired of the lies being put out there which undermine the whole encounter.
Personally I was looking forward to a probing Q and A session at the end but was left disappointed when only a few previously submitted questions were answered.
There are a number of local civillian witnesses who saw strange lights etc on the nights in question. A local lady Brenda Butler gave a talk earlier in the evening about them and a witness who saw white lights in the sky in Ipswich whilst on his motorcycle came forward for the first time.
All in all not a bad night for 20 quid and I doubt Halt will ever come back so I am glad I went despite no earth shattering new revelations.
Something went on those nights for sure and whatever it was has had long lasting effects on quite a few young American servicemen .

What I find interesting was the Cash Landrum ,Texas incident took place just 2 days after the night when Halt went into the forest. Some similarities between what they witnessed in Texas and what Burroughs and Penniston saw on the 25/26 th. Although I don't claim to know much about that case.

a reply to: EasternRadar

Hi EasternRadar welcome to ATS.
Thanks for the report of the Woodbridge talk.

a reply to: EasternRadar

Welcome EasternRadar

Was that Gary Collins by any chance? Click here for more info.

That's from an old thread of mine but I've been fascinated since 1983 when I delivered the newspapers that brisk Autumn morning and the NOTW headline was "UFO Lands in Suffolk and That's Official".

Any knowledge you can add from the conference is most welcome because something happened for sure.

Thanks fo the welcome and no problem.

originally posted by: mirageman
a reply to: EasternRadar

Welcome EasternRadar

Was that Gary Collins by any chance? Click here for more info.

That's from an old thread of mine but I've been fascinated since 1983 when I delivered the newspapers that brisk Autumn morning and the NOTW headline was "UFO Lands in Suffolk and That's Official".

Any knowledge you can add from the conference is most welcome because something happened for sure.

Thanks, a little embarased because I can't recall the bikers name but the story doesn't match Gary Collins story. This biker was on Woodbrige Rd in Ipswich travelling toward Woodbridge when he saw 2 bright White lights similar to a car's headlights but low in the sky. He pulled over and witnessed the lights start moving around eventually fly off. There was no sound. Upon reaching Woodbridge he reported sighting at police stn where a particular PC was very interested as he too had seen strange lights.
One bit of info I didn't know although somewhat sketchy came from Halt who said he heard that a female security police Sgt saw something on second night and she allegedly threw down her rifle and fled scene. No name given but he did say she now lived in Italy and would not talk about the case. For the record he stressed this encounter was what he was told not what he witnessed.

originally posted by: Bybyots
a reply to: KellyPrettyBear

Oh, okay, got it: "JV" told you "something" and you saw a bit of text that sort of sounded like what he told you, so without even bothering to see who wrote it you've tried to use it...

...to convince people...

...that there was an entire military squad waiting, with video cameras, in a position to tape the 'sighting' well before the 'sighting occurred'.

Is that about the size of it?

Also, a squad has 9 men, not 12, or multiples of 12 such as "dozens".

I just hate to see people going down dead end paths.

When it comes to Rendlesham and "dead end paths"? I am pretty sure that Kit Green has taken care of that.

My dear Bybotts,

....

Well I can't respond without breaking the T&C.
I tried 5 different approaches.

But this I can say..

If you ever get insider information and try to
share it without breaking your word, I promise
I will not heckle you.

I'm done with this thread.

Kev

a reply to: mirageman

MM, there was a bright meteor, then again there is pretty much on any clear night almost world wide. As for a comet though, not a chance in hades, comets *hairy stars*, are visible for days, weeks and some times months. I been into astronomy since I was a small kid and do take umbrage when people appear on TV talking about "bright meteors" when they are pretty common place and mostly last less than a couple of seconds. It's verging on intellectual dishonesty to drag the meteor excuse out as often as it is in fact, it's on a par with Ridpath prating on about mistaking Sirius for a UFO and using his epithet as an amateur astronomer to give it gravitas when he knows full well that. Halt was describing and object in the Northern sky and Sirius is almost exactly in the opposite direction.

Just my 2c worth, if I may - I don't have the reference for this, but a few years ago I read somewhere that an "official" film crew arrived at one of the nuclear weapon bunkers that was said to have been shut down by a UFO; apparently they were there to catalogue the event. If I recall correctly, they arrived on a flat bed truck with an enormous movie camera set up. Does anyone know anything about that? I am thinking that perhaps a film crew arrived at the UK event as well, just AFTER the sighting, in order to catalogue it as best they could. . . .

originally posted by: Bybyots
a reply to: mirageman

That was my original assessment as well as my final assessment.

So what do you suppose the deal is with Kit? Is he just stirring the pot with his mad tales of broadband NIEMR and his apologia for his "darkened" profession?

That shizzle was wizzle. I'm still processing. Thanks for the heads up here.

My weird question: LaPlume and Franklin Camper? Camper also big in RV and knows Kit. RV'ers are big on UFOs. Coincidence or not: High-Strangeness and UFOs are like the 7-degrees of Kevin Bacon. There's more. Rhetorical of course. No need to tell me I'm crazy.