"The New World Order" book from 1990

It is obvious that there is an organisation behind the global destruction of western values etc. Hopefully they will be outed soon and the real and good world order will resume.

originally posted by: theabsolutetruth
It is obvious that there is an organisation behind the global destruction of western values etc. Hopefully they will be outed soon and the real and good world order will resume.

Just curious, but how do "Western values" differ from eastern values? Is it a McDonald's thing? And what "values" are at risk? Family? Nope, they're still about. Jobs? My paycheck seems to think that's still ok. I know this sounds like snark, but "destruction of Western values" are empty words that seem designed to instill fear and outrage - something our community excels at.

a reply to: Ironhawke

Areas in the west such as Europe and the US have cultural values like everywhere else and it is those values, which are based on Christianity and traditional culture that have recently been infiltrated.

It isn't a comment about western /eastern values and their variances, that would be another thread.

Page 2 of a thread on the New World Order and none of the alarmists have mentioned Agenda 21 yet? Must be a slow day.
2nd.

a reply to: theabsolutetruth

Ohh..Christian values. You know, the ones that aren't actually in danger, except from from people getting tired of Judeo-Christian Sharia. You know, the Christian values our forefather installed like separation of Church and State, freedom for all, freedom of religion, freedom from religion and the right to not be discriminated against. Good to know.

Seriously, though, what precisely is under attack? You can still go to church, have the family of your choosing (thank god), go where you please, speak your mind, and pretty much live how one chooses, provided your life isn't actually harming another. I'm also - and I'm quite serious - interested to know just why a unified earth is such a bad thing.

Ive read all these books about this conspiracy and the best to me is still by far: Pawns in the Game www.amazon.com...

Years ago I wanted to check out whether this conspiracy had some reality behind it.

I read that many of these authors from the OP book, Nesta Webster and William Guy Carr the author of Pawns in the Game and most of the conspiracy theorists got much of their info from a book written in the late 18th century by a guy named John Robison called: Proofs of a Conspiracy 1798.

A long time ago I went to the rare books department at the huge NYC public library and lo and behold THEY HAD THAT BOOK!

Of course you couldn’t take it out. You had to sit in a solitary room and read it there and give it back.
I remember that day in that reading room. I was thrilled to get my hands on this old book!

The place, the rare books room, was deserted and eerily quiet.

I looked around to see if anyone was looking: paranoid. …I could feel around me the spirit of the Illuminate leering at me.

They claim to have it here: www.amazon.com... I doubt they have a copy of the original one I read…
This book does prove this conspiracy goes back over 2 centuries.

a reply to: Willtell

Thanks for the post, very interesting! Wish I could get ahold of that book...

a reply to: theabsolutetruth

Christianities origins are from Africa and the middle east what is uniquely 'western' about these values? It would seem the westerners used these belief systems and perverted them for war,control, and money.

a reply to: Cuervo

Very well put.

a reply to: The GUT

Jack Parsons 'prophesied' it too. He even did a sex ritual with L. Ron Hubbard to bring it on. Some even say "UFOs" flew out of the subsequent rip in the "Veil."---as in THAT's where they come from. 1946 or '47 I think. That's basically what Parsons claimed, too, and he was a also what we might call a "contactee." Creepy anyway.

Interesting...I personally think that's where a lot of them come from too. I've thought that for a very long time now, since childhood. We know that it is impossible (as far as we know right now) to travel past the speed of light due to the mass issue. But interdimensionally, we could go wherever we wanted. I think that is where the vast majority of "paranormal" things actually come from, including UFOs.

OP: This is a very cool find, thank you for sharing...perfect for a rainy day too; I can take time studying it. S&F

a reply to: Aliensun

I suspect human existence is in the balance and the balance isn't in its favor.

Maybe that's why we're being drawn together toward common interests...I'd be curious to know how many people on this forum feel (or have felt) very strongly that they are meant to do something here on this planet. That there is a task that they are meant to complete. Some type of battle that we are meant to fight or new idea we are meant to teach to others...something like that.

It will have sort of a religious bent to it to get it sold as religions of the old-fashioned God are replaced with basically the exact same thing but with UFO overlords being in charge.

That would make sense too, as the Vatican seems to be showing a lot of interest in extraterrestrial/otherworldly life lately...it smacks of conspiracy, and maybe rightly so; they've controlled people for thousands of years with religion because you can't get any better propagandizing tool than that, when you really think about it. Then, pull the rug out from under everything and what happens to a culture when you take its entire belief system and rip it away? They're utterly lost...bereft. And that's when you start "re-programming" them to the new way of doing things. And you've conditioned them to blindly follow it just as their ancestors have been conditioned for all that time leading up until now.

There is a rush on to get things moving. That guy Obama is going full out to get his share of the business done in anyway he can. Is it just for his legacy and/or because the ticket for change has an expiration date?

Yes. It won't be long now, I don't think. Whatever is happening is escalating at an alarming rate, and I strongly suspect that an "expiration date" may not be far off the mark...although it feels more like a countdown, to me.

a reply to: Cuervo

Thank you for your points. I don't need to say anything now. xD
Well said, well said. I'll cheer you on from my browser.


On a side note, I'm failing to see how gay marriage is a sign of Impending Doom.

a reply to: DEIKOBOL

Not saying it's impending doom, but it was predicted in the book...Breaking down the family unit so, separately, we all become dependent on government, that would be a key goal of the NWO...

Ya right. "Communism". As if the capitalist banks and corporations behind the cold war are actually planning on building a more extreme version of Stalinism! This isn't our reality. Not only because of the fact capitalist banks and corporations are not pushing communism but the very form of "communism" these authors think will manifest isn't even advocated by most modern Marxists, democratic socialists, social democrats, libertarian socialists etc.

Heck, even Stalin himself didn't "destroy the family". This anti gay McCarthyism is, well, sickening. Not only is reality itself distorted but the conception of socialism is also warped and twisted to meet the authors backwards apocalyptic visions.

On divorce- the horror! Divorce being easy? You mean women are no longer stuck in abusive marriages because they're not the property of men, economically subjugated and kept from attaining financial independence? Ah, the good old days, in the 18'th century, when women were a couple steps above chattel slaves. Baby making machines to pass down property and a mans legacy. All condoned by the church. Like a state religion. Move to Saudi Arabia if you don't like progress. Move to Somalia if you want a "free market".

originally posted by: wasaka
a reply to: Signals

I looked at it, but didn't find any new info.

While still in high school I happen to find a
book by H.G. Wells with the title:

The Open Conspiracy: Blue Prints for a New World Order

The title and subtitle changed over time, but this
book was published in 1928. Here is the Wikipedia
link and quote: en.wikipedia.org...

The Open Conspiracy: Blue Prints for a World Revolution was published in 1928 by H. G. Wells, when he was 62 years old. It was revised and expanded in 1930 with the additional subtitle A Second Version of This Faith of a Modern Man Made More Explicit and Plain. In 1931 a further revised edition appeared titled What Are We to Do with Our Lives? A final version appeared in 1933 under its original title.

After reading this, I also read:

The Aquarian Conspiracy: Personal and Social Transformation in Our Time

Called "an exciting vision of the future” (Cleveland Plain Dealer), “a handbook of the New Age” (USA Today), and “a new charter of human possibility” (Norman Cousins) upon its initial publication in 1980, The Aquarian Conspiracy is a breathtaking, compelling study of the changes in work, relationships, medicine, religion, education, and more that comprised the birth of the New Age movement.

An influence on thinkers from Deepak Chopra to Al Gore, The Aquarian Conspiracy remains a thorough, detailed classic of contemporary thought—an impeccable document that traces one of the most powerful cultural movements of our age

After putting these two ideas together, I think
I had a good idea what the agenda was as early
as 1986.

After WW1 and especially WW2 many authors, philosophers and statesmen advocated a more interconnected world to avoid another world war. Guess what, beginning in the 1940's it became obvious the west wasn't interested in this when the OSS (CIA) pushed to Nuke Japan, in part to threaten Russia.

Keynes was also aware of the fact that capitalism (which he supported) couldn't function if the world were one giant nation state. "Free trade" would be impossible, and thus capitalism would be impossible. Keynes, as much as the right wishes so, wasn't a socialist. In fact, if it weren't for him socialism would have likely manifested, as Joseph Schumpeter predicted.

All of this socialist/communist "NWO" talk is far removed from reality.

originally posted by: theabsolutetruth
It is obvious that there is an organisation behind the global destruction of western values etc. Hopefully they will be outed soon and the real and good world order will resume.

It's just the opposite. Good god. When Bush spoke of the "new world order" he was speaking about spreading "liberal democracy". Capitalism. Enlightenment values. Say what you will about the wars in the Middle east but part of the "game plan" is to "westernize" the region, open it up to western investment. Taco Bell, Coca Cola etc. Create a larger consumer base for western products. Allocate natural resources into western markets in favorable ways. Neutralize State religion in favor of corporate "democracy".

That's all this "NWO" is. Corporate "democracy". The only thing being centralized is wealth. Profits. What they want to spread is favorable economic conditions for western nations. The US, France, Germany, UK etc. "Develop" India, Vietnam etc in ways which benefit western companies. It's just capitalism. The whole point of the French and American revolutions.

Henry Kissinger just called for the New World Order on CNN in front of the entire world and you people still think it is fake.NWO agenda is to destroy old laws and old ways of thinking.

Otherwise it would not be a New World Order and new laws and new technology pushed on people.Not fake and it will lead to the Mark of the Beast.Which simply means a buyers and sellers mark.
Buying and selling controls the world but this has ways to go yet before it is forced on everyone.How it all unfolds have to wait and see if we live that long.

Freedoms are slowly being taken away but are still there.The process is always on going.

a reply to: JeanPaul

You hit the nail on the head. There will never be a one world government maybe once we encounter aliens it may happen but not anytime soon.

a reply to: Jobeycool

The mark of the beast is more sprititual than material if you think of evil egoic and and do evil stoic things you already have the mark of the beast.

originally posted by: SheepDipped
a reply to: Metallicus
What ppl don't realize is that they are just following Platos republic to try to bring out a utopian society. Plato said it couldn't be done. But, that's the exact prescription. Children are raised by the state, they are segregated into bronze, silver, and gold classes based on intelligence, and everyone is ruled by the philosopher kings. 
en.m.wikipedia.org...(Plato)

It all world out perfect until the philosopher king kills himself because he alone knows all of the worlds sadness.  That's what the book the giver is about. 
en.m.wikipedia.org...

They have tried to implement Plato's ideas without including Plato's Spirituality. This and they have declared themselves philosophers.

I don't have the quote but from what I remember Plato warned us, if the militant class ever takes power and believes themselves the philosophical class the world would be left in utter chaos.

The people who are not qualified to be philosophers are trying to implement a form of government that they niether understand, nor would be capable of leading.

The leaders of Plato's theocracy were God fearing. The men in charge today fear nothing but poverty. The leaders in Plato's Theocracy were like Nieche's Overman, willing to sacrifice themselves for humanity.

Plato as well as Moses said a king should not be one who lives in excess. But our leaders think that excess is proof of their Divine Superiority.

Deuteronomy 17
The King
16 The king, moreover, must not acquire great numbers of horses for himself or make the people return to Egypt to get more of them, for the Lord has told you, “You are not to go back that way again.” 17 He must not take many wives, or his heart will be led astray. He must not accumulate large amounts of silver and gold.

18 When he takes the throne of his kingdom, he is to write for himself on a scroll a copy of this law, taken from that of the Levitical priests. 19 It is to be with him, and he is to read it all the days of his life so that he may learn to revere the Lord his God and follow carefully all the words of this law and these decrees 20 and not consider himself better than his fellow Israelites and turn from the law to the right or to the left. Then he and his descendants will reign a long time over his kingdom in Israel.

This is the type of leader Plato envisioned in his theocracy. And this is likely the inspiration for his theocracy.