Shot fired by security guard at public meeting after his assault repelled by citizen (must see)

a reply to: Ferros

"I can not see why anyone would sympathize with this fellow other than to hate politicians and the obviously amateur security officers."

Allow me to educate you on the "politics" of Mansfield, Ohio. Seems some years ago, there was a farmer who suffered a major heart attack at his home somewhere near the Richland/Ashland County line. Richland County police blocked the ambulance responding to the scene, so as to allow for their county's ambulance to make its way to the man (who, had he lived, would've ended up paying Richland County for services rendered). It is said that the police did this on orders of the county sheriff (a man whose name makes Central Ohioans shudder to this day). The farmer subsequently died, and a major lawsuit was filed.

Somewhere around the first page of this thread, a poster commented that Mansfield is like the Hazzard County of Ohio. That's too cartoonish a way to depict the ugly truth. Mansfield is a place where corruption has reigned supreme for four decades. It's the place where The Shawshank Redemption was filmed, and if you've seen the movie, you'll understand why it was chosen. Plenty has happened in Mansfield. Plenty happens in every American town. But it isn't Hazzard County. It's a hazard to all who come.

Thank you.

a reply to: hattricktendency

If that is the case then

Prosecutor Bambi Couch Page and some hanging judge will probably put this man in jail for a while.

a reply to: roadgravel

I think he really needs to change venue to some less politically inbred area.

a reply to: Bedlam
I had the same thought. Seems like the selected jury might be a bit biased away from him. Doubt it will be allowed to happen.

a reply to: FlyingFox


Im sorry, but two wrongs does not make a right. At the beginning yea, he was speaking calmly and I understand his frustration because the representatives didnt seem like they were hearing him. (I would get mad too if I got ignored.) However, when he approached the woman to see the computer where he was accused of touching the staff member, this is where I feel he went wrong.

Woman: "You just put your hands on one of our staff members and that's inappropriate."
Him: "Your staff members put their hands on the public and that is inappropriate."

While he did make a point and stated a truth. (I am assuming he was speaking about the way police are handling situations these days through brutality.) He went about it the wrong way and tried to justify the brief touch by stating the above quote. From what I saw in the video, he got up to confirm something as someone said "You are welcome to see it". In a way this was an invitation to see something. I didn't see anything really inappropriate, nor sexual that caused the woman to call him out.

However he probably used the accusation of something that was unintentional and saw opportunity to make a point. But again the way he said it made him seem a bit arrogant and that is where he lost.

As for the shooting itself. After getting pummeled like that, the officer saw him as violent. The guy is extremely lucky that the officer didn't keep shooting. I give credit to him for not continuing to shoot, things would have been far worse.

The man lost this battle completely the moment he pummeled the officer. He lost all credibility at that point.

Were the staff members guilty aswell? Both are to blame.

a reply to: FlyingFox

Did you notice that second bout of punches came when camera guy saw the POS going for his gun?

Will have to wait for YT videos to play properly on my computer (I'm just getting a black screen) in order to have an intelligent comment to add, but from reading the story, both were in the wrong, as assaulting security guards is (a) illegal and (b) stupid, and the security guard trying to take his private property that is legal to have in the room is wrong (but, in this case, to a lesser extent). Firing off the gun can probably be considered to be done as self defense (again, I haven't seen the video yet), but is an ignorant thing to do in a room full of people, even if you are getting your ass handed to you.

I'll be interested to see if my interpretation changes after watching the video, but so far, the "activist" sounds like he instigated the entirety of the events that spiraled out of control (you can react much more reasonably than multiple assaults against someone).

a reply to: Kuroodo

Yeah, that guy was chilling.. even when the gun went off.. just watching the show... lol.

The pathetic leadership proves the economy is headed for total disaster.

a reply to: SoulSurfer

Hmm, at worst the gaurd could of gotten a black eye..it's great you commend the moron for only shooting once in a crowded room..the mind boggles.
To be clear both parties are responsible..only one drew a weapon and fired for getting litteraly bitchslapped..Lucky people in that room.

a reply to: FlyingFox>>> That was piss poor security they had with the one officer shooting at the guy and not being the least bit in control of the situation. The other guy was just the opposite, belligerent and combative just like the guy who started throwing punches for having his camera grabbed. But that's getting more and more typical of local governments. They don't like the public interfering and disrupting their meetings and decisions and want everything behind closed doors and done in secret. That bitch who ran and got security caused the whole fracas, she no doubt exaggerated what the guy did and they over reacted anyway. He may have touched her but wasn't threatening. I like how the one guy who was also there to complain say and did nothing and was the only guy who maintained his cool. He also got a good verbal jab at the councilman/supervisor.
>>> BTW, I was just in Mansfield Ohio. It had a run down vibe to it, at least in the city. Ohio has a problem with fascist cops if you look at Youtube.

a reply to: SoulSurfer

I disagree with pretty much everything you said. I also feel your part of the problem with society imo.

But this part I will address directly:

The guy is extremely lucky that the officer didn't keep shooting. I give credit to him for not continuing to shoot, things would have been far worse.

I'm assuming you meant the security guard was lucky right?

And I continue to be very distrubed at how many people think that the security guard demonstrated an appropriate escalation of force against an unarmed and outnumbered civilian in a room full of civilians participating in local government.

a reply to: SoulSurfer

Bwahahaha...you are really gonna act like that incidental brush on the shoulder of the lady who just said she would turn her tag around and make it readable for him (which why the F would they all do that anyway) was anything more than brushing past someone on the sidewalk is anything more than that? If someone brushes against you in a public setting do you ask for them to be expelled from that place?...probably not!

It's quite clear the place is corrupt as all hell and now they assaulted a man without cause. On top of that which was already pretty bad they attempted to kill him as well. There is not a reason on earth that any of that was his fault. He defended himself as we all have the right to do in that situation! If only more people did this...if only...

Is there a go fund me for his defense because I will contribute.


If some random black shirt guy came in and put his hands on me I would punch his lights out as well and if I saw him go for a gun I would try to kill him first.

a reply to: RickyD

Mike definitely came in there looking for some sort of confrontation. He knew those two guys work for the county as security guards. Regardless of whether he's in the right or not, when you're approached by security guards in a situation like this, you're either going to have to duke it out or voluntarily walk out. Punching out a security guard accomplishes nothing. He'll probably do a few months in the county jail now.

It's like arguing with a cop. There's no point in it. That's what the courts are for.

That being said, the security guards really bungled this up. They should have clearly identified themselves and asked him to leave. If Mike verbally indicated that he would not leave, the guards should have asked everyone to clear the room and called the sheriff's department. They're not supposed to rough people up. They're especially not supposed to draw a firearm unless it's a life or death situation. Mike did back off from the first rentacop after he threw a flurry of punches, but when he saw the guy go for his gun, he resumed the attack. A reasonable course of action, but on the other hand he could have immediately hit the ground and surrendered. Plenty of blame to go around everywhere.

Nothing will happen to the rentacop. He's a retired deputy and the standards for prosecuting guards/cops for misjudgments while on duty are pretty lax.

If there is corruption in this lameass county in Ohio, this isn't a great way of exposing it.

a reply to: FlyingFox
County Commissioner Marilyn John is as responsible as anyone for creating the situation that led to the security guard reaching for the guy's camera when she accused him of inappropriately putting his hands on one of their staff members and then summoning the security guards into the room. Why did she do that? The meeting was relatively peaceful, though not properly respectful of the citizen asking questions, until the commissioner interjected with that accusation. The staff member upon whom she accused him of putting his hands had no complaint, said not a word, and seemed not the least bit offended by anything the guy did when he walked over to look at the screen of her laptop. The situation was a setup staged by commissioner John to get the guy removed from the room. She should have just kept her mouth shut or, having chastised him, allowed the meeting to proceed rather than summons the security guards into the room. Commissioner John is lucky that the3 no-one was struck by the gunfire.

a reply to: Guidance.Is.Internal

In a corrupt county courts are for sh*t...I'm sure Mike knew that. Sure he probably knew they were security and all, but I'm sure he also knew proper procedure due to being a corrections officer for 3 decades. If they do not identify themselves there legally is know way for him to have known. As well as the officer going for the camera which seemed a whole lot like the priority wasn't getting Mike out rather making sure his video didn't make it out with him. If you tried to steal evidence I had on you being corrupt and acting illegally I might be inclined to protect said evidence too...especially if it was around my neck! I understand what your getting at I just don't agree with it. I damn sure don't agree with felony charges being leveled at him. Those security guys perjured themselves on tape, filed false reports, assaulted a man, didn't follow proper procedure, and attempted to murder a man. I am pretty sure they ought to be seeing a cell for quite some time!

a reply to: RickyD

Hopefully Mike gets off with a tongue-lashing from the judge and the rentacop at least loses his job and hopefully does a few months in jail. Unfortunately, I think precisely the opposite will happen. "Felonious Assault" is a ridiculous charge. That's reserved for people who seek out a victim and cause severe injury.

Btw, did anyone notice how that guy in the white was cool as a cucumber throughout the entire ordeal? I've had the unpleasant experience of having a gun shot near me indoors and man is it a shock. That guy must have some serious cojones (or is deaf!)