RARE 911 WTC VIDEO - Multiple Explosions Heard Before and During Collapse.

The interesting thing is that the World Trade Center buildings were being scheduled for renovation to get all that asbestos removed. The controlled disassembly would have actually cost more than reconstruction. And they would

a reply to: stormcell


What asbestos is that....? Only asbestos was in North Tower below 37th floor

Over the years it had either been removed or encapsulated - coating with impermeable material which prevented it from flaking

originally posted by: Awen24
...so rare it's on YouTube?

I have never seen the uncut version posted here and I have watched hundreds of these.

There are any number of 'explosions' heard before any such catastrophe -- from legitimate interpretations of sounds heard, to conspiracy theories, to simple/ton attention-seekers wanting to their "disclosures"' uploaded to fora like ATS.

9-11 really needs some new, concrete evidence and not more supposition and conjecture. The more of the latter that is proffered, the less credible the truly intriguing, unanswered question become. Its net effect is a 'poisoning of the well'; tantamount to working for a government who has something to hide.

a reply to: Shadow Herder

All of this information was on the movie Loose Change.

Explosions happening at the base of the towers with billows of smoke prior to the collapse (with videos and witness testimonies)... videos of synchronous jet-stream explosions with windows blowing out on the floors prior to collapse (with witness testimony from firemen on location to that fact), etc.

a reply to: admirethedistance

The architects who are on my advisory committee have been working in the field for at least 5 years or more. It's a requirement that any member who sits on our advisory committee to have at least 5 years experience working in the field. There are a lot of architects and engineers nationally that don't agree with the "pancake theory".

So what's your opinion on how the 3rd steel building collapsed? That steel structure was not built the same way as the trade towers. Yet you have another steel structure collapsing which was not set on fire from jet fuel. The fire from that building couldn't even get close to the 1.500 degree mark. What a coincidence to have not 1, not 2 but 3 steel buildings collapsing into their own footprint.

I'm aware of one steel building, which I recall was in Madrid, Spain in which only a portion of the building collapsed due to an intense fire for a period of over 24 hours of it being on fire. Not an "hour," ...over 24 HOURS! It did not have a total collapse, since the fire was located near the top of the building! This adds to real world evidence that fire alone does not cause a total collapse in steel high-rise towers.

Putting the entire collapse aside, the account of "extraordinary high temperature" of molten metal smoldering for days after the collapse is also a huge red flag.

This is like a criminal investigating their own murder and creating a story to cover their tracks. There are a lot of professional architects, engineers, and even pilots who question the official story. This was the worst attack done on American soil, so don't you think the U.S. government owed the people of the United States an unbiased investigation into the collapse of the twin towers, building 7, and the Pentagon building? Ask yourself, if the government doesn't have anything to hide, why haven't they released any of the security videos from surrounding businesses around the Pentagon? They immediately confiscated those videos yet have never released their contents!

Our government has been known to skew information to suit their agendas. They certainly proved that with justifying the invasion of Iraq. Which we all know had nothing to do with 911, yet we have a recorded press conference of George W. Bush saying exactly that! Oh sorry, no WMD's found but we'll continue to occupy a sovereign country, condemn your leader to death and choose a leader to rule Iraq. Really, you have to be naïve not to not see the connection. The U.S. had their eye on getting involved in the Persian Gulf to control the flow of oil for years.

a reply to: Reverbs

You have to wonder how skeptics can even ignore the numerous eyewitness reports of fire fighters and maintenance workers who were in the building who emphatically claim they heard explosions before the collapse. How easy they can contribute those sounds to the collapse of the floors that were supposedly occurring 100 floors above the lobby area. But lets dismiss these accounts, and the numerous other red flags which happened on 911.

William Rodriguez is the 9/11 hero who saved hundreds of lives, the last person to escape alive from the World Trade Center before they collapsed, and that his testimony that the basement of WTC1 exploded before the plane hit was ignored by officials.

a reply to: WeRpeons

The architects who are on my advisory committee have been working in the field for at least 5 years or more.

Correct me if I am wrong.
Architects design the basic features and flow of buildings.
Structural Engineers Design the requirements for said building to stand strong.

Architects DO NOT investigate building collapses.
So your "advisory committee" DO NOT have the skill set to make an accurate determination of any building collapse.

That's been the problem with Richard Gage and his webbie cohorts.
Most of them do not have the skills needed.

a reply to: largo

I can tell you with absolute conviction, you have absolutely nothing to say here on the subject.

Why because I question the OP and his assertions?

I see when someone questions something it means they have nothing to say about the subject...so then everybody has to agree with the those who think it was done intentionally or they are just clueless about the subject...gotta love the ATS mindset of some.

a reply to: WeRpeons

You have to wonder how skeptics can even ignore the numerous eyewitness reports of fire fighters and maintenance workers who were in the building who emphatically claim they heard explosions before the collapse.

And that is proof there were bombs placed in the building to bring it down?

Explosions cannot be caused by something else...they have to be bombs, is that what your trying to say?

a reply to: WeRpeons

William Rodriguez is the 9/11 hero who saved hundreds of lives, the last person to escape alive from the World Trade Center before they collapsed, and that his testimony that the basement of WTC1 exploded before the plane hit was ignored by officials.

No he didn't he said they felt rumbles.

AARON BROWN, CNN CORRESPONDENT: William Rodriguez (ph) is a maintenance worker at the Trade Center, I believe. In any case, he's on the phone with us now.

Mr. Rodriguez can you hear me?

WILLIAM RODRIGUEZ, MAINTENANCE WORKER, TRADE CENTER: Yes, I can hear you now.

BROWN: Tell me where you were when -- which of those two buildings were you in?

RODRIGUEZ: I work in building one. The one that got hit the first time.

BROWN: Tell me what happened.

RODRIGUEZ: I was in the basement, which is the support floor for the maintenance company, and we hear like a big rumble. Not like an impact, like a rumble, like moving furniture in a massive way. And all of sudden we hear another rumble, and a guy comes running, running into our office, and all of skin was off his body. All of the skin.

We went crazy, we started screaming, we told him to get out. We took everybody out of the office outside to the loading dock area. Then I went back in, and when I went back in I saw people -- I heard people that were stuck on an the elevator, on a freight elevator because all of the elevators went down. And water was going in, and they were probably getting drowned. And we get a couple of pipes and opened the elevator and we got the people out.

I went back up and saw one of the officers from the Port Authority Police, I been working there for 20 years so I knew him very well. My routine on the World Trade Center is in charge of the staircase, and since there was no elevator service, I have the master keys for all the staircase doors.

So, I went up with the police officer and a group of firemen. As we went up, there was a lot of people coming up, and while we got -- it was very difficult to get up.

BROWN: Mr. Rodriguez, how many time has taken -- has elapsed here in this, as you recount the events? Did it seem like hours, minutes, seconds? RODRIGUEZ: No, it wasn't hours.

BROWN: What did it seem like?

RODRIGUEZ: Well there was a big time, like a gap. There was a gap of time. I won't be able to tell you if it was 15 or 20 minutes.

BROWN: OK.

RODRIGUEZ: But there was a gap of time. We heard, while we were on the 33rd floor, I'm sorry on the 23rd floor, because we stopped there with the fire department because their equipped was very heavy and they were breathing very hard. They took a break because they couldn't continue going up. So they wanted take a break.

And we had a person on a wheelchair that we were going to bring down on a gurney, and a lady that was having problems with a heart attack, and some other guy that was bleeding hard. And we went a couple of floors up. While they were putting the person in the gurney, got up to the 39th floor, and we heard on the radio that the 65th floor collapsed. It collapsed.

BROWN: Mr. Rodriguez, let me stop you there at the 65th floor, and let me add you are a lucky man, it seems like, today. Thank you for joining us.
transcripts.cnn.com...

www.911myths.com...

Nowhere in his reporting of what he felt did he say explosions...and this was from his own account that same day.

And nothing about the basement where he was at exploding before the plane hit...or is his account of the events that day changing from his interview that was given to CNN as shown above?

You'll never see someone more surprised
than a person who has just learned WTC7
was not hit by a plane but it came down symmetrically in 7 seconds.
And then show them the 20+ angles of the implosion.
Luckily the military couldn't confiscate everyone's cameras
in lower Manhattan .

Speaking of..
Ask them if they remember
seeing a plane hit the Pentagon ?

The first exclamation is "Well of course
I've seen a video of a plane hitting the Pentagon".
"Let's see it'll come right up I'm sure."
Uh.. So there is no video of a plane of any sort at the Petagon ?"

Google Shanksville now...
Read first responder quotes.
and watch video.
No plane
no luggage
no fuel smell
no seats
no paper.
Very very little debris is on the ground.
Unprecedented for an aircraft crash
of that size.
And.. no engine..
Why no engines ?
Well so little debris is there that a dump truck
with aluminum scrap could have done the job in one trip.
However loading Airliner size jet engines on to trucks and hauling them
to the boonies was not do-able apparently. So meh..no engines.
Whose gonna look right ?

And finally as the coroner
of Shanksville's county proclaimed on the scene..
" No bodies."
A statement he made many times that day.
A few too many times apparently as
he's been "debriefed" and now recants his admissions.

Back to our wide eyed NOOB.
At this point videos of WTC 's 7
(which NIST admitted was in free fall)
is burned into their mind. Pointing out that Type 1 fire resistant
skyscrapers don't collapse on themselves without explosives,
and the only 3 that ever have were during 9/11, is redundant.

Investigations are happening all over the world . It's only a matter
of time before there is a an ex VP in a hardened bunker in Wyoming
realizing the world is out to get him for the 1-2+million deaths
he's caused. I hope that new heart holds out long enough
for him to claim his one way ticket to Nuremberg.
Won't happen ? Ask Kissinger how his life is going recently.
People are on the trail and there is no turning back .

originally posted by: WeRpeons
Fundamental physics? Where is the delay when upper floors are striking lower floors? The fall has to be significantly impeded by the lower impacted mass! It's called the "conservation of momentum" which is a fundamental law of physics!

So because you cannot see it happening, it's not happening?
You're relying on audio, unable to see what is actually happening to the internal structure of the building behind the facade and the resulting plume of debris.
This is a massive building in an area of dense construction, you cannot seriously claim to be of scientific mind and then claim that because you cannot see the floors collapsing means they're not, or that you can possibly base the reality of what is happening inside that building on the sound echoing from every other building around it.

originally posted by: WeRpeons
If the pancake theory can even be plausible, how do you explain the 3rd building that wasn't even constructed in the same manner as the trade towers? I guess the pancake theory can be applied to that building too?

I don't know about Building 7, I haven't claimed that this was a pancake collapse either. What I do know is that it's incredibly unlikely and completely implausible that explosives were used in any of these buildings, and no matter how much you want to claim that they were there is absolutely no evidence for it, not in the videos, not in the audio, not in the statements taken out of context by people there experiencing it first-hand.

Prove it, and if you cant then the scenario which actually explains everything clearly and scientifically has to be taken as the right one - until you can offer EVIDENCE to the contrary.

originally posted by: WeRpeons
You also say 10 floors suddenly collapse. So every girder support on each floor coincidently sheared at the same time? I can now say you're deliberately trying to justify the pancake theory

.

You do understand that one join point cannot hold the weight of an entire floor requiring all join points to be intact, right?
Now you're deliberately looking for any excuse to deny reality.

If you have floor supported by 100 join points around the center and outer ring, and 50% of those fail, the FLOOR WILL COLLAPSE.

I don't know why I'm bothering with this, I really don't, you're deliberately rejecting physics and reality in desperation.

originally posted by: WeRpeons
As far as why I come to this conclusion...I teach architectural and mechanical CAD. I have local architects who sit on my advisory board. We've discussed the collapse at length. Everyone of these architects didn't buy the pancake theory. The upper floors simply did not meet any resistance. I don't claim to be an authority on this, but when architects don't agree, it raises a red flag.

Then every "architect" you have discussed this with is an imbecile and should not be working in that field.

The floors of the WTC 1 and 2 were supported in place by join points in the middle of the floor and to the outer facade of the structure of the building. They were each designed to hold ONLY THEIR OWN WEIGHT.

So, when you have an impact on the structure weakening just one floor, all the floors above it are now resting their weight on the floors below, and NOT ON THE OUTER SUPPORTING WALL.

If you have one floor only able to support itself suddenly having to support the weight of ten floors above it, it will fail. It then falls to the floor below, which of course cannot support that weight either. It's an exponential addition of weight to floors only able to support themselves, and it results in EXACTLY what we saw.

If your so-called "architect" friends cannot understand that a floor designed to support itself will collapse under the weight of ten floors DROPPING ONTO IT then they are incapable of calling themselves architects.

originally posted by: WeRpeons
a reply to: Reverbs

You have to wonder how skeptics can even ignore the numerous eyewitness reports of fire fighters and maintenance workers who were in the building who emphatically claim they heard explosions before the collapse. How easy they can contribute those sounds to the collapse of the floors that were supposedly occurring 100 floors above the lobby area. But lets dismiss these accounts, and the numerous other red flags which happened on 911.

William Rodriguez is the 9/11 hero who saved hundreds of lives, the last person to escape alive from the World Trade Center before they collapsed, and that his testimony that the basement of WTC1 exploded before the plane hit was ignored by officials.

These people were either in the building or outside of it, and as we can see from the people here who are determined to insist that the sounds of floors collapsing were "explosions", these people made an honest mistake. They know nothing of what was going on, all they knew was that these buildings had been hit by planes, and they were on fire. When they heard the booms of the building collapsing it's entirely understandable that they thought they were "explosions", because that's what they sounded like.

A car backfiring sounds like a gun shot, it doesn't mean every time you hear that sound it MUST BE a gun shot!

There are plenty of people on that day who described the loud bangs they heard as explosions, mainly because they had no other word to use to describe what they heard.

It doesn't mean that's exactly what they were.

originally posted by: WeRpeons
There are a lot of architects and engineers nationally that don't agree with the "pancake theory".

Can you list them please?
I'm really curious to see what their qualifications are.

Quite frankly, if an architect doesn't understand that a floor designed to hold it's own weight will collapse when the weight of another ten floors drops onto it every project they have ever worked on needs to be checked for structural failure.

Any "architect" who doesn't understand how those buildings came down presumably also believes in levitation and magic as valid construction methods.

a reply to: Awen24

Yeah its not new those videos have been around for quite a while.

I saw them back in 2012 when they were first uploaded

Wow, I am amazed that after all these pages that no has been able to debunk the videos.

The debunkers first started to say " I don't hear nothing", to " car backfire " to "Sonic boom" now to the long debunked pancake theory (2003).

This thread still stands un debunked. The maturity level and name calling of the 3 people who are here to say ' no' to threads like this are failing and have failed.

originally posted by: reldra

originally posted by: Awen24
...so rare it's on YouTube?

I have never seen the uncut version posted here and I have watched hundreds of these.

Quite honestly me neither and I have seen thousands of them.

originally posted by: Reverbs
a reply to: Shadow Herder

these topics make me nervous because of what has happened to me in the past..
but..

Thos guys look like they have been through hell and back thanks for the videos.

According to the 2 debunkers here. These firemen are idiot, loser, liars and any architect that doesn't agree with his fantastical official lies are 'imbeciles' and 'shouldn't be in the field'. Wow.. impressive thinking skills.

a reply to: tsurfer2000h
Not to completely discredit the witnesses who described explosions and such, but in my experience in dealing with eye witnesses in law enforcement, they are notoriously bad at getting information correct. You would be absolutely surprised what effects group think and even the human mind can play tricks that will have someone believing they saw one thing when it was something else altogether. In no way am I trying to reduce the importance of witness statements but I just do not put the same credence into these "facts" as many others unfortunately do.

a reply to: UnderKingsPeak

Google Shanksville now...
Read first responder quotes.
and watch video.
No plane
no luggage
no fuel smell
no seats
no paper.
Very very little debris is on the ground.
Unprecedented for an aircraft crash
of that size.
And.. no engine..
Why no engines ?
Well so little debris is there that a dump truck
with aluminum scrap could have done the job in one trip.

Seems that there was enough debris that was in trees that an arborist was called in to help remove it from the trees.

After United Flight 93 went down in a field in Stonycreek, Pa., on Sept. 11, 2001, arborist Mark Trautman spent four days high up in the surrounding hemlock trees, picking human remains and airplane debris out of the branches.

[url]http://www.post-gazette.com/life/lifestyle/2013/09/08/Flight-93-first-responders-still-haunted-by-trauma-of-12-years-ago/stories/201309080143[/ur l]

Or is he lying?

And finally as the coroner
of Shanksville's county proclaimed on the scene..
" No bodies."
A statement he made many times that day.
A few too many times apparently as
he's been "debriefed" and now recants his admissions.

Really, because here he is discussing that...