Can we have a Nationwide Exorcism In the US?

a reply to: dawnstar

Kinda like the Cone of Power in WWI?

The official history states that Wicca was handed down through an arcane route to Gerald Gardner via the New Forest Coven[wp] in 1936, and in World War II the coven he was involved in was part of "Operation Cone of Power" in which "hundreds of witches from covens throughout southern England gathered skyclad in New Forest to send Hitler and his generals telepathic thoughts to stay out of England."

I read (or heard) that it eventually backfired on them because their efforts were a violation of free will, and that such magic should only be used for protection for themselves -- not to control Hitler (or anyone else.) So I would think any such efforts by the Church would have to do the same.

It is an interesting thought though...

a reply to: Boadicea
Found this interesting and looked it up online, seems that many of the participates died..
but maybe the christians are immune to this, I mean they are constantly trying to interfere with free will.

originally posted by: dawnstar
a reply to: Boadicea
Found this interesting and looked it up online, seems that many of the participates died..
but maybe the christians are immune to this, I mean they are constantly trying to interfere with free will.

Maybe that's why organized religions are "dying" so to speak. At least that's what I wonder!

Churches, really all religions and much like the U.S., had/have an opportunity to use free will to encourage good behavior and high ideals and noble principles... instead they have used what power and influence they have to beat people over the head and enforce their own will on others.

It's all a vicious circle.

originally posted by: marg6043
a reply to: Boadicea

Oh, yes my friend, arrogant, self centered, egoistic, judgmental and more, we can blame our free will for doing no just great things but also create chaos for those that do not agree with our personal points of view.

That about sums it up! Couldn't have said it better myself -- obviously, or I would have.

originally posted by: beezzer

Ironically, all 4 would have been living in their mom's basement, and all have the gamer tag of "Stud Twinkie".

I really enjoy your sense of humor! You have a way of expressing things that make me smile -- if not LOL!

Thanks.

Exorcisms rub me suspicious. Back in the old days mentally ill folks were considered possessed rather than insane. Today we know better. Nope sorry, I don't have any demons in me aside from myself of course. Do they honestly believe that an exorcism of America would have any affect whatsoever besides placebo? If they want to pretend it works and try to change the world with words rather than actions, then the problems are on THEM, because instead of doing good works and actions, they think they can just pray the evil away. Yeah, good luck with that.

originally posted by: dawnstar
a reply to: marg6043

they could at least call in the shamans, the wiccans and all and make it a joint effort instead of doing it in secret.

Now that would be something, genuine spiritual people coming together to drive out all the spirits.

But I doubt enough people would show up to have any effect. In other words, an exorcism can't be done. There just aren't enough skilled spiritual people in the world. But if there were, it would just take one to do it.

Even if succesful, society would break down anyway. Too many people living with spirits for generations, it would be like going cold turkey, people would really be going crazy if they'd suddenly be released and realize what had happened.

I would think it wouldn't work. Not really being an expert on exorcism, my basic understanding is you can only exorcise a demon or demons from something or someone they have possessed, and in this case, you wouldn't be driving them out of the population of the US en masse, but only trying to drive them out of the land itself or something. In order to drive them out of the population, you'd have to do people one at a time.

And I don't think willingness is necessarily a factor because if you think about what, what person possessed and under control by an actual demon is going to WANT to be exorcized? Think about it. So I don't think willing participation is a necessity at all.

a reply to: johnnyjoe1979
it would be like the mother who throws her car outside and well the cat just walks to the backdoor because it knows that there is a kid there holding the door open to let it back in.
But well, I have a different thought process about the whole thing. To me there are real spiritual entities in the world and well, they can't really harass you unless a few things happen. one is that you allow it, but the other is if your guardians allow, which they won't do unless there is something that you can gain from the interaction. I also believe that we can create the things ourselves when we deny certain aspects of ourselves because well, we don't like that part of ourselves and so we push it away from us. it is us that gives them the energy to exist and well, sooner or later we are gonna have to confront it to claim that energy back.

a reply to: dawnstar

All they need is an opening.

It's a bit like the popular lore of the vampire needing to be invited in. In order to invite the vampire in, you don't have to be consciously aware that you are inviting in a vampire. You only have to create the opening. Ignorance that what you are inviting in is a vampire is no excuse or protection.

Similar to this. Ouija boards have been marketed as harmless children's games forever. Ignorance of what they are intended to actually do is not protection. All an entity needs is an opening to take advantage of. That's enough. Truly evil entities play by the letter, not the spirit of the law.

a reply to: ketsuko

You seriously believe in demons?

a reply to: BuzzyWigs

If there is an ultimate good, then there is an ultimate evil.

While I don't believe they are common, dark things/entities do exist. If you had experienced the house I lived in for a time, you wouldn't be so cavalier about dismissing the possibility of dark things.

And if you don't think evil exists, the more fool you.

a reply to: ketsuko

While I don't believe they are common, dark things/entities do exist. If you had experienced the house I lived in for a time, you wouldn't be so cavalier about dismissing the possibility of dark things.

And if you think evil exists, the more fool you.

"If I think 'evil exists', the more fool I?"
I doubt that's what you meant to type, but I'm going to run with it.

Evil certainly exists. Evil people - they DO exist. I just don't buy into the Exorcism/Possession thing.

The Dominionists do, though!!!

HUMANS are the ones who have to fix things. Not some supernatural entity, or some "Pastors" who say they are "exorcising" demons.

Why can't you understand that? WE HAVE TO DO IT OURSELVES.
There is NO ONE "coming back" to fix it. There is no one coming to "save us."

Hell, there's not anyone paying any attention from 'on high.' There is only US>......It's WE - here, we people who live here now, who have to fix things.







Ha. I knew you'd change it.

I believe that demons exist (go ahead and laugh, I don't care), but that doesn't mean I think that everyone/everything is demon-possessed, or that a mass exorcism would do any good, or anything for the U.S.

A depression in the earth gathers water when it rains, and then the sun dries it out, but when it rains again, the puddle will return.

a reply to: BuzzyWigs

Yes, I missed a word, so I edited myself. So sue me. You will anyway.

a reply to: BuzzyWigs

Interesting, but there was only one thing that had the power to keep that dark entity away in that house, and it wasn't my wishful thinking.

a reply to: ketsuko

So sue me. You will anyway.

What???

That makes no sense at all.

originally posted by: ProfessorChaos
I believe that demons exist (go ahead and laugh, I don't care), but that doesn't mean I think that everyone/everything is demon-possessed, or that a mass exorcism would do any good, or anything for the U.S.

A depression in the earth gathers water when it rains, and then the sun dries it out, but when it rains again, the puddle will return.

Be careful; you have just been assigned a spot in the vast Dominionist Conspiracy because, as we know, DOMINIONISTS believe in demons.

originally posted by: BuzzyWigs
a reply to: ketsuko

So sue me. You will anyway.

What???

That makes no sense at all.

What, do you mean I am not now marked as part of your "vast DOMINIONIST Conspiracy?"

umm... that's kind of funny because well, in my view, the demons kind of gather in places where there's alot of misery and despair or in places of great wealth and power, so they can influence those with great wealth and power to create more misery and despair in the masses.
so well I saying that the dominists don't believe in them but if they do and half of what is said about them is true, well, they must be the ones helping the demons by creating more misery and dispair!