What if I came up to you and assumed you worshiped Satan?

I love Biology, Evolution, Science in general really. However, as many other people who enjoy debating the validity of the Theory Of Evolution more than understand, misconceptions about it run at what seems to be a pandemic level.

There are many people who reject the Theory Of Evolution for various reasons, the most seems to stem from a religious background.

While we do love discussing the Theory of Evolution with you, it is almost never really about Evolution to begin with, because you come in spouting this and that, when it really isn't what evolution is about in the first place (usually).

This is what makes the least sense to me. If someone truly wants to disprove anything, they would not blurt out such obvious misconceptions about the thing they are trying to disprove.

It's like if I wanted to disprove Christianity and started off the argument by saying "When your Lord 'Satan' created the heavens and the earth, and Noah used his magical staff to start a world wide flood, why then do we still see animals that would have been landlocked and unable to reach Noah's plane before Noah flooded the world with his magical staff?"

Most of the time when we discuss evolution, we have to get over all these hurdles before we can even talk about the validity of it in the first place, simply because of ill-informed concepts that really don't describe what you're trying to argue - so passionately - with us.

I say this in a respectful manner, as I really would love to have a discussion with an individual who rejects the Theory of Evolution, whilst also having at least the basics of the topic understood.

This is not a topic about the validity of Evolution, this is a topic about misconceptions (if you want to discuss the theory of evolution, feel free to make a topic in the science or origins forum and I'll be there swiftly!)

Why would you care?

Unless you're talking about someone with an opinion you truly value. It's the Internet. I've been called all kinds of things better left unsaid.

a reply to: Ghost147

Some people read a book and accept it as truth and reality because their peers do. I read Orson Welles transcript of war of the worlds before. Did you know we were invaded by martians in 1938?!?

a reply to: Ghost147
I have tried to reason this out myself and come to a logical conclusion . Evolution or Creation.When either is boiled down you are still left with too many questions.With my beloved Quantum physics/mechanics there seems to be a rationale when you get down to the penultimate level of an intelligent creation. But then you are stuck with millions of years of evolution from on the Creation side. To top that off some religious texts have the beginning described (in primitive terms of course) that could actually describe events in the beginning of the universe. Such as the Christian Bible (Genesis) . In the beginning there was the void and darkness filled the void and so on. Could both be right or neither ?

a reply to: ketsuko

Why do I care about how people debate a topic? perhaps because when someone comes in with misconceptions alone, there is no possibility to discuss the actual topic.

It's not about me being personally hurt. More-so just an observation of the vast percentage (as in, what seems to be 98%) of opposers of the Theory of Evolution having no rebuttal against the evidence other than misinformation.

originally posted by: Vector99
a reply to: Ghost147

Some people read a book and accept it as truth and reality because their peers do. I read Orson Welles transcript of war of the worlds before. Did you know we were invaded by martians in 1938?!?

Used to replay it on the radio every year on Halloween . Still people tuned in late and panicked . Amazing.
Yes , all too often are we as a people ready to believe at face value whatever a person that is "more important than we are"(imaginary) just because they said it. Like my sig says :there is no room in the modern world for logic. Nor thinking for yourself if you ask me.The latter is a no-no because the other person is 1: always correct 2- if the person is incorrect see 1.

a reply to: Gothmog

Haha, can you imagine if on an episode of coast-to-coast Knory or Knapp did a recreation of it? That audience would buy it hook, line, and sinker!

Push a Satanic "theory" and you should expect it.

imo!


/sarc doesn't work to well without the /sarc.


So /sarc.


Even if I disagree with the TOE.
Satanic is a bit of a strong accusation.

originally posted by: Vector99
a reply to: Gothmog

Haha, can you imagine if on an episode of coast-to-coast Knory or Knapp did a recreation of it? That audience would buy it hook, line, and sinker!

Often thought about something like that. Perhaps recreate for tv using modern day special effects in a format such as it was the news. But , Wells and the production crew did get in MUCH hot water over that one.

originally posted by: Gothmog

originally posted by: Vector99
a reply to: Gothmog

Haha, can you imagine if on an episode of coast-to-coast Knory or Knapp did a recreation of it? That audience would buy it hook, line, and sinker!

Often thought about something like that. Perhaps recreate for tv using modern day special effects in a format such as it was the news. But , Wells and the production crew did get in MUCH hot water over that one.

They also proved people are stupid and will panic unfoundedly.

a reply to: Vector99
Point well taken.

You two must think of the children before pulling an elaborate ruse on the unsuspecting and gullible nitwits across the globe.

Imagine the riots for that one though...

Hmmmm.


*wanders off planning an sinister uprising*

Well said. My education was severely hampered by what I was taught about "science" via a religious family christian private school, and Sunday school. I have had to unlearn so much, and I still struggle separate what I was told science believes and what science actually believes. I feel cheated. I am not even complaining that I was taught creationism as fact. I am complaining that I was taught a fake version of evolution and told that is what people who believe in evolution actually believes.

If i started a huge internet campaign on a grand scale to teach people that Christians believe in that you have to eat oysters the second Tuesday of every month or you'll catch a cold, and they had to deal with sorting out all the misinformation that from new converts, I thin they would share in the frustration.

I think the theory of evolution is crap, not from my belief in god but from my belief in the real McCoy. It was created at a time when not much was known about genetics or gene expression. It is severely flawed on some of it's aspects. Things can evolve backwards leading to regression.

I read it years ago and have read a lot of other stuff that people use to prove it is real, none of which is actually in the theory of evolution itself. You can create evidence by setting parameters to prove something is real but this is just a scam when that is done.

I believe we evolve all the time. I believe we can get ten thousand years of evolution in a couple of generations. Or a species can go a million years with little evolution under the right circumstances. The theory of evolution does not consider the friendship between species or their desires to live in harmony in their location. A cat can befriend a mouse and never hurt it, sharing it's food with it yet it eats other mice it does not know. How does this fit into evolution, it is not so cut and dry a subject. Anytime someone makes conclusions such as in that theory I know that the person is not correct. If there were written exceptions and parameters listed by the creator and many disclamers as to why it may not apply, I would believe it more. Science is not cut and dry, this theory expresses too much exactness and is said to apply to everything. Nothing about will or personality is expressed, everything has some sort of consciousness.

No disbelief here because of religion, but I believe this theory is just as bad as the creationist theory.

I believe God uses evolution in the process of creation. Therefore, both creationism and evolution are correct. Everyone wins.

a reply to: Metallicus

But what then created God? According to religious terms, everything was created. According to science energy can neither be created nor destroyed. So if God always was, then so was everything else.

a reply to: Ghost147

I went to buy two Krispy Kreme donuts from the local gas station this morning.
I left my money at home (half mile away).

When I returned I saw a really cool hand painted baby blue, with *woodgrain factory decals, 1989 Dodge caravan mini-van at the gas pumps. (just a wonderful sight!)

Being awe inspired by this beauty I felt compelled to tell the owner how much I liked his van.

During this conversation a man with a flat top hair cut (aprox age 75-80) got into my car, put his key into the ignition and only then realized he was in the wrong car (after his key didn't work).

Tom, my new friend the van guy ( owner of the beauty), and me watched this.... Both with amusement.
I said to Tom "hey look at that guy, I did the same thing one time, got into a car that looked just like mine,
It freaked me out when I realized I wasn't mine!..
My next thought and reply was "I hope his key doesn't work! or I'll be screwed"
Well It did't and all of us ended up up having a good laugh about it.........

Conclusion: I made 3 new friends , Tom the van guy, the sweet cashier who "held two donuts" "til my return with 2$.
And that cool old guy with the flat top who thought my white 1995 Toyota Camry was his grey same sized Buick parked right next to it.

Deeper conclusion: This sh*t ain't random baby.

IS IT A:
-Intricate SIMS game?
-Something created for God's amusement?
-Random happenstance?
OR.....
Something much deeper?????

lyric's from an old song I like........"I don't want to start an blastfymous (sp) rumors but I think that God's got a sick sense of humor, and when I die I expect to find him laughing."

And I truly do.
Because if he/she or it hasn't been paying attention to my screwed up life they have missed a hell of a show.
but hey....I would gladly repeat it if he/she/it see fit

originally posted by: rickymouse
It was created at a time when not much was known about genetics or gene expression.

This Is A Misconception

This is what really is happening: Darwin's theory is no longer the pinnacle view of the theory of evolution. In the early 20th century the modern evolutionary synthesis integrated classical genetics with Darwin's theory of evolution by natural selection through the discipline of population genetics. Although much of Darwin's theory is still very accurate, there have been changes since due to more modern discoveries.

originally posted by: rickymouse
It is severely flawed on some of it's aspects. Things can evolve backwards leading to regression.

This Is A Misconception

This is what really is happening: Evolution never claims to only get better, bigger, stronger, faster. If a trait is no longer beneficial to a species, they tend to lose it. Such as Eyes, for species that have since migrated to a darker environment. The loss of previous mutations still falls perfectly within the Theory of Evolution.

originally posted by: rickymouse
I believe we evolve all the time. I believe we can get ten thousand years of evolution in a couple of generations. Or a species can go a million years with little evolution under the right circumstances.

This Is A Misconception

This is what really is happening: The Theory of Evolution actually does support a faster or slower form of evolution. Here's a scientific article that shows it:

Rates of Phenotypic and Genomic Evolution during the Cambrian Explosion

originally posted by: rickymouse
The theory of evolution does not consider the friendship between species or their desires to live in harmony in their location. A cat can befriend a mouse and never hurt it, sharing it's food with it yet it eats other mice it does not know. How does this fit into evolution, it is not so cut and dry a subject.

This Is A Misconception

This is what really is happening: The evolution of a species does not get effected from individual to individual. Adaptations occur and stick with populations. And we DO see incidences like the one you are suggesting, with populations too.

It's called a 'Biological Mutualism'. Mutualism is the way two organisms of different species exist in a relationship in which each individual benefits from the activity of the other.

originally posted by: rickymouse
No disbelief here because of religion, but I believe this theory is just as bad as the creationist theory.

Thank you for proving my point made in the OP

a reply to: Ghost147


Not one of the things you quoted was actually in the original theory of evolution. People are constantly saying darwins theory says these things but it does not. Other scientists are adding in new evidence to justify the theory when in fact the original theory is now full of patches like a tire that is running down a railroad track with spikes sticking up. Patch after patch will not make it right because the patches are not attached to the original theory in teachings. This means that there is a possibility for misinterpretation by the students.

It's got to be reworked. It is being seriously misapplied.