Bakers Ordered to Pay $135,000 for Refusing Gay Wedding Service

originally posted by: cavtrooper7
a reply to: Annee

Actually one of my IC jobs in a cleal room on the graveyard shift I was "let go" because I scared the night manager.
Does THAT count?

You're not exactly Warm and Fuzzy

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: blupblup
Nice - more good news for the day.

Why don't you make a thread on what's important to you?

Equal Rights -- Equal Treatment is very important to me.

It's also a global issue.

Eh?

Nm

a reply to: Annee


I'd imagine so.
After I read about the Battle flag being taken down I then saw this thread and remarked that it was more good news.

originally posted by: blupblup
a reply to: Annee


I'd imagine so.
After I read about the Battle flag being taken down I then saw this thread and remarked that it was more good news.

Sorry. Deleting posts.

Yes. Good news.

a reply to: Annee


No worries.

Over the years I've been involved in most of the "gay bakery" and "gay B&B" threads.

Even authored my own 4 years ago.

www.abovetopsecret.com...

originally posted by: blupblup
a reply to: Annee


No worries.

Over the years I've been involved in most of the "gay bakery" and "gay B&B" threads.

Even authored my own 4 years ago.

www.abovetopsecret.com...

a reply to: Annee

Ah but THAT could have been an example of social harrassment.I spoke when spoken to only.
But there MUST be a seperation between emotion and a professionally run business.
Temping in Colorado...

originally posted by: cavtrooper7
a reply to: Annee

Ah but THAT could have been an example of social harrassment.I spoke when spoken to only.
But there MUST be a seperation between emotion and a professionally run business.
Temping in Colorado...

Would need details.

As per usual, I'm sure there is "more to the story".

a reply to: Annee

Not really I was talking about military stuff to a vet mostly who asked me about what Cav did.
I showed some art to hi once on break but something scared him..
Vets vibe I guess.

a reply to: Krazysh0t

The truth is not always objective. In fact, it usually isn't. Especially when talking about concepts that humans have designed or invented. The idea of slavery being one of them.

The truth is always objective. Otherwise it wouldn't be true. If two premises are held to be true, yet they contradict one another, then one or both of the premises is false.

It can't be objective. It HAS to be subjective. Because a solution that applies to one situation shouldn't necessarily apply to another situation with different circumstances. Subjectivity allows for fluidity in these situations. You can analyze precedent to see what previous people decided on the matter, but you can also take into account the current situation's circumstances and rule differently. Objectivity would mean that the person caught stealing an ipod from the store would share the same fate as someone caught stealing food to feed his starving family.

Laws can hold no real authority if they are held to be subjective. It would be too fluid, and it would therefore have no form or substance. it would become very difficult to predict what a law meant because it would arbitrarily change based on random whims. Rights, for example are not subjective, but objective. Otherwise, they wouldn't be rights but privileges granted by the subjective whims of the majority. Subjective reasoning is what allowed the "home of the free" to be free and yet own slaves at the same time.

This got me thinking, how many people has he made Cakes for that has been divorced?

Or that has done any of this

leviticusbans.tumblr.com...

He has to have a vetting process if he wont bake cakes that go against his Religion right?

I don't think the First Amendment covers the for-profit businesses as they are not churches or religious entities.

Here's an interesting article on this: blog.constitutioncenter.org...

This has been debated for many years so obviously they are well aware of this.

a reply to: Darth_Prime

This got me thinking, how many people has he made Cakes for that has been divorced?

Here's a funny article but it does make you think: www.patheos.com...

originally posted by: cavtrooper7
a reply to: Annee

Not really I was talking about military stuff to a vet mostly who asked me about what Cav did.
I showed some art to hi once on break but something scared him..
Vets vibe I guess.

I've had mine.

Never let a husband of a husband/wife business hire you (if you are young and female) as his personal assistant. Especially, if his job is plant management and hers is office management.

a reply to: Annee

They won't....

a reply to: Deaf Alien

Because people are such Cafeteria-Christians when it comes to everything except GLBTQ+ people

originally posted by: conspiracytheoristIAM
There is a simple solution, if you don't want to bake a cake for someone for whatever reason. It would eliminate these problems. Here's a scenario......

Guy comes in and wants a cake...you don't like him. Guy says that he wants a chocolate double decker with whipped cream . You ask the guy how big would you like this cake to be? Guy says, maybe 16" x 24". You , the baker think that would cost , maybe $40.00 . So, you tell the guy that cake you'd like would cost $495.00. Guy says okay, so you call up a baker friend of yours and order the cake the guy wants to be delivered to your bakery. You don't have to bake a cake for this guy , that you didn't like , and you made a huge profit cause this guy is unlikeable and a bad shopper. Or the guy says that's too much for a cake that size and stomps out of the bakery complaining about highway robbery. Either way......you solved the problem by not refusing anything....you made the customer refuse or accept your offer.

While that would be a solution for some people, I don't think it would be a fundamentalist Christian solution. In fundamentalist Christianity, gay marriage is a sin, and lending support to sinful behavior is also a sin. So, a fundamentalist Christian cannot under their moral code, bake a cake for a gay wedding, regardless of the price.

I'd like to put a hypothetical scenario out there for you. You move to a country where it is allowed under law for a nine-year-old to marry a 40-year old. So, a 40-year old comes into your hypothetical bakery and says he wants a cake to reflect the youthfulness of his nine-year-old bride. Is that something you would consider immoral behavior? Upon seeing the horrified look on your face, he tells you he won't be planting his seed until she is at least ten, maybe even ten and a half. So, do you arrange another baker to bake the cake and re-sell it to this guy for a 300% profit margin? I would personally refuse to sell the cake in this scenario. Furthermore, increasing your profit margin based on the sexual orientation of the customer would still be illegal.

I don't think gay rights activists would say "oh but getting married is a right, so the cake baker must now be forced to bake a cake for the child wedding".

originally posted by: cavtrooper7
a reply to: Annee

They won't....

He did.

This is BS. People should never be forced to do something against their values and having different values should not exclude you from conducting buisness.

I care less about gay marriage but I understand homosexual behavior makes some straight people's skin crawl. It seems abnormal to see two men kissing. It makes me ill to see, so I get it.

On the other hand I have no problem having dinner with a gay married couple enjoying each others company so long as its not sexual in nature.

Why can the government force me to do something that makes my skin crawl?

Why can't gay people go to another bakery where the owner is more relaxed with homosexual behavior?

Again I actually fine with gay rights so long as they don't affect me.