video..Dallas cop threatens to break 14 year olds neck

originally posted by: Mandroid7
This is why every encounter with the police needs to be video and audio recorded and uploaded real-time.

If our leaders won't protect us, then it is the only other option.

Get the app on your phone and start it the minute you see them.

Evidence, exposure and massive lawsuits will force change.

What a tough guy.

What app are you referring to if you don't mind?

originally posted by: alienjuggalo

originally posted by: abeverage
Oh I am seriously interested in how this one will be defended here...

The usual defenders probably wont bother in this thread.. I think it will be hard to defend that lol

What's to defend?

I know it's better for the folks that like to lay blanket hate around when somebody tries to defend something but in a case like this one, what's to be defended? There's no reason to speak like that to somebody who's copping an attitude with you. Greaaaaaat, the teenager who's mom just arrested isn't being a nice boy for you. Be the biggest toolbag you can be and maybe you can get him to take a poke at you and arrest him for it!

Sorry, I know it makes it harder to hate (but we all know the blanket haters will still manage to do it, since posts like these are conveniently ignored ) but some of us are perfectly capable of seeing when the line is crossed. As it was here.

a reply to: charolais

This one form the ACLU is my guess

Here is a PDF document that goes into detail about the features of the app if anyone is interested.

originally posted by: real_one

originally posted by: abeverage
Oh I am seriously interested in how this one will be defended here...

"But we don't know what happened before filming started"

And that negates his total lack of professionalism how?

originally posted by: abeverage

originally posted by: real_one

originally posted by: abeverage
Oh I am seriously interested in how this one will be defended here...

"But we don't know what happened before filming started"

And that negates his total lack of professionalism how?

My post was sarcasm, hope that answers your question

I was not defending this thug, I was responding to another member's question where they asked how the apologists will defend this one.

Simple misunderstanding between you and I it appears...

a reply to: jimmyx

I used to guard one of those. We were having a string of burglaries and got an alarm call. We found an open door at an unoccupied house and a car that didn't belong parked down the street. The police never responded to the alarm so rattled their cage to get them out there.

About the time they arrived, a car pulls up, drops somebody off, who gets into the car that doesn't belong. I make contact, I find out she followed a friend in without a pass to go to bible study- no big deal. The cop gets back out of the house and tells me and my boss to get lost, and takes over talking to the old lady. A few minutes later, they are screaming at each other, the cop starts to cuff the old lady, the old lady stops yelling, the cop stops cuffing, the whole thing simmers down, and the cop comes over to get our story in line with ours (we had been watching from about 100 ft down the street still).

Long story short the cop had to get some questions answered and went right to intimidation with the wife a lawyer, and was now was still laughing and standing by her conduct with us, and making sure we were going to write down just enough to indicate her story but to leave her wiggle room, but she was obviously a little nervous that she had accidentally followed the wrong set of rules in the wrong place.

There are different rules for rich and poor but they aren't official- the cops are expected to figure it out for themselves- and sometimes they can't turn it off, because it's not just a procedure to abuse people, it's an engineered behavior that is encouraged by every controllable element of the law enforcement system, from the outdated communication and evidence gathering, to the emphasis on weapons and training for violence, to the lack of depth in their training to respond to situations, which is basically "maintain control- information and orders shall flow in one direction only and compliance is the only result whether before or after conflict- any conflict shall be persistently escalated until resolved in our favor"

a reply to: Shamrock6

As someone who might be familiar with this type of situation and how they are handled, what are your thoughts of his partner not reporting him. The article does mention his partner being there.

How would you have handled this as his partner, or at the very least what would be normal protocol after witnessing such an act by your partner.

Are there generally policies implemented to report this type of behavior?

In no way whatsoever am I implying that you act like these ones, I would just like your point of view if possible. There are too many partners who stay silent in these situations.

a reply to: alienjuggalo

The cops is back on the job after three days? That kid and his family ought to watch their backs in case of reprisals. I've known people that have reported cops like this one and have been harassed for it.

originally posted by: The Vagabond "maintain control- information and orders shall flow in one direction only and compliance is the only result whether before or after conflict- any conflict shall be persistently escalated until resolved in our favor"

extremely well put

a reply to: RoScoLaz4

If a cop takes off his badge in the manner described, I would acquit anyone who shot him in the face right then. That's an obvious statement that the law has nothing to do with what's about to happen to you.

What app are you referring to if you don't mind?

There are a ton of them. I havn't tried any yet, but if you do a quick goog search, you will see them. Just look for the one that's compatible with your device. Android/apple etc...

Play around with em' and see which is the easiest to use, and can be activated the quickest.
..Or pull over REALLY slowly, while you enable the recorder.

Here's a short list...
Steambox, Periscope, Meerkat,, Kickflip.

a reply to: Shamrock6

Gosh shamrock, when you make post like this I feel bad about the first few conversations we had on this site!

What do you think leads to a cop doing/acting this?
Not loaded, I promise, just wondering if you see anything that would lead to it.

a reply to: Sremmos80

The donuts were finished and his roid rage took over.

Or the donuts were finished and he was hired despite his psychopathic tendencies.


Somewhere along the line, the donuts were all finished damnit.

Looks like he deleted his twitter account

Terigi Rossi (@bmfbull) | Twitter
twitter.com...
The latest Tweets from Terigi Rossi (@bmfbull). Italian Beast who loves sports and is tired of people disrespecting each other!. PLANET EARTH.

"tired of people disrespecting each other!."

Really? He should look at himself.

Two pieces of shiite eh? So class war comes to Dallas, and this policeman is...well one step up, or something else.
Maybe it's to do with too many visits to the rarified Green room!

a reply to: CharlieSpeirs

I can get like that too when some one takes the last donut that I was eyeballing....

a reply to: Sremmos80

There are people with any agency (as there is in any profession) that are jerks for the sake of being a jerk. Maybe daddy didn't hug them enough, maybe their kid told them to go fly a kite that morning, maybe the wife was in a mood. The possibilities are endless but it could just be a bad day (it happens, as much as anybody wants to poo-poo the notion) or the guy could just be a jerk, period. There's a guy in my agency that nobody really cares for. He's just as much of a jerk to fellow officers, dispatch, rescue squad, and firefighters as he is to citizens. That being said, I don't know whether he's ever threatened to break anybody's neck, either.

@ real - his partner should have, if able, told him to chill the hell out and taken over with the kid. I didn't watch the whole video (something came up, hence the delayed replies) so I don't know what his partner was doing while all this was going on. If the partner was talking to mom and wasn't nearby then it's hard to pin the blame on them for not saying anything. If I'm dealing with one person at a squad car and another officer is talking smack to somebody 20 feet away, kind of hard for me to hear it, let alone do anything about it. It sounded to me like he lowered his voice when he said what he said, so I can't imagine anybody more than a couple feet away was able to hear it. If I'm mistaken about who was where in the video, by all means point it out to me.

As far as reporting it if it WAS heard, it's something that would go to the sergeant. Who could do anything from talking to the officer who said "it" to find out what his problem was to getting an official reprimand and a suspension. But to be honest it's not something somebody is likely to get fired over.

Bottom line is he was out of line by a mile. Any form of threat (yes, threat) issued by a LEO should be limited to things like "back up or you're going to get sprayed" or "drop the gun or I'll shoot you." Those are both threats, but it's more along the lines of stop doing what you're doing or I'm going to have to do "x." Threats like "I'll break your neck because you're a teenager and are being mouthy like every other teenager" are wildly unnecessary and unprofessional.

ETA - sorry for the novel

a reply to: Shamrock6

Thank you for the well thought out reply, I sincerely appreciate it.

If you don't mind (no obligation to answer if you are busy) I am wondering what you meant by he would probably not get fired over it. Did you mean the one who said those things or the one who didn't report his partner?

IMO if this situation played out exactly as it was portrayed, and can be proven, then both officers should be dealt with, in addition so should their superiors. Looks like it's time to clean house over there, just my opinion of course.

The fact this guy threatened to break a kids neck and still has a job (so it appears) kind of makes me wonder. I think all of them from the responding officers to the upper chain of command are somewhat liable in different aspects.

We've had our encounters in the past but all I am looking for is civil discussion.

I once told you I never met a good cop, well that was incorrect. Regardless of all this rampant bs, I've met quite a few good ones but my "blanket hate" which you may misinterpret is well directed and very valid.

Hopefully we can all get past this divide and conquer distraction and realize who we all work for and unite before it's too late because at this rate we will be at each others throats soon. Not you and I but I mean society as a whole.

At the end of the day we all go home and wish for something better.

originally posted by: alienjuggalo

originally posted by: MoreBeer

originally posted by: alienjuggalo

originally posted by: MoreBeer
a reply to: alienjuggalo

Do you actually do anything other than moan about police?

You're a perpetual victim.

someone has to to fu$%$%% do something.

You want to do something?

Clean up the cause of these types of police. The #ty inner cities and the #ty ghetto residents they have to police.

They are an effect of the situation not a cause of it.

So lets just blame everything and everyone else instead of the cop. Sounds about right..

Haha you mean what you're doing? What you do in every single anti cop thread you create.

Blame everyone else but the people who need to be blamed for creating these situations.

Yep sounds about right. Zero personal accountability. They didn't do nothing.

a reply to: real_one

Well, after reading the article, the partner says she was in the car with the mom at the time Rossi was talking to the kid. Frankly, for me, she gets a pass. I don't think it's fair to hold her accountable for something her partner said while she was in the car dealing with mom. Had she been standing there with Rossi and the kid it would be different.

It appears that Rossi either flat lied or manipulated events in his report. The problem is that he got lucky and the stuff he twisted/lied about is the stuff the video either doesn't show at all of doesn't show very well. Aside from capturing his comments clearly, the video doesn't definitively support what the teen said Rossi did. The kid says Rossi put his arm around his neck, Rossi says it was around his shoulder in a consoling manner (yea, okay). The video doesn't show that interaction enough to prove it either way, so it becomes a case of he said he said.

After reading the article it's pretty clear that Rossi is a crapbag. He was kicked off SWAT for sleeping on duty. To me that's worse than purposely being slow to answer a call or ignoring calls.

As for the blanket hate, I'm very aware that there are entire agencies that are, at best, awful. And if you spend your time dealing with that agency, it's hard to not come to believe that everybody is like that. But I would just say that for every agency that's like that, there's one that's at the opposite end of the stick. My agency celebrated the end of the school year by having officers ride bikes with kids from a park and parking lot to their schools. So a bunch of elementary age kids got to ride their bikes a few blocks with a police escort and one of the schools even had the FD park out in front of the school with their lights on and all that stuff. Smiles for miles that day. It comes down to the agency culture. Some agencies know who they serve and why, others have forgotten.

ETA - I got sidetracked by food halfway through. I mentioned Rossi lying or distorting events in his report to say that I think THAT is something he could be terminated for. If it was provable. The problem is the other stuff I said, about how what he lied about is something the video isn't clear cut about.

As irritating as it is, police work, including policing our own, often becomes a case of "it's not what you know it's what you can prove."