Alien Origin Concept

originally posted by: Barcs
a reply to: Blue_Jay33

Does anybody honestly believe that we all just came out of nothing? I'm pretty sure that neither science nor religion nor any alien related theory claims that anybody or anything just popped into existence from nothing.

Everyone who believes in the "Big Bang" would have to say yes to that.

a reply to: Blue_Jay33

Ahh back to this topic yet again. At least you seem to have stopped linking evolution to origin.

Its possible, but highly unlikely.

a reply to: RealTruthSeeker

Show me where Big Bang theory says anything came from nothing.

originally posted by: RealTruthSeeker
Everyone who believes in the "Big Bang" would have to say yes to that.

Wrong. Big Bang theory states that all of the energy was already there prior to big bang. Why do people just arbitrarily make blatantly wrong statements like this? If you wish to be a "real truth seeker", then actually learn about what you are talking about. It's the only way.

originally posted by: Barcs

originally posted by: RealTruthSeeker
Everyone who believes in the "Big Bang" would have to say yes to that.

Wrong. Big Bang theory states that all of the energy was already there prior to big bang. Why do people just arbitrarily make blatantly wrong statements like this? If you wish to be a "real truth seeker", then actually learn about what you are talking about. It's the only way.

This is what makes the least sense to me. If someone truly wants to disprove ANYTHING, they would NOT blurt out such obvious misconceptions about the thing they are trying to disprove.

It's like if I wanted to disprove Christianity and started off by saying "When your Lord 'Satan' created the heavens and the earth, and Noah used his magical staff to start a world wide flood, why then do we still see animals that would have been landlocked and unable to reach Noah's plane before Noah flooded the world with his magical staff?"

Why is it so difficult to do one quick Google search, so they wouldn't embarrass themselves with misinformation?

The epitome of irrational mentalities....

originally posted by: Barcs

originally posted by: RealTruthSeeker
Everyone who believes in the "Big Bang" would have to say yes to that.

Wrong. Big Bang theory states that all of the energy was already there prior to big bang.

I know that already, I just didn't feel like giving a big sermon. We all know that science believe's everything was created out of nothing, no matter where you start. If you want to say it started with energy already there, fine, but where did the energy come from? If it started from a singularity, where did the singularity come from? And the list goes on. It's the flaw that they can't get around, something is always there first in order to get things in motion.

But who, or what is putting these things there? They can't answer that, or at least they don't want to admit what the most logical answer is.

originally posted by: RealTruthSeeker
If you want to say it started with energy already there, fine, but where did the energy come from? If it started from a singularity, where did the singularity come from? And the list goes on. It's the flaw that they can't get around, something is always there first in order to get things in motion.

So energy can't have always existed, but your particular version of a god can? Your argument makes a better case against the likelihood of gods than it does against energy.

a reply to: RealTruthSeeker

But who, or what is putting these things there? They can't answer that, or at least they don't want to admit what the most logical answer is.

but IS it the most logical answer? thats why they call it "god of the gaps" fallacy. because instead of allowing the evidence to tell you whats there, you see a blank spot and decide what YOU think the most convenient space filler is or should be. working around your ignorance instead of eliminating it. and god is just an all-around space filler, right? lets not make the mistake of confusing "obvious" with "easy".

a reply to: Ghost147

Because strawmans are easier to refute.

originally posted by: TzarChasm
a reply to: RealTruthSeeker

But who, or what is putting these things there? They can't answer that, or at least they don't want to admit what the most logical answer is.

but IS it the most logical answer? thats why they call it "god of the gaps" fallacy. because instead of allowing the evidence to tell you whats there, you see a blank spot and decide what YOU think the most convenient space filler is or should be. working around your ignorance instead of eliminating it. and god is just an all-around space filler, right? lets not make the mistake of confusing "obvious" with "easy".

The truth is they don't have the answer, or any evidence for that matter. They make up new theories every day about how the universe was started and not one of them can ever be proven. It takes alot more faith to believe in the big bang than it does God. This is one of my favorite subjects so I'm going to put a thread together (because we are getting to far away from the alien idea) where you guys can rain fire and brimstone on, it should be fun.

originally posted by: RealTruthSeeker

originally posted by: Barcs

originally posted by: RealTruthSeeker
Everyone who believes in the "Big Bang" would have to say yes to that.

Wrong. Big Bang theory states that all of the energy was already there prior to big bang.

I know that already...We all know that science believe's everything was created out of nothing, no matter where you start.

I can't tell if you made a typo, or if you just countered your own statements within the very same sentence

Science, firstly, doesn't have "beliefs", it has explanations for observations derived by evidence which are subject to change. And there is no hypothesis in science that claims anything was created out of nothing.

originally posted by: RealTruthSeeker
If you want to say it started with energy already there, fine, but where did the energy come from? If it started from a singularity, where did the singularity come from? And the list goes on. It's the flaw that they can't get around, something is always there first in order to get things in motion.

It's not a flaw, it's that we don't have any evidence to make a hypothesis that energy came from anything else. Science doesn't say "we don't understand this one point, so lets make it fit with all of our other explanations and find evidence later on to support it".

Science requires evidence to already exist before it can explain anything. So there aren't any flaws, or holes there. It's just a matter of not having the information (yet) to form a hypothesis. Science does not currently have a theory in the topic you're suggesting.

originally posted by: RealTruthSeeker
But who, or what is putting these things there? They can't answer that, or at least they don't want to admit what the most logical answer is.

Science doesn't attempt to answer all known questions. When an observation is witnessed, the evidence within that observation will be used to form an explanation on it's functionality.

The only flawed thing I'm noticing is your understanding of Science in general.

For someone who's name is "Real Truth Seeker" you sure believe in and spreed a whole lot misinformation.

originally posted by: Blue_Jay33
Is it possible that an alien that lives in another dimension, a non-physical one, put all the dinosaurs and other creatures on this earth, and that they lived for millions of years before they died out because he let them ?
Then he decided to put a man and woman here, putting a diverse genetic code in them allowing for the all the diversity we see today within humanity.
Although he is the supreme alien he has a son and other beings less powerful inhabit this dimension as well, and some went rogue and are evil, and those aliens have a different leader as well. The evil aliens are the source of all humanities problems. What if the supreme alien living in another dimension has time moving at completely different scale than the physical universe, what if he promised to fix all the problems within a week his time.

Is this concept that much less believable than we all just came out of nothing, 100% by pure chance ?

It is possible indeed. I think though that as it is a possibility, we should also give this alien a name and I suggest the name of BOB!

I think that BOB (the builder) is/was/could be/could have been a very inept builder, and as such I hope somebody else, who isn't BOB at all, comes along and fixes things.

I have no trust in BOB now, since I got to know him.

originally posted by: RealTruthSeeker
They make up new theories every day about how the universe was started and not one of them can ever be proven.

And what does it take to make a scientific theory or a hypothesis? That's right, evidence...

originally posted by: RealTruthSeeker
It takes alot more faith to believe in the big bang than it does God.

Once you demonstrate that you actually know anything about science, only then can you make that statement. So far all you've shown is misconception after misconception. You're arguments are worthless because you don't know anything about the topic at hand when you start arguing about them.

At least read the Wikipedia page. Then we can start to discuss the topic at hand, rather than your uneducated, false opinions on things.
Educate yourself here

originally posted by: RealTruthSeeker
This is one of my favorite subjects so I'm going to put a thread together (because we are getting to far away from the alien idea) where you guys can rain fire and brimstone on, it should be fun.

That's nice of you, can't wait to show all your misconceptions are false, yet again. Thanks for the free stars.

a reply to: RealTruthSeeker

and i would be a fool to try to convince you otherwise. any attempt to do so would be met with defiance out of sheer principle. i respect your willingness to at least fight back instead of changing your mind with the wind. although facts are facts, and in this case, they are not on your side of the debating field.

a reply to: RealTruthSeeker

We all know that science believe's everything was created out of nothing, no matter where you start.

We all know this? Can you please provide a scientific research paper that claims this. I know many folks have opinions on the matter (scientists included), but we have no evidence whatsoever to suggest that "nothing" ever existed, so it is an unscientific position.

If you want to say it started with energy already there, fine, but where did the energy come from?

I, as well as most scientists, admit we do not know the answer to that question. That's why scientists study it. Perhaps they will figure it out one day. Perhaps they will discover god one day. Not knowing the answer isn't the same as "god did it".

If it started from a singularity, where did the singularity come from?

If it started with god, where did god come from? The same logic applies. You require invoking fairy tales full of assumptions to even attempt to explain it and still there is no scientific model or evidence to back that up.

It's the flaw that they can't get around, something is always there first in order to get things in motion.

Not knowing everything isn't a flaw or argument in favor of creation. If science knew the answer to everything we wouldn't be still studying the big bang and atom smashing. Every year that goes by, our scientific knowledge increases. It's hilarious that you'd consider it a flaw to not know everything and that you'd use that to insert god into the equation with numerous assumptions and zero evidence.

It takes alot more faith to believe in the big bang than it does God.

Here we go again. Sorry but there is WAY more evidence in favor of the big bang than there is for god. You have to do better than "science doesn't know the answer yet" if you wish to argue against science. Besides, why do you feel that god creating the universe would not happen in a "big bang"? Why are they mutually exclusive? It's downright silly to limit yourself to an either/or scenario, especially when you are guessing.

Please tell me that the thread you are making at the very least addresses the scientific evidence in favor of the big bang and offers valid evidence for god besides using the god of the gaps fallacy.

a reply to: Blue_Jay33

Everything has a purpose so I don't think it's just random

Welp, as expected, the OP vanished and RealTruthSeeker fled the scene as soon as people asked him to back up his claims. No surprise here.

originally posted by: Barcs
Welp, as expected, the OP vanished and RealTruthSeeker fled the scene as soon as people asked him to back up his claims. No surprise here.

Off to start another thread with a ridiculous topic and even more unsubstantiated claims.

And so the cycle continues.

Time is not linear (it just seems that way, because we're dumb), and so anyone looking for a "beginning" or "origin" is already barking up the wrong tree. A beginning and end is an old Zoroastrian myth, and before somebody cooked up that story most cultures believed in a natural universe of endless cycles.