Flat Earthers - Here is your answer ?

This should help also, but it's still not perfect.

Am I alone in thinking that not even a 9 year-old child should be giving flat-earthers any further consideration? Clearly anyone living in the first world who has had exposure to basic science education and still believes this sort of BS is beyond hope.

a reply to: DEANORULES24

I have never given this theory any consideration and don't still...with the exception of a top military general being interviewed on the nightly news last Thursday and she clearly said "the earth being flat." This was in reference to military strategy against ISIL. I rewound the dvr 4 times to make sure she had said that...asked my hubby too. She said it.

Food for thought.

Kudos to your daughter.

My 5 year old knows the earth is round, must be smarter than your 9 year old then.

Is this a contest, are you serious?

"Strangely, Wilmore and the society's president, a 35-year-old Virginia-born Londoner named Daniel Shenton, both think the evidence for global warming is strong, despite much of this evidence coming from satellite data gathered by NASA, the kingpin of the "round Earth conspiracy." They also accept evolution and most other mainstream tenets of science."

"The belief that the Earth is flat has been described as the ultimate conspiracy theory. According to the Flat Earth Society's leadership, its ranks have grown by 200 people (mostly Americans and Britons) per year since 2009."

www.livescience.com...

a reply to: theantediluvian

The problem is stuff like this.



If this was how the sun moved over us and we were flat then High noon would have the sun as huge in the sky above and it would be a tiny pin dot at the horizons. It's not. The sun doesn't grow as it passes overhead and shrink to a dot. Watch a sun set and you can see the sun doesn't get tiny it just sets below the horizon.

Someone should slap the hell out of this guy and "axe" him to go back to school.

a reply to: mojom

I prefer this one.

a reply to: network dude

Honestly, I think we should make a distinction from people who are deliberately trying to confuse others as if they know something they really don't and those who are just confused on how some things work. Not all of this is easy for everyone, I admit it didn't make sense to me for a while either because of how things are explained sometimes. But making others feel bad because they don't understand something isn't going to help anyone either.

Some people have trouble at math that others understand with ease. For others it's language or something else. But nobody is stupid for not understanding something while still honestly trying. They just haven't had that moment of everything coming together yet and making sense. Don't make anyone ashamed about it.

Some of those very same people who couldn't tell you anything about how the moon rises and sets might pick up a guitar and understand music theory as if they'd known it their whole life. Everyone has their strengths and weaknesses. Sometimes they also just haven't had the right person to teach them in a way that they understand.

a reply to: mojom

The whole flat earth thing started as an exercise in debate. Somehow, it has evolved into an actual theory with actual people believing in it. I admit, some who debate the topic are a bit convincing, but in order to really believe it, you have to ignore several obvious facts.

But on this site, and others like it, all you really need to do is show how the gubbamnet can't be trusted, and you have won.

a reply to: network dude

Yah, I know. There are many factors that play in to this actually and one major one is that people think they know much more than they really do or explain in real terms.

Many times, in recent times especially, people think because they can look it up on Google and read it that they know it. We take many things for granted. But I don't think it's productive to slam those who might honestly be swindled either. Some of these people can be convincing with their argument. Not because it's researched but because they make it sound convincing to others. By making someone feel dumb or ashamed only helps drive them to these types of "snake oil salesmen". We don't want that. We want to enlighten people who are lost. Lead them from darkness to the light and help them understand.

As for the snake oil salesmen themselves. They are the targets you need to be slamming. They are causing the problem by whispering in the ears of those who cannot yet find their way and leading them deeper in to dark places.

originally posted by: ignorant_ape

further i have yet to encounter a flat earth claimant who wasnt also a bat-crap crazy religious zealot

Yes, it's funny that, especially when it's supposed to be about the 'old time religion' when the Earth was/is the centre of the universe, and somehow Christ gets into the mix because their thoughts are that because the church adopted old pagan festival dates for Christmas and Easter, (which is true) in the fourth century or thereabouts, there is a need to harken back to the time when there was no celebration of Jesus's birth, when there was only God, even if a prophet had written about a saviour to come before Jesus was born and that time was when the church held that the world was flat, and the centre of the universe, until Galileo and Copernicus in the 15th/16th centuries AD...even though the Greeks had worked it out 6 centuries BC with Pythagorus's work.
It Makes you think then, that the early Roman church, from at least a few hundred years BC right through to medieval times already knew of the Earth as a sphere, and probably not the centre of the universe, (although Copernicus seemingly went along with the idea in his work, but switching from the Earth to the Sun) Copernicus did write about spheres though, while Galileo came right out and said the Earth was round and not the centre of the universe, for which he paid dearly.
To sum it up, IMHO, the flat Earther's were up the creek since well before the birth of Jesus, while the current flat Earther's hark back to the time when the flat Earth belief was among those who had only blind faith, while their religious leaders knew better.

As a footnote, Bart Sibrel who is not a flat Earther as far as I know but is a bit of a religious nut, (I think he likes to talk more about God rather than Jesus), in denying that the space travel and Moon landings didn't happen, is actually denying the flat Earthers current philosophy that NASA only goes into space to make pictures of a false round, spherical Earth to hide the fact that the Earth is really a plane or disc...It's a fecking mess innit!
I have sympathy for NASA in this lose, lose scenario.

Here is a model of the flat earth.

a reply to: mojom

You are right. it was in poor taste. I feel like I should have gone with the much less offensive option:

Flat earth theory is a funny one - your 9-year old daughter has some great critical thinking skills. That is encouraging to hear - I still have faith in humanity

a reply to: FormOfTheLord

Also, you make a good point but The Big Bang is just a theory, and scientists aren't able to actually prove it. They discover things like X-rays and other traces that may have been left behind as a result of the Big Bang, but the theory itself is still just a theory.

a reply to: network dude

LOL



I'm not even sure what to say in response to "Angry Bag".

But I agree he is certainly not amused to say the least.

That's just weird. But I like it.

a reply to: occrest

what utter bollox - thats the polite response

look at the sun - its " magic " the terminator line = straight despite the fact that the distances are not equal - light simly does not behave that way

is the creator of that vid clueless or dishonest ?

Silly people, how can it be hollow if it is flat ?

iv been to the edge, its flat

originally posted by: Bilk22

originally posted by: superman2012
They can also solve this "riddle" by observing the moon as Earth's shadow shows up on it...

Grade 3 science experiment proves them wrong, but they still insist...

How come the moon's shadow isn't cast upon the Earth during a new moon phase? Shouldn't there be a big black shadow on the Earth from the moon being positioned between the Earth and the sun? Also why don't we see a large black circle in the sky when the moon is new?

DUH....IT...IS...CALLED....A.....SOLAR...ECLIPSE......

Jesus H christ time to leave ATS before I catch the idiot virus......

Oh, OK maybe...I will give the OP the benefit of the doubt. Since we don't get a solar eclipse every 28 days why is the moon not "illuminated" on "our" side every lunar cycle. Try trigonometry, try 90 degree angles. In fact anything from 90 to 180 (roughly) will illuminate the "back" of the moon whilst having no illumination on "our" side. Pen paper, coins to mark circles etc etc try it........ ONLY 180 results in a solar eclipse.

Needless to say the angles are more subtle than 90-180 but these are very very very simple for a reason.

Sorry for being condescending but this is ATS where ( I would have expected) at least basic knowledge of physics is surely a pre-requisite before making such comments.

I believe the reborn Flat Earth conspiracy is a clear psyop on efficient & organic propagation of ideas and being able to convert normally sane individuals to completely insane ones.

Maybe from a 5th or 6th dimensional perspective our earth is flat, but we aren't up there without some chill smoke. Know what I'm sayin?

originally posted by: FormOfTheLord

originally posted by: DEANORULES24
My 9 yr old daughter was on youtube. A recommended video came up on flat earth.
So she took a look. She came to me and said " Dad, do you know some people still believe the earth is flat ?"
Then she said, They are wrong, if the world is flat !
The whole world would be, day time or night time at the same time . no in-between
Then she said, " It's that simple"
I hope that solves your answers, a 9 yr old figured it out.

Some people believe many things like the sun goes around the earth, and refuse to believe the earth goes around the sun. Its just the crazy world we live in, some people just refuse to believe science. Some refute the BIG BANG and the age of the earth, in fact the list goes on and on. Some people believe Jesus made the earth period, and everything else is just there to test thier faith lol. . . . .

To be fair, you can't lump all of those things together. The Earth is obviously round. This can be directly observed by anyone taking a very long international journey.

However, the age of the Earth is not obvious at all. It cannot be directly observed by the average person. The average person simply has to accept the answers given to them by other people, who may or may not be correct. I think you were alluding to the 6,000 year old Earth "theory", but you didn't specify, so I had to point that out.

Also, science is in no way infallible. In fact, the beauty of science is that a single new discovery can overturn a hundred years of theories. So I think it is wrong to imply people should blindly accept everything modern science claims is true. Especially when we know that 100 years from now, many of today's conclusions will be proven wrong.