Donald Trump says the right things, you gotta admit.

If Donald really means the things he says, then America he is your man. Of course none of it matters Bush was selected in 2013 as Obama's replacement. What? You actually thought your vote counts.

On Macy's
THEY FOLDED LIKE DOGS UNDER PRESSURE

On unemployment
THE REAL UNEMPLOYMENT IS FROM 19-21 %

On what's happening to America
AMERICA IS GOING STRAIGHT TO HELL IF WE ARE TO BE HONEST

When Don Lemon tried to correct him on stats saying it was about raped women not illegal immigrants.
WELL WHO'S DOING THE RAPING DON, WHO'S DOING THE RAPING

on Jeb Bush
JEB WILL NOT TAKE US TO THE PROMISED LAND, THE MAN IS A STIFF

on Bush Family
THE WHOLE BUSH FAMILY OUGHT TO RELAX, WE DON'T NEED THEM, JUST RELAX SPEND TIME IN BOARD ROOMS AND FLY PRIVATE JETS, NOT ANOTHER BUSH.

a reply to: PredatorCrackling

Not because Trump says the obvious about america being not at its optimum means he'd make a good president.

If I hit my head on the door's frame, and say...

"Ouch, there's a door frame here"

...it makes me state the obvious, it doesn't make me smart.



All I see from Trump is digs at his opponent, mixed with a hint of hispanophobia.

Nothing grounbreaking here.

Nice to see Trump condemning immigrants for ruining a country built by immigrants. It wasn't like the first settler-immigrants that came to the Americas were the cream of the crop of European society. They were considered the rejects of the Western world.

originally posted by: PredatorCrackling
If Donald really means the things he says, then America he is your man. Of course none of it matters Bush was selected in 2013 as Obama's replacement. What? You actually thought your vote counts.

On Macy's
THEY FOLDED LIKE DOGS UNDER PRESSURE

On unemployment
THE REAL UNEMPLOYMENT IS FROM 19-21 %

On what's happening to America
AMERICA IS GOING STRAIGHT TO HELL IF WE ARE TO BE HONEST

When Don Lemon tried to correct him on stats saying it was about raped women not illegal immigrants.
WELL WHO'S DOING THE RAPING DON, WHO'S DOING THE RAPING

on Jeb Bush
JEB WILL NOT TAKE US TO THE PROMISED LAND, THE MAN IS A STIFF

on Bush Family
THE WHOLE BUSH FAMILY OUGHT TO RELAX, WE DON'T NEED THEM, JUST RELAX SPEND TIME IN BOARD ROOMS AND FLY PRIVATE JETS, NOT ANOTHER BUSH.

I feel bad for you if you think these are the right things. Empty rhetoric and attacks on other people. Yeah, what a great guy! /s

a reply to: PredatorCrackling

If, by says the right things, you actually mean that the man has a case of foot in mouth syndrome, and a xenophobic chip on his shoulder the size of Texas, then I completely agree. If however you meant that he says the right things...well... I think your conclusions might be an indicator of your need to re-evaluate things just a little bit.

The Donald is the man. Illegal immigration is a problem and the problem is no one is doing anything about it. If you try to do something about it corporations will try to run you though the mud because there bottom line is threatened and activist and msn will say you hate them because there Mexican. Whatever we are doing now isn't working its good to see someone who is a billionaire who isn't scared of corporations or always trying to be politically correct to please everyone. Vote for the Donald what other choice do we have a Clinton or a bush seems like an obvious choice doesn't it.

a reply to: PredatorCrackling

Seriously?
Are people REALLY considering that egomaniac to be a good choice?

Here's the deal, he's just like every other non-politician business person running for political office, he doesn't know the first thing about moderation, common sense, diplomacy or generally running a country. Like all other business people who go into politics, he thinks it's as easy as hiring people to balance the books, and he's idiotically simplistic in his arrogance.

Why does he "sound good"? Because he's pandering to the simple-minded easy vote, the people who also think it's real easy to make a decision about something like immigration, a knee-jerk idiotic choice where the ramifications are not immediately obvious.

Whether people want to accept this or not, he's ranting about something like immigration and suggests he would simply end it, and getting cheers from the equally simplistic voter who doesn't understand the consequences of that decision (which is why we elect sensible, experienced, moderate people into office), and he's ignoring the FACT that doing so would destroy hundreds of thousands of businesses across the country. And these aren't large corporations with a pool of backers they can hit up for money, these are small, growing, family run businesses who rely on affordable labor by people who are just starting out, in jobs that the average American citizen would not do for that wage.

Please pay attention here:

Your demand for cheaper prices has created a scenario where the corporate retailer has locked farmers into a deal that they have no choice but to accept, and this covers everything produced in America.
In turn, the profits those farmers now make have been slashed over the last 20 years.
Because of this, they cannot survive while paying an American worker the pay they would demand.
Therefore they rely on migrant workers just starting out, paying them less.

The moment you end that supply of migrant workers those farmers either go out of business, or the more wealthy ones start hiring American workers who demand more pay.
That means all your produce goes up in price, along with being harder to get (because how many Americans would actually work minimum wage on a farm?)

But, like I say, the average knee-jerk voter doesn't have the intelligence to think about the ramifications of such a decision, do they? They don't consider what will happen six months after the decision is made, and then when they experience the results of their demands they start blaming the government for the problem THEY VOTED FOR.

It almost doesn't matter if he understands these things himself, because all he's doing is pandering to the simple-minded voter on an issue he thinks will gain more traction, while others actually get that it's not that easy.

Vote for this loon at your peril.

a reply to: PredatorCrackling

One good thing Trump has done is that he single-handedly united Latinos across the nation against him. Sure, the Mexican Americans didn't like him because of his history of bigotry against them, but now, the Cuban and Puerto Rican Americans from the Southeast and Northeast feel a solidarity with the Western immigrants.

East coast Latinos like Dominicans and Puerto Ricans in New York; Cubans in South Florida and Mexicans in California have always blended, but never mixed. That is until now. Trump words have catalyzed some sense of solidarity and “I got your back mentality” among Hispanics.

Maybe it’s because we’ve heard it all before, but never so rudely stated by someone running as a Republican candidate for the presidency of the United States.

Suddenly, Cubans and Puerto Ricans are embracing for one cause. Venezuelans are dancing with Colombians. Argentinians, Uruguayans, Peruvians and Ecuadorans are all coming together. The usual lines of cultural demarcation between Central and South Americans are gone, replaced by a spirit of unity in defiance of a man the majority of Latinos now see as offensive and repulsive.

Source

Keep up the "good work", Donald! LOL!

This is all bull # , Trump is just the latest dog and pony show. This is part of the plan. To make sure a republican gets the office.
Trump pees off the Latinos, that pushes them all toward their Spanish speaking friend Jeb.

They know that the bush name will automatically get blasted over and over again in the media, they can't have that. So they make trump out to be the bad guy instead.
What this does is gives them a template to run against the Dems. Trump brings up all the hard topics. Then when the real battle begins against the Dems. They will have a better game plan of what the Dems can throw at them. Which in turns shows where to pour the money at for damage control and or to attack the other party.

IMO.

So, how true is what Donald is spouting???

From Anecdotes to Evidence

Anti-immigrant activists and politicians are fond of relying upon anecdotes to support their oft-repeated claim that immigrants, especially undocumented immigrants, are dangerous criminals. This mythical claim is usually based on rhetorical sleight of hand in which individual stories of heinous crimes committed by immigrants are presented as “proof” that we must restrict immigration or “get tough” on the undocumented in order to save the lives of U.S. citizens.

While these kinds of arguments are emotionally powerful, they are intellectually dishonest. There is no doubt that dangerous criminals must be punished, and that immigrants who are dangerous criminals should not be allowed to enter the United States or should be deported if they already are here. But harsh immigration policies are not effective in fighting crime because—as numerous studies over the past 100 years have shown—immigrants are less likely to commit crimes or be behind bars than the native-born, and high rates of immigration are not associated with higher rates of crime. This holds true for both legal immigrants and the undocumented, regardless of their country of origin or level of education.

Immigration (legal and illegal) has increased dramatically from 1990 to 2010, so if the Donald had a clue, the crime rate would have increased as well... And the incarceration rate of Native Born men would be mush lower than that of foreign born men. BUT





How does the OP (and all who starred and flagged this thread) explain this? Or do you just keep lying to yourselves because of the fear-based crap in the right-wing media?

originally posted by: Benevolent Heretic
a reply to: PredatorCrackling

One good thing Trump has done is that he single-handedly united Latinos across the nation against him. Sure, the Mexican Americans didn't like him because of his history of bigotry against them, but now, the Cuban and Puerto Rican Americans from the Southeast and Northeast feel a solidarity with the Western immigrants.

East coast Latinos like Dominicans and Puerto Ricans in New York; Cubans in South Florida and Mexicans in California have always blended, but never mixed. That is until now. Trump words have catalyzed some sense of solidarity and “I got your back mentality” among Hispanics.

Maybe it’s because we’ve heard it all before, but never so rudely stated by someone running as a Republican candidate for the presidency of the United States.

Suddenly, Cubans and Puerto Ricans are embracing for one cause. Venezuelans are dancing with Colombians. Argentinians, Uruguayans, Peruvians and Ecuadorans are all coming together. The usual lines of cultural demarcation between Central and South Americans are gone, replaced by a spirit of unity in defiance of a man the majority of Latinos now see as offensive and repulsive.

Source

Keep up the "good work", Donald! LOL!

I also LOL'd, but at the prospect that people are paying any attention to politics or uniting together because of a comment by Trump. If people were pay any attention to politics, any at all, then America would not be anything like it is now.

a reply to: PredatorCrackling

The Donald? Really? Wait, I'm not surprised that you would support that idiot. Birds of a feather as they say.

a reply to: Benevolent Heretic

Are you denying that illegal immigrants are responsible for a a significant number of violent crimes? Or are you trying to muddle the issue? I'm giving the you the benefit of the doubt and assuming you have considered the possibility that overall violent crime rates might be down, but illegal immigrants are responsible for a large percentage of those committed.

That's all OT, anyways. People will vote for Trump if they agree with what he says. Perception is reality, and that's never more true than in politics.

originally posted by: MonkeyFishFrog

Nice to see Trump condemning immigrants for ruining a country built by immigrants.

Immigrants are people who come into a country LEGALLY. Unfortunately, that needs to be pointed out.

Immigrants are background checked, health checked, literacy checked and documented.

Illegal border-crossers are a tremendous tax on the productive in our nation - in MANY ways.

Trump in a foolish and boorish attempt to point that out has played right into the hand the media wanted him too, and he is now being used as a bludgeon against Cruz and Rubio. Go figure.

For all his proclamations of genius, Trump remains a useful idiot.

a reply to: PredatorCrackling

I like his style, but I don't agree that he's always saying the right things.

Plus, do we really need another egotistical corporate billionaire in control of our country--we already have enough of those controlling us from behind the scenes. Let's at least keep up appearances.

That said, I do believe that he would have a legitimate place in the presidential cabinet--one where his in-your-face style won't get him in trouble...and where he can help with our fiscal crisis.

a reply to: MonkeyFishFrog

Illegal immigrants that could not get visa's in the first place because they have criminal back grounds...massive difference.

Nice to see Trump condemning immigrants for ruining a country built by immigrants

originally posted by: OpenMindedRealist
Are you denying that illegal immigrants are responsible for a a significant number of violent crimes?

I can neither deny or support that allegation, but I would think if it were true, a large uptick in illegal immigration would show a RISE in violent crime. I don't know what you consider a "significant number" but those charts show the data.

'm giving the you the benefit of the doubt and assuming you have considered the possibility that overall violent crime rates might be down, but illegal immigrants are responsible for a large percentage of those committed.

Immigration is up, violent and property crimes are down... I don't know how you can figure that "a large percentage" of those crimes are committed by immigrants, legal or illegal, unless you have unbiased data that SHOWS otherwise?

originally posted by: Goldenwilys
The Donald is the man. Illegal immigration is a problem and the problem is no one is doing anything about it. If you try to do something about it corporations will try to run you though the mud because there bottom line is threatened and activist and msn will say you hate them because there Mexican. Whatever we are doing now isn't working its good to see someone who is a billionaire who isn't scared of corporations or always trying to be politically correct to please everyone. Vote for the Donald what other choice do we have a Clinton or a bush seems like an obvious choice doesn't it.

Trump hires illegals and has been sued both by them for missing pay and by unions for Trump using them. Trump's defense is always, he has no idea who works for him. If he does not even bother to keep from hiring illegals what makes you think he will do anything about them other than keep on talking. The fact is he knows without them the economy would tank. And that is Americas dirty little secret, without that cheap labor it all falls apart.

originally posted by: Benevolent Heretic
a reply to: PredatorCrackling

One good thing Trump has done is that he single-handedly united Latinos across the nation against him.

Yup.

And it's a good set up for Jeb to swoop in and ultimately take all those votes away from Democrats.

Part of the master strategy.

Are you sure its illegal immigration ? Debbie Wasserman Schultz Chair of the Democratic Party once said something to the effect of , Those Republicans still believe that illegal immigration is against the law.
The shape of things to come.