ISIL chose to fight their oppressed Palestinian "brothers" (Muslims) over its oppressor Israel!!

Interesting that ISIL would rather punish their slightly bit wayward "brothers" than punish those oppressing their brothers! I mean they would brutallize slightly bit different Muslims, Christians, gays, etc, etc, but not Israel????

Just a little factual trivia by me.... Jews look VERY much like the Caucasian Arabs!!

Source

fighters based in Syria's Aleppo province condemned Hamas for its crackdown on Salafist groups in the Gaza Strip, and its failure to implement a rigid enough interpretation of Islamic law. ISIL takes control of Syria's Yarmouk refugee camp "The point of jihad is not to liberate land ... but jihad as defined by God, is fighting for and implementing the law of God," said one masked fighter

a reply to: johndeere2020

They know if the tangle with Israel they'd get their clocks cleaned and their 'fun' would be over.....

ISIL takes out all other groups who do not follow their beliefs. That group includes Hamas. Hezbollah, Al Quida, Sunnis, Shia etc. And they have to get through others to get to Israel. And they are giving it a good push in Southern Syria where Israel has Druze, tribal militias and Bedouins to maintain a buffer zone. Israel claims to not be involved directly yet but, it would be foolish to think Israel has not been supplying them with weapons and aid.

Recently the Druze requested air support, Israel claiming non involvement in the conflict turn the request over to the US. Now the US has done nothing because the Druze support Assad. And while that is about change with Assad about to lose his last stronghold in the area and Druze leaders in Jordan discussing dumping Assad and joining the Western backed rebels it has not happened yet. Until it does US air support will not come. The problem for Israel is, it does not want ISIL on its border. Yet if it acts and gets directly involved it is likely to be huge boost to ISILs recruiting and likely cause some forces fighting ISIL to change sides. It is the same problem the US would have if it put boots on the ground. In either case it make things much worse. So Israel will pressure the Druze to change sides and then the US will support them with airstrikes. And Israel will turn its attention to making sure ISIL does not gain power in Palestine or Lebanon and cooperating with Egypt in dealing with them in the Sinai.

Israel has been up to it's eyeballs in the Syrian war from day 1.
Given their cooperation with ISIS (sorry, Good Rebels, Not the bad ones) it's not surprising they get their newest lapdog to go after HAMAS.
As a bonus they will probably get to take another chunk of Syria as well. I mean, they need to take it to protect the Druze (who they really don't give a crap about).

Anyone with an ounce of sense and a modicum of critical thinking can see in under 5 minutes who the real directors of this mess are, and it aint some shadowy figures with hard to pronounce scary looking Arabic names!

a reply to: johndeere2020

Op I am Muslim maybe I can address this issue for you .

ISIS have adopted the term salafi( in layman's terms)

a member of a strictly orthodox Sunni Muslim sect advocating a return to the early Islam of the Koran and Sunna.

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However they are not Salafi due to their khuaraij Ideology

From their essentially political position, the Kharijites developed extreme doctrines that further set them apart from both mainstream Sunni and Shiʿa Muslims.

The most respected and knowledgeable Scholars of Islam were /are Salafi , I am also Salafi .

Now the reason for the revolt against Palestinian Muslims is because the majority are ikhwan muslimin ( Muslim brotherhood )

And the Ikwan Muslimin have differing Aqeedah & Manhaaj

The Manhaaj is more general [and or broader] than the Aqeedah;

The Manhaaj is in the Aqeedah [beliefs] and in the Sulook [mannerism] and in the Akhlaaq [morals] and in the Mu’a3malaat [mutual relations and business transactions] in the life of every Muslim and in every field in which the Muslim traverses is called the Manhaj.
As for Aqeedah, then what is intended by it, is the foundation of Imaan [what the Muslim believes] and the meaning of the Shahadatain [Testification] and that which it comprises of and this is what is meant by Aqeedah.
Ajweebatul Mufeedah Anil As’ilati Al-Manaahij Al-Jadeedah [pg.75]
Sheikh Saalih Ibn Fawzaan Ibn Abdillaah Al-Fawzaan [Hafidhahullaah]]

So its all politics coupled with Takfiri

A takfiri (Arabic: تكفيري‎ takfīrī) is a Muslim who accuses another Muslim (or an adherent of another Abrahamic faith) of apostasy.[1]

and Kuaraij Ideology . The problem is you can't just claim someone to be a disbeliever nor can you accuse them because only ALLAH knows what is in the hearts of men .

However ones actions can lead to clear signs of Shirk (disbelief ) and ISIS believes that Ikwan Muslimeen though their Manhaj and aqeedah is a sign of disbelief .

And this is why ISIS wants to fight Palestinians .

Now let me show you why ISIS is wrong for wanting to fight the Palestinians .
“And whoever kills a believer intentionally, his recompense is Hell to abide therein; and the Wrath and the Curse of Allaah are upon him, and a great punishment is prepared for him”

[al-Nisa’ 4:93]

be it Christian ,Jew, Muslim .

this goes to show you that ISIS is not in the market of following Islam and it's teachings proper , they are a political agenda .

I hope this Helps because this is the reason why the want war with palatine


Kap .

Usually a knife doesn't cut its own handle.

a reply to: Kapusta

Thank you, I learned something today.

Second.

a reply to: MrSpad

Every time i read your posts I'm reminded that this forum is not exclusively for tinfoil hats, and there are people here who can consistently provide rational evaluation of current events.
God job for using critical thinking to counter bigotry and ignorance.

a reply to: johndeere2020

Interesting that ISIL would rather punish their slightly bit wayward "brothers" than punish those oppressing their brothers! I mean they would brutallize slightly bit different Muslims, Christians, gays, etc, etc, but not Israel????

I don't think ISIS want to punish or fight the Palestinians. They want punish Hamas (which is hardly represents the Palestinian people), as it refuses to join ISIS, that's all.
It is important to remember that ISIS have support in the Palestinian population: 1 2 3
So there is no need to punish them or fight them, only their government (which don't want to loose power).
But even this, is now changing. There is a long lasting tenssion betwin Hamas military wing (Al-Qassam Brigades) and Hamas political leadership (for all kind of reasons).
Resently both Egyptian and Israeli intelligence agencies alerting that Hamas military wing is cooperating with ISIS in Sinai.

Just a little factual trivia by me.... Jews look VERY much like the Caucasian Arabs!!

LOL WUT?

originally posted by: PredatorCrackling
a reply to: MrSpad

Everything you post is Mirror of MSM and US government propaganda.

US NATO and Israel created ISIS,

You are risking being the last man on earth who doesn't realise it yet.

Sadly enough his post received the most stars which means the majority of the people who've read this thread believe that canned response which reminded me of a copy and paste job that you would find on any state sponsored media outlet

I Couldn't help but chuckle.

You and I can see the obvious but a lot of people still have their blinders on or are purposely spreading misinformation.

ISIS will attack Israel and MOSSAD"S finger prints will be all over it. Anyone remember the dirty bombs Israel were testing a few weeks back?

ISRAEL won't attack itself until the time is right. When they attack themselves isis will be blamed then they will have an excuse to take assad out too.

I guess the time isn't right yet, the people behind isis must not believe the region to be unstable enough yet.

I give it a few more months...

Hope I'm wrong though.

a reply to: real_one

"copy and paste job that you would find on any state sponsored media outlet "
"You and I can see the obvious"
"a lot of people still have their blinders on"
"MOSSAD"S finger prints will be all over it"
"dirty bombs Israel were testing"
"they attack themselves"

"Hope I'm wrong though."

No no, I think you right man...

originally posted by: PredatorCrackling
a reply to: MrSpad

Everything you post is Mirror of MSM and US government propaganda.

US NATO and Israel created ISIS,

You are risking being the last man on earth who doesn't realise it yet.

BS so you will have to increase your count to at least 2 : MrSpad + Yorkshirelad

originally posted by: real_one

originally posted by: PredatorCrackling
a reply to: MrSpad

Everything you post is Mirror of MSM and US government propaganda.

US NATO and Israel created ISIS,

You are risking being the last man on earth who doesn't realise it yet.

Sadly enough his post received the most stars which means the majority of the people who've read this thread believe that canned response which reminded me of a copy and paste job that you would find on any state sponsored media outlet

I Couldn't help but chuckle.

You and I can see the obvious but a lot of people still have their blinders on or are purposely spreading misinformation.

ISIS will attack Israel and MOSSAD"S finger prints will be all over it. Anyone remember the dirty bombs Israel were testing a few weeks back?

ISRAEL won't attack itself until the time is right. When they attack themselves isis will be blamed then they will have an excuse to take assad out too.

I guess the time isn't right yet, the people behind isis must not believe the region to be unstable enough yet.

I give it a few more months...

Hope I'm wrong though.

What makes me smile is you armchair conspirers who cannot tell when someone knows their stuff. Not that MrSpad needs me to defend him but from reading his posts they always come across very well informed and very well presented, completely not MSM and with some really sound conc pts that make sit up and listen and be educated.

And I would hazard a guess you will be wrong, because you are not as informed as some of this sites more interesting contributors.

So your response to this thread is to claim Isreal are going to attack themselves to blame it on ISIS To justify a war with Assad? And then I assume they will hope Iran tries to help Assad and America will step in to bomb Iran?

Why do Isreal want to attack Syria?

Make that 3 also!

a reply to: Forensick

So your response to this thread is to claim Isreal are going to attack themselves to blame it on ISIS To justify a war with Assad? And then I assume they will hope Iran tries to help Assad and America will step in to bomb Iran?

That was not my overall response to this thread but I did mention this very probably scenario. It's not that far fetched

You act as if this is not already common knowledge. Iran and Syria have a defense pact which means they are allies are are obligated to help each other under most circumstances.

IRAN, SYRIA ENTER MUTUAL DEFENSE PACT

Why do Isreal want to attack Syria?

Because that is what they do, they attack their neighbors under false pretenses. Don't you remember that alleged "reactor" which turned out to be nothing of the sort?

With the protection of Uncle Sam of course, happy Independence day!

And then there is this...

And I would hazard a guess you will be wrong, because you are not as informed as some of this sites more interesting contributors.

You may not like the opinions in my posts but to call me uninformed must make you REALLY uninformed.

I will answer some of your questions.

General Wesley Clark:

He was a bit off on the timeline but he was just repeating what he heard.



You still think I am uninformed, did I just inform you of something that you did not know about? Perhaps I can refresh your memory on this as well.

Project for the New American Century


Have you heard of them? Sorry for the Wiki link but it seems that they have taken down their website, perhaps because people realized it spelled out their plans for the middle East which are currently unfolding.

Do your own research from now on since you are so informed. It must suck for you to receive factual education from a tin foil hat wearing "conspirer", as you claim.

Next time I will try to avoid bring facts and logic to uphold your low expectations of me.

originally posted by: PredatorCrackling
a reply to: MrSpad

Everything you post is Mirror of MSM and US government propaganda.

US NATO and Israel created ISIS,

You are risking being the last man on earth who doesn't realise it yet.

I know the region. And have spent time in the region. ISIS started as the Organization of Monotheism and Jihad in Jordan in 1999 with the goal to overthrow the Jordanian Royal Family. They were one of many groups and only gained real notice by assassinating a low level US diplomat bringing Jordan, Israel and the US down on them in Jordan. The escaped to Iraq where they had a small cell. Saddam welcomed them at first as he thought he could use their hate of the Shia to send them to fight them down in the southern marshes.

As would become this groups hallmark card they had no intention on working for anyone and began plotting to remove Saddam, he found out and before they could be eliminated the US invaded. OMJJ now had a new mission to defeat the US and changed its name to AlQuida in Iraq where the would gain a reputation of being brutal and crafty fighters.

While fighting the US occupation Assad released a large group of radicals from his prisons to go fight the US in Iraq in return for amnesty when the returned. They along with other groups swelled what would one day be ISIS numbers. At one point they went mostly underground and a group of the Syrian went back only be tossed right back in prison by Assad.

In Iraq AI formed bonds with other groups some radicals but, most importantly with Sunni militias and Saddam's old officer corps. They changed names to IS hatched a plan to blitz Baghdad and rule the country. It failed. Meanwhile in Syria civil war was raging. US backed FSA and Kurds had found great success and remained in an uneasy truce with radical groups like Al Quida in Syria against Assad. Assad again opened his prisons again and released the radicals hoping the would push the tension between the FSA/Kurds and the radicals into open combat. It worked but, they also made contact with their former brothers in Iraq and ISIS was truly born. They smashed the rebels and the Kurds while Assad did the same avoiding fighting each other to focus on the bigger threat. One the FSA/Kurds had been beaten back ISIS turned on Assad and the other radical groups no fighting all comers.

That is the history of ISIS in a nutshell, where do you think the US and NATO fit in? ISIS has worked against their interests since the start. They fought the US in Iraq and they wrecked the US backed FSA/Kurds chances of taking down Assad. The problem for most people is the think ISIS just appeared or was a new creation. The fact is they are not. They were one of many radical groups that just happened to be in the right place at the right time. To most Americans they just appeared out of thin air because most Americans never heard of them until they were sweeping across Iraq. And people who think the US or NATO or Israel are just a bad. Clueless about ISIS long history under other names, mixing the many different factions in the Syrian civil war up and paying no attention that ISIS disrupted both the US plans for leaving Iraq and taking out Assad.

a reply to: johndeere2020

This is why anyone saying that ISIS is going to establish a Caliphate and take on the west militarily are full of #. ISIS makes enemies of everyone.

a reply to: MrSpad

This is why, ultimately, they'll fail. They have no allies, no friends, that they will not turn on.

Fail, yes, but not until they kill, or cause to be killed, far too many people.