Autism rates exploding in Asia after they adopt western vaccination protocols.

originally posted by: blacktie
children that dont get vaccinated in poor countries rarely show up with signs of autism

If they're not getting vaccinated, chances are poor that they go for other medical reasons.

originally posted by: damwel
Oh Bologna. I don't know of one case myself and everyone I know and their kids are vaccinated.

I know you have more than that in your little sock, dear.
Do you still hold that anyone who refuses vaccinations, ought to be jailed?

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originally posted by: superman2012

originally posted by: Kapusta

originally posted by: superman2012

originally posted by: FamCore
a reply to: damwel

great post - so much substance, deep thoughts.

so because you don't "know of" a single case among all the people you know, all of this is BS. Gotcha

No, because there isn't one case that has been proven to be caused by vaccines. Ever think that maybe they are just getting better at diagnosing it??
Even all the major autism groups are saying this supposed link is bunk. So you know better than them?

Ohh boy someone called in the pro -vax Calvary .

Like I pointed out in my thread .. to you , My Aunt has a Documented case of vaccine injury to my cousin, her son .

The case will be going to court .

but of course this won't make any difference to you ,because you read some corporate funded and backed research paper suggesting that their is no link .

Ever see that movie Equilibrium ?

I believe the title "Cleric" belongs to you .

Like I have told you before, pro-vax is really pro-science, there is no need for a "calvary". If it were wrong, it would only take one case. There is not one documented case of vaccination=autism link. Documented by science, not your mothers cousins friends sisters twins son. Anecdotal evidence is not evidence as much as corelation is not causation.

Keep reaching though. Keep us up to date with your cousins case, I'm interested to see how much money she is willing to waste in court while searching for the boogeyman that hurt her son.

?Corporate funded? So every Autism group is now corporate funded? They all say the same thing. Autism is not caused by vaccinations. Of course you have the internet idiots listening to Jenny McCarthy, Alex Jones, and anyone else that will make a few bucks of the fear of the ignorant.
I love the movie Equilibrium by the way.

vaccine court

Here's a case!

I assure you there is more if you cared to look......
Agreeing with government does not make one pro science, just gullible.

a reply to: Kapusta
Yes. All nuts.

Read about your "experts". What does a radiologist have to do with vaccines or autism?

Research your crazy sources before using them, don't just copy and paste the first article that seems to catch your eye, people will assume you are the same as your source material.

a reply to: pyramid head
So what does Encephalitis have to do with Autism?
Copying and pasting the first thing you find without reading nor comprehending, does not win an argument nor prove any sort of point...
I still believe in science.

Edit:
From your link:

Some observers will say the vaccine-induced encephalopathy (brain disease) documented in both children is unrelated to their autism spectrum disorder (ASD). Others will say there is plenty of evidence to suggest otherwise.

This does nothing to prove anything other than there is no proof it causes, or doesn't cause, it. You can't make a claim without backing it up. Until someone shows proof positive, with proper research, then it is just anecdotal evidence.

originally posted by: Dem0nc1eaner
From Edward Jenner - the present day, vaccines have never been proven to work! If you read the story of how he created the first vaccine, I mean, it's sad and preposterous, but nowhere near as ridiculous as the fact that it has somehow been widely accepted as treatment.

He injected children with pus from cow pox?? Other than the word pox, cow pox has nothing to do with smallpox. Pox is just a descriptive word for an external affect. Cow pox is when "pockes" form on cow udders and small pox is when pox form on children, but the disease is biologically different. The whole starting point was flawed, but he just kept going, mutilating children until eventually the then government realised that Jenner HAD in fact proven something.

He'd proven the physicians could extend their market from a few people who had already gotten ill, likely without much money to pay for treatment, to the entire population of people who needed "preventative" treatment.

Many other diseases that have been "eradicated by vaccines" had already declined to almost null by the time the vaccine had been released. Others that have been "cured" have popped up in other countries, but of course, even though it looks like polio and sounds like polio and blah blah of course it can't be polio because it has been eradicated so it is in fact, a "polio-like" illness.

I don't care how white your coat is, or how many certificates you have on your wall, if you tell me to inject my child with toxins and disease, for their own good, then you sir, are an idiot. But not as much of an idiot as those who smile and nod and take the shot.

that such simple minded thinking exists today blows me away. The science behind vaccination is simple and readily available, yet you choose to live in ignorance and fear. Have fun with that.

originally posted by: SoulSurfer

originally posted by: dreamingawake
/in before this will validate all the nutty anti vaxxers.

Thanks though I'm not in particular anti vaccine, while acknowledge dicussions from friends, etc., that there may be a link with autism and vaccinations, this looks concerning. Looking more into it now.

originally posted by: damwel
Oh Bologna. I don't know of one case myself and everyone I know and their kids are vaccinated.

Well, I know of a few that have children who claim autism after the vaccines. So does that mean we verify this?

Clearly you have not done your research, on thousands of cases proving vaccines are harmful. Anti vaxxer nutter? You have no concept on what the scientific method is, if you did, you would rest on your own opinion instead of false bias.

Sorry, but I am sick and tired of people not doing their homework. But by all means, inject yourself with the latest vaccines, in a way I am glad YOU will. People like you deserve to be vaccinated and learn the lesson the hardway. Don't worry, worse case scenario should you be vaccinated is death as a few cases on the net shows.

What cases? DO RESEARCH and find them. It is interesting enough when people expect others to provide sources, but when the sources arrive they instantly go denial mode and bash at the messenger. The fact that you are on this site, is a good thing though, unless you are being paid to troll. In which case, I advice you, to not be so naive when it comes to allowing a stranger put something in you.

Your mother and father should have taught you that as a child. Question everything, not everything is as black and white as the so called leaders claim it to be,

To the Original Poster

Awesome thread, I had a mild case of autism to which i conclude it was vaccine related. Because I remember being a happy normal child. Also, had I known vaccines contained mercury i would NEVER put what is literally poison in my body. Mercury effects the brain.

To all you skeptics, or deniers, these things are actually happening whether you accept it or not. Instead of fighting amongst ourselves, research extensively the topics, and educate yourselves. Those in power do not have our best interest in mind. And those that think they do, are naive. Welcome to the real world folks, we are being dumbed down as a species. Thanks to ignorance and lazyness. Nice legacy for humanity to leave behind. Good Job. Remember, the clock is ticking and time is running out for ALL of us. But i guess we were too busy calling eachother nutters to pay attention at the incoming catastrophe.

Maybe I should join tptb and help speed things up. After all, this is what people want. Am i wrong? Then why argue about things instead of researching and finding things out for yourself?

Once upon a time, i ridiculed conspiracy topics. Today I am wise.

I meant the "in before" quote as in context to those who will be saying it as it's common in threads of this topic now days.

As mentioned I thank and I do support the OP for sharing this.

The bottom reply was to the "Oh Bologna...." comment which doesn't show in the quote above.

originally posted by: LadyGreenEyes
a reply to: InverseLookingGlass

How anyone can look at the data and still claim there is no correlation is beyond my ability to comprehend. What sort of willful blindness must a person accept to buy into the "vaccines are safe" BS??? Always with cries for the government to "protect us", of course.

How about this; if the vaccines are so effective, pull out all the JUNK from them, and give people JUST the vaccine itself? Set up places to make them, keep them cool, and people go there to get the shots. No additives, no poisons, no BS?

You've answered your own question there.
It is obviously beyond your comprehension.

Correlation does not imply causation.

Google organic food sales and autism and by your reasoning organic food sales must be a factor in the increase in autism.

When you take a real scientific look (an unbiased one too) you'll find over & over again that there isn't correlation, in fact there's no link whatsoever.

www.sciencedirect.com...

For the link-shy here's the skinny:
"Highlights
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There was no relationship between vaccination and autism (OR: 0.99; 95% CI: 0.92 to 1.06).
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There was no relationship between vaccination and ASD (autism spectrum disorder) (OR: 0.91; 95% CI: 0.68 to 1.20).
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There was no relationship between [autism/ASD] and MMR (OR: 0.84; 95% CI: 0.70 to 1.01).
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There was no relationship between [autism/ASD] and thimerosal (OR: 1.00; 95% CI: 0.77 to 1.31).
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There was no relationship between [autism/ASD] and mercury (Hg) (OR: 1.00; 95% CI: 0.93 to 1.07).
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Findings of this meta-analysis suggest that vaccinations are not associated with the development of autism or autism spectrum disorder."

This study just cements previous studies showing the same outcome.
Seriously people, your belief is completely unfounded.
And add to it that the "study" which started all this was fraudulent.

originally posted by: damwel
Oh Bologna. I don't know of one case myself and everyone I know and their kids are vaccinated.

Your scientific research sounds more legit than the actual doctors keeping track of it...... Let me guess people do not get the chicken pox either because you have never seen it before.......


This logic is flawed on so many levels only sarcasm would do. I would write more but whats the point it is like playing texas holdem with my cat fluffy.

originally posted by: pl3bscheese
a reply to: noonebutme

Healthy diets, sanitary conditions, and acclimation.

Let the weak perish, it strengthens the herd.

Giving everyone an award for participation only weakens the sport.

And the award for Humanitarian of the Year goes to....
(deathly silence)

And then he changes his tune when either he or one of his family/friends contract a disease.

a reply to: InverseLookingGlass

What I want to know is how can disinformation agents sleep at night.

a reply to: damwel

Some of the parents themselves may not realize, there are many different levels of severity , that's why it is a spectrum.

My son has it from the DTTAP (Or at least the one that sent him over the edge).

Few know this, but the British government will pay a one off £100,000 to children who have been damaged by the vaccines.

Italy had a pretty famous series of cases which ruled vaccines were responsible for many of these kids problems.

And it seems to be pretty random, but I bet ten, twenty years down the line it is found that something else works in synergy with the vaccines to cause autism (brain damage, immunity problems and gut damage) and not everyone will have been taking the other substance/s.

I am sorry but read my firsts lines, The UK government quietly hands out £100,000 per child (Possibly family) affected negatively by vaccines - while claiming them to be perfectly safe.

OK, be a fool if you please, I am not forcing you.

Side note, we haven't even tried to claim the money, as we were worried it would stop us being able to take those responsible to court one day.

Just something else,

How many of our children must this happen to before the rest of you start believing us?

I don't want it to happen to your child, I am telling you, like many other parents of ASD children - there is a link between the vaccines and Autism (Brain damage) We saw him change the same day, as did most other parents in this position.

Please just be cautious and don't trust in our profit hungry medical industry, blindly at least.

originally posted by: superman2012
a reply to: Kapusta
Yes. All nuts.

Read about your "experts". What does a radiologist have to do with vaccines or autism?

Research your crazy sources before using them, don't just copy and paste the first article that seems to catch your eye, people will assume you are the same as your source material.

What do you have to do with Vaccines ?

a reply to: InverseLookingGlass

So if these kids get the shots, a small amount could 'contract' Austism, which is manageable and not a death sentence. But if they don't get the shots, thousands of kids could die from a plethora of sicknesses and those who survive might have life long complications from such illnesses.

Am I missing something?

a reply to: dr1234

Ignorance and fear? Hardly. I feel SAFE in the KNOWLEDGE that I have a healthy natural immune system, don't get ill often, recover quickly when I do and don't have allergies.

Have fun bleating.

Not sure how this hasn't been posted yet...

healthimpactnews.com...

"Patrick Howley of The Daily Caller has reported that the Obama administration has granted whistleblower immunity to Dr. William Thompson, a senior epidemiologist at the CDC who co-authored and published research on the MMR vaccine for the CDC back in 2004. His decision to become a whistleblower and reveal data that was concealed by the CDC linking the MMR vaccine to autism among African American boys was revealed during the summer of 2014"

And I'm sure all the studies that show vaccines are completely safe are done by those with no stake in vaccine sales, right?

The hypocrisy of the medical community over vaccinations is astounding.
How they can continue to deny the connection between autism rates and vaccination schedules boggles my mind.
Reminds me of the tobacco lobby insisting that cigarettes don't cause cancer -
Right, it's the smoke from them that kills you.
SHEESH!
Children's lives are being destroyed every day this continues.
Maybe this will help sway some Asian countries away from joining the TPP and giving big pharma even more power.

Round-up, a pesticide, was originally going to be marketed as an Anti-Biotic. And one of the biggest pharmaceutical companies came very close to succeeding in marketing it as a pill. Monsanto, the GMO giant, and the Corporation that lobbied and succeeded in making natural, non-gmo corn seeds illegal.

Now it's common knowledge corruption is abundant, and it's common knowledge that if there's money to be made, money will be made......vaccines are a 33 billion dollar business, they are in every sense, the cash crop of pharmaceutical companies. They've marketed them so successfully they've damn-near created an army of religious fanatics that'll fight to enact laws upon people with common sense.

It's common knowledge vaccines will and do help people, but why people give billion dollar conglomerates so much trust is beyond any smart person, or anyone with a lick of sense.

This vaccine fad will crash and burn eventually, just like almost every other medical BS that's pushed on the public, lawsuit settlements will be in the hundreds of thousands. I mean get real, we live in a society that puts Titanium Dioxide in candy that's MARKETED to Children!

I've not been vaccinated and I've not been sick in about fifteen years. I work with the public and am consistently around coughing, wheezing and sneezing.

There's absolutely no reason to have a whole concoction of weird crap mixed in with vaccines, none! Period. And until they take all the crap out of vaccines like Bovine DNA and Monkey, I will never be vaccinated, and anyone that would like to try can say hello to my Mossberg.