The State of UFO Research on ATS

a reply to: TerryMcGuire

I believe the reason sightings are less rare today than they were many years ago is because the governments of the world, and private contractors, have become much better at keeping their projects and testing out of the public eye.

It's my opinion that the extraterrestrial element was introduced long ago to deflect attention away form such tests so that the government did not have to answer for the sightings.

That turned out to be a nice social experiment that is still in effect today.

a reply to: olaru12

I'm in a hot spot, too. I agree with you 100%. After having posted a video of 1 event, I don't feel compelled at all to share any of the videos I've captured since.

a reply to: TerryMcGuire

Your welcome kind sir...

a reply to: TerryMcGuire

The biggest problem is many people that do threads on the ET/UFO situation cannot think outside of the box on their shoulders. As a rule, the thinking in typical threads is narrow in focus and shortsighted to boot. The frequent result is a--goin' nowhere--thread of drivel.

The human experience limits what we can conceptualized about that unknown subject. And some people are afraid. The UFO really are the boogie man under the bed. Sightings are one thing, but best keep the covers pulled up and not think seriously as such things as rectal probes and ET overlords with an agenda telling our better governments every move to make.

The time of simply relaying on sightings and videos is over now that anything can be CGIed these days. There is nothing to believe about in any sighting. You must have irrefutable physical evidence or you have nothing substantial to offer anymore.

It is well past time to start talking seriously about UFOs and what makes them tick. --Not in a physical, technological sense, but we should be asking ourselves what are the motives of the drivers and how does that effect every human being they have come to visit?

Frankly, I suspect that we are at a standstill until we actually do find some sort of safe, non-threatening, microbial life form somewhere. Then we can enjoy those long-delayed conversations that will eventually build to an honest appraisal of ourselves. (But as I'm fond of repeating Jack Nickelson in A Few Good Men, "You want the TRUTH? You want the TRUTH? You can't handle the Truth!" --And that's the truth. So keep the covers up tight.

The state of UFO research world wide is wrapped up in a lot of uncertainty as we try to understand and define things that are currently unknown. As with many other topics here on ATS, there can be a bit of dirt to dig through before finding some little gems of information.

It is good that a lot of questions are asked and verifications are sought after. But to arrive at a judgement before reviewing the evidence is not good form. You tube is part of this digital environment that helps share information on many topics, not just UFO's. Quality investigation is taken case by case, I am yet to see a reasonable case that someone like secureteam10 are intentionally releasing one fake UFO video after another.

If we are to ban all sources of information based on some questionable details then we would all be deaf and blind a long time ago.

There are many reasons for misleading amongst all sources of information, some intentional and some unintentional. As for humans being smart enough to work it all out looks to be one in the hands of natural selection to eventually sort out. Will we remain sheep or take our place amongst the stars?

The more you get into the UFO topic the more you can see the social implications. Finding your nay sayers and others mud singers is a sign you are getting close. Happy UFO hunting.

a reply to: TerryMcGuire

Maybe it's because they left.

originally posted by: introvert
a reply to: TerryMcGuire

I believe the reason sightings are less rare today than they were many years ago is because the governments of the world, and private contractors, have become much better at keeping their projects and testing out of the public eye.

It's my opinion that the extraterrestrial element was introduced long ago to deflect attention away form such tests so that the government did not have to answer for the sightings.

That turned out to be a nice social experiment that is still in effect today.

Certainly this is a standard argument. I could accept it but for the thought that if this man-tech was already so advanced decades ago so that there was truth in the maneuverability of these objects as reported back then, then to what extent has it advanced in the last half century.

Understanding as we to the political machinations of those in power it is believable even more so. However, just how good could all of this really advanced stuff be hidden. Where is the future world this tech would offer? Rather I see toys, cell phones and trinkets, not missions to Mars. But certainly I do not rule out your argument.

originally posted by: abe froman
a reply to: TerryMcGuire

Maybe it's because they left.

Amd that Abe, could be it in a nutshell.

Hi. I never took much notice of UFO claims but then one night with my young son we saw one. It was nothing like the usual UFO pictures and I asked my son to draw what he had seen and it was exactly like mine. It was a huge wheel shape like an old cowboy wagon wheel, it even had the bits in the middle like spokes. It was a massive size and it was slanted and revolving very slowly. If nothing else I'm glad that I got a glimpse of one of these ufos as it wasn't from this earth it was to big and the colour was just white and glowing. Would be real good to know what this thing was.

originally posted by: TerryMcGuire

originally posted by: abe froman
a reply to: TerryMcGuire

Maybe it's because they left.

Amd that Abe, could be it in a nutshell.

A related thought is that the fervent belief systems which fuel
a certain portion of the 'sightings' may be changing.

Perhaps humans are becoming jaded enough to change the
interaction cycle causing the whole thing.

For example, I can't quantify it, but I think that 'new age'
type thinking is fading quite a bit.

If one could graph that accurately, I'd be surprised if it
didn't correlate strongly with that certain portion of 'sightings'.

Kev

Having looked at their tax records, and considering the amount of money organizations like MUFON makes, almost a quarter of a million dollars per year, (most wasted btw) it seems UFOlogy is stuck in 1950s ideas of collecting sighting reports and interviewing witnesses.

MUFON could have designed and have launched their own small satellite (like the Planetary Society recently launched in the form of Lightstail).

SEE: Launch your own satellite for US$8000 - April 22, 2012 Gizmag

This would be using 21st century technology, IN SPACE, to look for "UFOs" entering Earth's atmosphere (since they don't seem to trust NASA or any other space agency):



But instead they spend that money on a storytelling magazine and yearly storytelling convention which poses as a "scientific" "symposium" in much the way MUFON files tax papers which state they are involved in astronomy.

They better hope they are never audited.

Lol!!

I having sat among people attending a MUFON convention, I can say that most MUFON members aren't the most science literate or technology aware people. They also tend to be on the old side so the 1950s way the subject is treated by UFO "researchers" in general, resonates well with them.

As such they don't question why MUFON doesn't much of anything other than collect stories of little if any scientific value.

originally posted by: stepzhen57
Hi. I never took much notice of UFO claims but then one night with my young son we saw one. It was nothing like the usual UFO pictures and I asked my son to draw what he had seen and it was exactly like mine. It was a huge wheel shape like an old cowboy wagon wheel, it even had the bits in the middle like spokes. It was a massive size and it was slanted and revolving very slowly. If nothing else I'm glad that I got a glimpse of one of these ufos as it wasn't from this earth it was to big and the colour was just white and glowing. Would be real good to know what this thing was.

How do you know it was big? It's nearly impossible to judge distance and size of an object at night.

I suspect you may have seen something like this being flown by someone:

KF FX-5 4ch RC Flying Saucer Wheel Six Axis Gyro UFO model Helicopter


Not as exciting as space aliens visiting Earth but probably a lot more likely based on what you posted.

originally posted by: KellyPrettyBear

originally posted by: TerryMcGuire

originally posted by: abe froman
a reply to: TerryMcGuire

Maybe it's because they left.

Amd that Abe, could be it in a nutshell.

A related thought is that the fervent belief systems which fuel
a certain portion of the 'sightings' may be changing.

Perhaps humans are becoming jaded enough to change the
interaction cycle causing the whole thing.

I think it is because most of the people interested in the search for life in the universe now gravitate towards real science being done today ie: exoplanets, astrobiology etc.

Real science has replaced stories and fake youtube videos in the minds of all but the most gullible but especially with a lot of people younger people around my age who in the past might have been swayed by the stuff UFOlogy but now look at that stuff more critically since anyone can tell stories and post CGI vids.

As others have said, most of the UFO people tend to be on the older side. You may notice that there are not many young UFO researchers. I suspect those are reasons for that.

a reply to: JadeStar

I myself have no interest in finding life
somewhere in the Universe (long story
not related to thread).

I don't believe that 'aliens' are visiting
the Earth and there is zero evidence
that 'aliens' ever have.

I don't believe in angels or demons
either.

But there is a phenomenon worth
investigating not related to any
of this.

I was referring to that phenomenon,
not the assumption about such
matters on ATS, on the part of
true believers, the religious,
the one discipline scientists
or the debunkers.

But the folks researching the actual
issue itself are for the most part
quite elderly and secretive.

Our education systems no longer
focus upon the kind of well
balanced minds needed for complex
multidisciplinary problems.

Kev

originally posted by: KellyPrettyBear
a reply to: JadeStar

I myself have no interest in finding life
somewhere in the Universe (long story
not related to thread).

I don't believe that 'aliens' are visiting
the Earth and there is zero evidence
that 'aliens' ever have.

I don't believe in angels or demons
either.

But there is a phenomenon worth
investigating not related to any
of this.

I agree. It's something which should be of interest to those who study perception and psychology along with what certain external stimuli cause our brains to perceive. (ie: like the research done with "the God Helmet").

Some sort of rare electrostatic atmospheric phenomenon may be the culprit.

I suspect that is where a lot of answers to the UFO phenomenon may lay.

Lets face it, interest in the subject waxes and wanes often. Mostly, there hasn't really been any new thoroughly exciting cases lately, so not a lot of interest. I spent years with the subject, and I barely consider it these days, mostly because I feel I've learned most of what's out there.

It's enough for me to believe we're being visited, but also enough for me to believe that aliens have no interest in actually having a dialogue (for whatever reasons), and enough for me to believe that our government appears to be fine with staying mute on the subject also. Must be some arrangement working for all. That said, because of that, any incident will simply be covered up, ridiculed, and relegated to the loony bin files. So real evidence, assuming it's out there, is going to be nearly impossible to come by.

The subject of UFOs, aliens, is much more complex than the TV version, MUfON, or any of the mainstream approaches.
IMO the whole phenomenon is replete with subterfuge, disinfo and lies. Mixed in with the pop meme of UFO is the paranormal, mindcontrol, religion, quantum theory, portals, spacetime distortion, tricksters, mysticism, the occult and disciplines we don't even have a names for yet.

The cosmos is full of mystery and for talking monkeys, veritable infant newcomers, to think they have the senses or intellect to understand it, is absurd.

The doors of perception are opened with keys hidden in plain sight.
The courage to open the doors is not for the faint of heart or those with closed minds. Be armed with the sword of faith and the shield of honor or else be caught up in the maelstrom of madness.

I had this conversation with Nefermore off air recording the ATS radio show on saturday, we said UFOlogy has died period.
We tried to think of a case of import since O'hare and were stumped. Why is this? Did they disappear...or did we learn to debunk too well. Hmm

I'd love a humdinger sighting to show up to get us all twisted.

I think Jadestar brought up some terrific points regarding why UFOlogy is stuck in the 50s. Why do we wait for a report instead of research fully?

There is only one guy I think looking at this phenomena in a clever way;
all round great guy and visual effects LEGEND Douglas Trumball. He has a project called UFOTOG trying photograph UFOs using state of the art photography. He sees the true wander of life in this chaotic universe and that there maybe more of it out there and he hopes he can capture it for humanity.
Trumball has worked on some of the biggest movies of our time, you all would know his visual work. I have spoken with him and he doesn’t not want to the UFO world to bombard him with answers he cannot manage. He just wants to take pictures.

Trumball is wanting to capture objects not visible to the naked eye and then use scientific analysis to quantify the wavelengths and spectra of light emitted by known and unknown objects. UFTOG is unique and true and will be supported by scientific evidence.

We have just completed UFOTOG, a ten minute experimental demonstrative film.
UFOTOG has been created using our MAGI process, involving 3D 4K 120fps imagery.
Trumbull Studios is now fully equipped and prepared to commence production of our first feature using MAGI, along with extensive virtual technologies and techniques on our stage.

douglastrumbull.com...

UFOTOG project, watch vid on someone not collecting money for crappy books or history channel tv shows:



The Magi tech if you're interested.

originally posted by: zazzafrazz
I had this conversation with Nefermore off air recording the ATS radio show on saturday, we said UFOlogy has died period.
We tried to think of a case of import since O'hare and were stumped. Why is this? Did they disappear...or did we learn to debunk too well. Hmm

I'd love a humdinger sighting to show up to get us all twisted.

I think Jadestar brought up some terrific points regarding why UFOlogy is stuck in the 50s. Why do we wait for a report instead of research fully?

Hi there Zazz.

You are right. There are no real interesting UFO cases in this decade at all. There was Stephenville, Tx in 2008 and that Turkish film that seemed come from around the same time. But no more Hills or Travis Walton type abductions or Rendlesham landings seem to happen any more. Truth is if they did the logging crew with Walton would have captured it on their cellphones and the Rendlesham boys would have recorded video on their minicams of whatever it was they encountered in the Forest.

And the truth hurts sometimes.

I don't happen to believe we were ever visited every day of the week. I doubt aliens that looked like us chose to land in remote areas, approach entirely random yokels and tell them of impending disaster if we didn't change our ways (in perfect English of course). Something else was going on. And that something else is not interesting to enough many people.

Research is stuck in the 1950s, because the only way to make money out of the 'phenomenon' is to pander to the now mainly ageing, and mainly American audience that still wants nuts and bolts craft and spindly grey aliens to exist from Zeta Reticuli. They tell the sceptics to be open minded but they are closed minded themselves. Because all they want is to hear about the aliens in their craft and nothing else is on the menu. They want entertainment and so that's what they get.

Of course we may have been visited and it only takes one alien signal, artefact a or even a microbe on Mars etc. to be discovered to change everything. But it really looks like our scientists will find aliens before the UFO community will these days.


So anyhow.

When did ATS radio start up again?

I thought you guys all got sore throats and packed in before Xmas?

a reply to: mirageman

Hey MM
LOL no sore throats only ever slowed us down for second in the past, Ill say what I said in the show thread to regular listeners asking about the weekly show status.

Most of the crew have new HUGE work projects and new full-time jobs including night shift so it has made it really hard to do anything other than specials. Did you know you can go to ATS Live radio and listen to 5 years worth of shows on rewind There are some great interviews with people like Travis Walton, Stanton Friedman , Nick Pope and more! that should keep you busy!

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Show is here is you want to listen to it, some good New Horizons stuff on there with Dr STU.

www.abovetopsecret.com...

All That said, I think a new special on the state of UFOlogy may be in order in a month or so if anyones lives can coincide for 3 hours

If you wanted to hear a interview with someone alive today in UFOlogy who would it be?