Five Black Church Arsons In The Last Six Days

a reply to: Kali74

Dang.

I posted about the one in Charlotte, but didn't know there had been FOUR others.

That's a shame.

It stands to reason, even more that these have happened, that it's about race and not just a bunch of opportunists trying to claim insurance.

I was hoping it wouldn't come to this, so hopefully it dies down. What with the uproar over the flag, the flag rallies, and civil war monuments, I don't see things calming down.

:/

At least they're not bombing churches while services are happening. (yet)

a reply to: CharlieSpeirs

Of course. I'd be shocked to learn NOI had a hand in it.

If you change your mind and want to bet on it, lemme know.

I don't have any fedoras yet

originally posted by: Liquesence
a reply to: Kali74

Dang.

I posted about the one in Charlotte, but didn't know there had been FOUR others.

That's a shame.

It stands to reason, even more that these have happened, that it's about race and not just a bunch of opportunists trying to claim insurance.

I was hoping it wouldn't come to this, so hopefully it dies down. What with the uproar over the flag, the flag rallies, and civil war monuments, I don't see things calming down.

:/

At least they're not bombing churches while services are happening. (yet)

I disagree. When something is a big issue, all over the news, that is exactly the time those with ulterior motives will come out of the word work because they have something all ready to blame it on.

a reply to: Shamrock6

Oh pal, everybody needs a fedora.

originally posted by: NavyDoc
In the 1990's there was a big hullaballo about black churches being burned and a lot of them turned out to be other reasons than racism such as internal disagreements and insurance fraud, so be cautious when jumping to conclusions. There is a big bandwagon here and a lot of people will be jumping on it for various reasons.

I was thinking the same thing, or maybe the same sort of nonsense we saw when the black school kid faked a "hate crime" effigy to get attention. Until something is proven, and I mean PROVEN, we can't rightly blame any one group, or assign a motive. This could easily be done by black groups to further push the anti-Confederate flag agenda.

a reply to: Kali74

Very little media coverage of these events.

That's because the government does not want to confiscate fire.

It won't be long before people wake up and realize that the modus operandi for the propaganda race baiting is gun confiscation. That's why we only ever hear the same crap just regurgitated differently - black fella killed, gun weapon, white fella and/or cop is the killer.

Divide / conquer / take the guns.

a reply to: Sublimecraft

What does this have to do with the fact that a lot of these black/white stories are of police shooting unarmed civilians, which is very much covered.

Stuff such as Roof, Holmes, etc are about guns, and, fit with your proposal, but how does divide and conquer work when the incidents don't involve *civilians* with guns?

They are just exercising out their frustrations


They are feeling repressed......w the recent events to ban flags etc


Any of these excuses sound familiar?


I dont condone these acts and abhor racism, but I find it ironic that when another group of people were destroying and burning buildings and were even yelling anti slogans about anther race, that it was considered "just venting"

OMG, how can this happen in the 21st century?

Obama is right, racism IS deeply rooted in parts of the US of A.

Nope, still shaking head and thanking God I was raised in a country where we were actually educated on the language and customs of the Maori people so we could learn for ourselves that they are like us - fine human beings.

a reply to: markosity1973

OMG, how can this happen in the 21st century?

Obama is right, racism IS deeply rooted in parts of the US of A.

so true, look no further than Ferguson, Baltimore, or inner cities where a cracker isnt welcome........

Again , whoever has done this is dispicable and needs to be brought to justice.......

But I find the hypocrisy glaring..........and the outrage laughable when over this last year weve seen much more blatant examples of destruction and racism playing out on our Televisions for MONTHS and everyone made excuses for it

a reply to: ManBehindTheMask

White people are welcome in Ferguson and the other places you mentioned. Stop :/

a reply to: Kali74

I don't believe Dylan Roof's killing of 9 black parishioners is causing the arsons. I believe the government's push to stop displaying the confederate flag, and the pressure on retailers to stop selling it has angered some southern folk. I think the government's idea of removing a symbol of racism and violence has ended up back firing. Southern racists and non- racists will probably blame the black race for having their symbol of southern pride and heritage removed.

originally posted by: Kali74
a reply to: ManBehindTheMask

White people are welcome in Ferguson and the other places you mentioned. Stop :/

I've got a white female friend who used to drive a delivery truck in the hoods of Jersey. She loves telling us all about it, and the one point she always reiterates is how she was treated like a rock star - people were always giving her food and gifts.

Yes, some black people are racist (I've been spat at for being white before), just as some white people are. The colour of one's skin however does not give anyone the right to hate someone else for being different to them.

a reply to: WeRpeons

The government is not pushing to stop displaying the flag, the people are pushing the government to stop displaying it at government sites... and the retailers went off on their own, probably trying desperately to win the hearts of the people and failing because no one asked for that and no one is asking that anyone's free speech be violated by banning the flag all together.

And none of it justifies burning down churches just as the police killing of unarmed civilians didn't justify looting. The protests were justified and multiracial. Burning churches is an old message from white supremacists.

Nothing is going to stop the Government from starting a race war/genocide.

originally posted by: CharlieSpeirs
a reply to: Shamrock6

Probability factors would suggest a white supremacist group, if it is indeed arson in each case, or even some of the respective cases.

It's all up in the air I guess.

Hearing that the NOI operate out of the area did throw up a red flag.
Wouldn't bet on it though.

Just for the record, the Nation of Islam wouldn't burn down black churches. Ever. Christianity & Islam have no "beef" in African American communities, especially in the Southeast. Our communities have never cared for the stereotypical Sunni/Shiite/Salafi/Wahabi drama either, because we've been united fighting for equal rights & protections here. In America, it never mattered if you were a black Salafi or a black Ismaili; all that mattered is we were black so we were 2nd class citizens.

The current NOI branched off from the original organization which had major connections with the US Civil Rights Movement. I steer clear of the current NOI because Farrakhan's a bit... "off" (and I don't like the racism). But they still help out a lot in these communities, especially in regards to charity & programs steering kids away from gangs & drugs. That's why the Nation of Islam has chapters in most major cities, especially near black communities.

As for the hate group angle, the original NOI was widely described as "the hate that hatred created" (you can actually google that phrase). That's because instead of pushing for unity with our oppressors, they fought fire with fire. Instead of teaching that everything about black people was inferior (which is what mainstream America & many Abrahamic denominations globally taught), they taught us to be proud of our unique skin, hair, noses, etc. Other groups were teaching us we were only good as slaves, needed to straighten our hair, bleach our skin, adopt "white" names, and act "white" in order to be proper 2nd class citizens. So you can probably see why some African Americans would gravitate towards them.

As for the OP: I was just telling a friend about this topic, though I'd only seen 3 of them. She was having arguments with some of her family over the CSA & I had to remind her what she was dealing with.

a reply to: Kali74

I would be curious to see if any of these turn out to be self inflicted. Like so many other supposed hate crimes here lately.

originally posted by: markosity1973
OMG, how can this happen in the 21st century?

Obama is right, racism IS deeply rooted in parts of the US of A.

Nope, still shaking head and thanking God I was raised in a country where we were actually educated on the language and customs of the Maori people so we could learn for ourselves that they are like us - fine human beings.

Dude look at this political poster from the 1860s. And make sure to read the fine text in the picture, as well. Freedmen's Bureau

America's right wing uses the exact same arguments against black people today.

And listen to Lee Atwater's words in 1988 about race & political wordings. Atwater is the guy who helped Richard Nixon's presidential campaign come up with the "Southern Strategy". And at the time of this clip, he was in Ronald Reagan's administration.

This link has the entire 41 minute speech, for those who are interested. Lee Atwater’s Infamous 1981 Interview on the Southern Strategy

Here's a portion of what he said:

You start out in 1954 by saying, “N_gger, n_gger, n_gger.” By 1968 you can’t say “n_gger”—that hurts you, backfires. So you say stuff like, uh, forced busing, states’ rights, and all that stuff, and you’re getting so abstract. Now, you’re talking about cutting taxes, and all these things you’re talking about are totally economic things and a byproduct of them is, blacks get hurt worse than whites.… “We want to cut this,” is much more abstract than even the busing thing, uh, and a hell of a lot more abstract than “N_gger, n_gger.”

The Republican Party is still using the Southern Strategy to this day. But people will argue about this, claiming it has nothing to do with race, because they literally don't know where this stuff comes from. Even though the actual creators of the policies say it's about race.

a reply to: enlightenedservant

I think you're right, and I think they're a great community outreach...


However, I should have elaborated that with a leader like Farrakhan, and with certain extremist members, I wouldn't put it past them.



I don't think it was the NOI.

But I never say never.
I was more thinking that it could be a loose cannon among them, not a true adherent.

a reply to: Kali74

Race bait much Kali ??

Look at your thread, full of hate , innuendo's and speculation before there is even any evidence of anything other then one was possibly an electrical fire, how are you any different then the people you describe ?

There is a reason why the CNN news media's have not jumped on this yet and its not because they want to be accurate, even they may see that something is not right here... and if it is race haters then I'm sure they will be the first to tell us, then you and the other race hustlers in this thread can feel proud for this hate that you spew.