Supreme Court extends same-sex marriage nationwide

originally posted by: ScientificRailgun
a reply to: JohnFisher

Okay, I won't argue that there is some text in the bible about Homosexuality, that's a topic for another thread. But even with that granted, why then would that be reason for states to ban homosexual marriage? That would be a pretty clear violation of the 1st, actually. Considering the language of the first amendment begins with "Congress shall make no law"

By outlawing gay marriage, they HAVE made a law which is entirely religious in nature.

This is what I've said all along. Some people seem happy for the government to infringe upon the 1st as long as it's in religions favour. If they truly want seperation and to up hold the 1st than they should be celebrating rating this ruling as it is upholding the consituation. Also, the religious seem to have a pretty big lobby and influence with the American government which shouldn't be the case if they truly believed in the 1st amendment.

originally posted by: BuzzyWigs
a reply to: JohnFisher

people are still the same as they were thousands of years ago. Even homosexuality being socially acceptable waxes and wanes throughout time.

Yes! They are! and....Yes! It sure does.

Yet even after all this, "Jesus" hasn't returned even ONCE to set things "right".
You say you 'trust your sources' - and that would be (correct me if I'm mistaken), the by-lined 'authors' of the Bible...right?

Well yes. I mean, I wasn't referring to them, but I do trust in the scriptures and those who authored it. Should Jesus have already returned?

originally posted by: JohnFisher

originally posted by: BuzzyWigs
a reply to: JohnFisher

people are still the same as they were thousands of years ago. Even homosexuality being socially acceptable waxes and wanes throughout time.

Yes! They are! and....Yes! It sure does.

Yet even after all this, "Jesus" hasn't returned even ONCE to set things "right".
You say you 'trust your sources' - and that would be (correct me if I'm mistaken), the by-lined 'authors' of the Bible...right?

Well yes. I mean, I wasn't referring to them, but I do trust in the scriptures and those who authored it. Should
Jesus have already returned?

Who authored them...? I would love to know who factually authored them. Can YOU tell me, were you there and did you know Jesus? That must have been cool, what was he like?

originally posted by: Krazysh0t
a reply to: JohnFisher

You are correct in that history repeats itself. I just don't see it as likely these days with the way the media scrutinizes politics. It would be VERY hard for a President to get away with doing something these days that violates the Constitution. Look how often the Republicans tried to bring up impeachment hearings on Obama.

I'm not saying this as from a partisan perspective. Trust me, I'm no fan of the Republicans either, but... How often and/or thoroughly were the impeachment plans covered by the media news as a whole?

How many times did an impeachment take place? President Obama, like many before him, is really deserving of impeachment. But it never happens. They almost always get away with it. Even Bill Clinton who was only impeached over a sec scandal to cover up a much bigger conspiracy (allegedly).

a reply to: JohnFisher

Should Jesus have already returned?

Interesting question. I have no idea if "he" should have or not. It's not up to me to dictate what "Jesus" should or should not do.

originally posted by: JohnFisher
I'm not saying this as from a partisan perspective. Trust me, I'm no fan of the Republicans either, but... How often and/or thoroughly were the impeachment plans covered by the media news as a whole?

How many times did an impeachment take place? President Obama, like many before him, is really deserving of impeachment. But it never happens. They almost always get away with it. Even Bill Clinton who was only impeached over a sec scandal to cover up a much bigger conspiracy (allegedly).

The mere fact that Bush jr. STILL hasn't answered legally for starting an illegal war means that I could give a DAMN about what Obama has or hasn't allegedly done.

Did you ever consider that the reason Obama hasn't been officially impeached yet is because he isn't attached to anything that makes him complicit to these things, or that MAYBE the right overhyped the allegations? You DO know that overhypeing allegations is a GOOD way to get your case thrown out of court right?

originally posted by: TrappedPrincess

originally posted by: JohnFisher

originally posted by: BuzzyWigs
a reply to: JohnFisher

people are still the same as they were thousands of years ago. Even homosexuality being socially acceptable waxes and wanes throughout time.

Yes! They are! and....Yes! It sure does.

Yet even after all this, "Jesus" hasn't returned even ONCE to set things "right".
You say you 'trust your sources' - and that would be (correct me if I'm mistaken), the by-lined 'authors' of the Bible...right?

Well yes. I mean, I wasn't referring to them, but I do trust in the scriptures and those who authored it. Should
Jesus have already returned?

Who authored them...? I would love to know who factually authored them. Can YOU tell me, were you there and did you know Jesus? That must have been cool, what was he like?

I know Jesus. He's a good friend of mine, though I often am a disappointment. From what I understand, authors include John, Paul, Peter, and so on. There are a lot more manuscripts of that New Testament than anything else significant of antiquity. If one questions the legitimacy of those as written documents, then one will have to disregard most great works of history. Ultimately, it doesn't matter who wrote them. I believe they are the inspired words of God. They have lasted, and they are on abundance.

originally posted by: Krazysh0t

originally posted by: JohnFisher
I'm not saying this as from a partisan perspective. Trust me, I'm no fan of the Republicans either, but... How often and/or thoroughly were the impeachment plans covered by the media news as a whole?

How many times did an impeachment take place? President Obama, like many before him, is really deserving of impeachment. But it never happens. They almost always get away with it. Even Bill Clinton who was only impeached over a sec scandal to cover up a much bigger conspiracy (allegedly).

The mere fact that Bush jr. STILL hasn't answered legally for starting an illegal war means that I could give a DAMN about what Obama has or hasn't allegedly done.

Did you ever consider that the reason Obama hasn't been officially impeached yet is because he isn't attached to anything that makes him complicit to these things, or that MAYBE the right overhyped the allegations? You DO know that overhypeing allegations is a GOOD way to get your case thrown out of court right?

I'm sure some of it has been over hyped. That's the nature of politics. However, the mere fact that Bush Jr. still hasn't answered for fighting an illegal, unconstitutional war just gives credence to the fact that modern day government can outright disregard the constitution... With support... On the face of the media.

a reply to: JohnFisher

I know Jesus too. He's a great guy and does wonders for my lawn. (That's probably racist, except my lawn guy really is named Jesus.)

Let's assume for a moment that you are correct in stating (you aren't, btw) that there are "more manuscripts of that New Testament than anything else significant of antiquity."

Your manuscripts describe the actions of a deity. Homer's Iliad and Odyssey do the same thing.

Both stories describe events we know are impossible, well, that is, many of us understand that.

Tell me, why should I believe your stories and not Homer's?

a reply to: JohnFisher

So why aren't you demanding that he answer for his crimes and are instead worried about Obama? His crimes are worse than Obama's even IF Obama's are true. If I were to see a TRUE conservative effort to get Bush tried legally for starting that war in Iraq, I'd probably be more open to listening to some of the allegations against Obama, but instead it just looks like partisan mudslinging while defending your own guy who is worse.

originally posted by: JohnFisher

originally posted by: TrappedPrincess

originally posted by: JohnFisher

originally posted by: BuzzyWigs
a reply to: JohnFisher

people are still the same as they were thousands of years ago. Even homosexuality being socially acceptable waxes and wanes throughout time.

Yes! They are! and....Yes! It sure does.

Yet even after all this, "Jesus" hasn't returned even ONCE to set things "right".
You say you 'trust your sources' - and that would be (correct me if I'm mistaken), the by-lined 'authors' of the Bible...right?

Well yes. I mean, I wasn't referring to them, but I do trust in the scriptures and those who authored it. Should
Jesus have already returned?

Who authored them...? I would love to know who factually authored them. Can YOU tell me, were you there and did you know Jesus? That must have been cool, what was he like?

I know Jesus. He's a good friend of mine, though I often am a disappointment. From what I understand, authors include John, Paul, Peter, and so on. There are a lot more manuscripts of that New Testament than anything else significant of antiquity. If one questions the legitimacy of those as written documents, then one will have to disregard most great works of history. Ultimately, it doesn't matter who wrote them. I believe they are the inspired words of God. They have lasted, and they are on abundance.

Well isn't that just precious, all you and your imaginary friends playing make believe. I mean I kNOW your weren't there to see who actually scribbled on these really old pieces of paper that have been discovered. There is no way to know for sure where these strange and often conflicting words originated. Sorry but NO, NO and more NO.

originally posted by: Gryphon66
a reply to: JohnFisher

I know Jesus too. He's a great guy and does wonders for my lawn. (That's probably racist, except my lawn guy really is named Jesus.)

Let's assume for a moment that you are correct in stating (you aren't, btw) that there are "more manuscripts of that New Testament than anything else significant of antiquity."

Your manuscripts describe the actions of a deity. Homer's Iliad and Odyssey do the same thing.

Both stories describe events we know are impossible, well, that is, many of us understand that.

Tell me, why should I believe your stories and not Homer's?

Belive whomever you want to believe. It is your choice, and no one can decide but you. I believe the scriptures, and Jesus has never let me down though I let Him down often.

originally posted by: JohnFisher

originally posted by: Gryphon66
a reply to: JohnFisher

I know Jesus too. He's a great guy and does wonders for my lawn. (That's probably racist, except my lawn guy really is named Jesus.)

Let's assume for a moment that you are correct in stating (you aren't, btw) that there are "more manuscripts of that New Testament than anything else significant of antiquity."

Your manuscripts describe the actions of a deity. Homer's Iliad and Odyssey do the same thing.

Both stories describe events we know are impossible, well, that is, many of us understand that.

Tell me, why should I believe your stories and not Homer's?

Belive whomever you want to believe. It is your choice, and no one can decide but you. I believe the scriptures, and Jesus has never let me down though I let Him down often.

Exactly so you and yours leave me and mine free to frolic and be gay and we will leave you and yours to teach your offspring to treat us like crap. Just know when they do we will fight back.

originally posted by: TrappedPrincess

originally posted by: JohnFisher

originally posted by: TrappedPrincess

originally posted by: JohnFisher

originally posted by: BuzzyWigs
a reply to: JohnFisher

people are still the same as they were thousands of years ago. Even homosexuality being socially acceptable waxes and wanes throughout time.

Yes! They are! and....Yes! It sure does.

Yet even after all this, "Jesus" hasn't returned even ONCE to set things "right".
You say you 'trust your sources' - and that would be (correct me if I'm mistaken), the by-lined 'authors' of the Bible...right?

Well yes. I mean, I wasn't referring to them, but I do trust in the scriptures and those who authored it. Should
Jesus have already returned?

Who authored them...? I would love to know who factually authored them. Can YOU tell me, were you there and did you know Jesus? That must have been cool, what was he like?

I know Jesus. He's a good friend of mine, though I often am a disappointment. From what I understand, authors include John, Paul, Peter, and so on. There are a lot more manuscripts of that New Testament than anything else significant of antiquity. If one questions the legitimacy of those as written documents, then one will have to disregard most great works of history. Ultimately, it doesn't matter who wrote them. I believe they are the inspired words of God. They have lasted, and they are on abundance.

Well isn't that just precious, all you and your imaginary friends playing make believe. I mean I kNOW your weren't there to see who actually scribbled on these really old pieces of paper that have been discovered. There is no way to know for sure where these strange and often conflicting words originated. Sorry but NO, NO and more NO.

TThat's your opinion.

originally posted by: TrappedPrincess

originally posted by: JohnFisher

originally posted by: Gryphon66
a reply to: JohnFisher

I know Jesus too. He's a great guy and does wonders for my lawn. (That's probably racist, except my lawn guy really is named Jesus.)

Let's assume for a moment that you are correct in stating (you aren't, btw) that there are "more manuscripts of that New Testament than anything else significant of antiquity."

Your manuscripts describe the actions of a deity. Homer's Iliad and Odyssey do the same thing.

Both stories describe events we know are impossible, well, that is, many of us understand that.

Tell me, why should I believe your stories and not Homer's?

Belive whomever you want to believe. It is your choice, and no one can decide but you. I believe the scriptures, and Jesus has never let me down though I let Him down often.

Exactly so you and yours leave me and mine free to frolic and be gay and we will leave you and yours to teach your offspring to treat us like crap. Just know when they do we will fight back.

I haven't treated you or any gay man like crap, nor have I treated anyone in the gay community any different than anyone else. I'm sorry if I've made you feel under attack in this thread. Forgive me.

a reply to: Megatronus

Exactly, if the Government Granted the Christian Church with the power to make and enforce Laws do you think they would think anything other than "there Rights"? they say we act like "special snowflakes" yet they are the ones who preach the loudest, they are the ones that show up with signs protesting GLBTQ, they are the ones that would oppress not only other religions but anyone outside the "Christian Normality"

a reply to: JohnFisher

Thanks for allowing me my personal autonomy!

But, just out of curiosity, do you care to address my question?

Let me try something different. As far as the volume of "written attestations" you will find that the written record in Egypt, for example, far outstrips both in age and number any of the scraps of parchment you're claiming as proof of your religious beliefs.

These Egyptian documents discuss a whole range of divine beings, their actions, their family structure, et. al. Tell me, what makes your stories better?

a reply to: Gryphon66

It's hard to get a Christian to admit that he believes Christianity because he was born into a Christian family.

originally posted by: Krazysh0t
a reply to: JohnFisher

So why aren't you demanding that he answer for his crimes and are instead worried about Obama? His crimes are worse than Obama's even IF Obama's are true. If I were to see a TRUE conservative effort to get Bush tried legally for starting that war in Iraq, I'd probably be more open to listening to some of the allegations against Obama, but instead it just looks like partisan mudslinging while defending your own guy who is worse.

YYou win; I'm done.

originally posted by: Krazysh0t
a reply to: Gryphon66

It's hard to get a Christian to admit that he believes Christianity because he was born into a Christian family.

If you only knew my testimony or many who I know personally. But again, you win; I'm done.