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originally posted by: anonentity
If you think about it, before the big Bang their was nothing , if their was nothing then nothing could ever happen. But their is something, the observable Universe!. So by that reason the Observable Universe was always here. Has been and will always be. If it was always here it has to be infinite . For logic and reason to work, in an infinite reality. Then logic and reason, only works if the infinite event, can be observed in non infinite time, which is linear time, to define reality which is the cause and effect. So the Universe has to be defined, with a starting point, called the Big bang. Which in real terms could never of happened . It could not have banged out of nothing. So what we are defining, is one of many interpretations, using linear time. Which can only exist when logic and reason are used in the observations of cause and effects. For machine intelligence to work, it has to be programed with a circuit , that interprets things in linear time, or it too will be chaotic.
Then what we are interpreting, can only be infinitely small pieces of the structure . With "time" being an invented, concept which allows the interpretation of what is perceived. What is perceived, is an illusion/ a repeating lucid dream, created by a conceptual discipline called linear time. Which only makes it appear real and solid. How is that logic flawed?
At the moment of the big bang there was no time so there is no concept of a "before the big bang". A bit of a mind bender but hey.....