Apple Pulls Civil War Games From App Store Over Confederate Flag

Hey we don't need no stinkin Civil War game anyway, we are going to have another one in the real world pretty soon.

a reply to: Krazysh0t

I don't care about the .99 cent money grubbing games either. The problem I have is the precedent it sets. If it's okay to go after app developers, what's stopping them from going after indie developers? Then if that's okay, the next up is AAA developers.

originally posted by: boymonkey74
a reply to: Greathouse

Again who is banning it? If a company doesn't wish to use the Union Jack it is their right to do so.
Hyperboling again no one is banning it, no one is erasing history and removing it from places is not doing so either.

The Germans have actually banned the Nazi flag but they still know about what happened don't they?.
Anyhow wasting my time on this it's a flag not a history book.

That's just it. They aren't simply "banning" the battle flag. They are banning the entire Civil War as a side effect.

a reply to: boymonkey74

They have essentially banned a game from being purchased. It is logical to question what is next? Movies? Books? That's not hyperbole LOL.

originally posted by: Kali74
Well they're a private company they can sell or pull whatever they want, I do think this is way over the top though. All anyone was asking for was for it to be taken down from government property. Don't go blaming the people for corporate over reacting.

I feel your statement is the most in line with my beliefs on this issue and needs repeating.

I would add that since as has been argued to death now the "stars and bars" were never the flag of the Confederacy, maybe we should change that perception by replacing all of them with one of the "official flags" when dealing with the war between the states from now on.

Problem solved.

a reply to: ketsuko

I temember something about them not teaching pre civil war American history in public education. That's something!

a reply to: EternalSolace

That's why I said you should take this issue up with Apple. They are the ones doing it.

Though good luck getting EA or similar game developers to self-censor. Stereotypes in video games are one of the last bastions of non-PC media we can consume and the industry resists changing that standard like the plague. Look at Gamergate. Actually don't look at Gamergate, I don't want to discuss that sexist travesty.

a reply to: Krazysh0t

Talk about speaking out both sides of one's mouth.

I rather find it refreshing that video games hang on to being un-PC. Someone has to resist the insanity.

a reply to: ketsuko

I really don't care one way or the other if video games self-censor or not. I'm not one of the people pushing to censor art. I'm just not crying over losing clearly exploitative "games" (sorry I can't even call freemium apps, games without putting games in quotes) because Apple decided to stop carrying those products in its marketplace (something Apple is 100% allowed to do). That's like crying because Bank of America decided to stop offering predatory loans without the government demanding they stop. This is why I've been saying since the beginning, if you have a problem with this, go take it up with Apple.

a reply to: Krazysh0t

I don't want them to self-censor. I want anything having to do with being PC to stay out of video gaming. While I said I don't care about the .99 cent money grubbing apps, I do care about what happened to those games and the developers.

First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Socialist.

Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Trade Unionist.

Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Jew.

Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.

That poem can be applied to this situation. Even if they are exploitive games with IAPs, they are still games. People should be all over Apple for pulling the games because of a flag. If people don't apply heat, things will become more censored due to the sheer apathy of the censorship of the games that came before.

a reply to: Krazysh0t

I don't care about what kind of game it is. I don't care whether or not they have the right to sell it or not as a free marketer.

Neither or those are the direct issue.

The real issue is that the reason, the ONLY reason, Apple has decided to stop selling the games in question is because of bowing to PC sentiment. It's not like they were marketing a racist game. It was a Civil War game.

It's a stupid as the company who made the zombie game and pulled it because of accusations of racism over the black zombies. Well, the game was set in Africa. What color were the zombies likely to be?!

Some of the developers have spoken up, and it wasn't just one game they pulled. They pulled all Civil War games that used the flag.

RT

“We accept Apple's decision and understand that this is a sensitive issue for the American Nation. We wanted our game to be the most accurate, historical, playable reference of the Battle of Gettysburg. All historical commanders, unit composition and weaponry, key geographical locations to the smallest streams or farms are recreated in our game's battlefield,” Game Labs’ Nick Thomadis wrote on the game’s website.

“We believe that all historical art forms: books, movies, or games such as ours, help to learn and understand history, depicting events as they were. True stories are more important to us than money,” he continued. “Therefore we are not going to amend the game's content and Ultimate General: Gettysburg will no longer be available on AppStore. We really hope that Apple’s decision will achieve the desired results.”

And from another developer-

“It seems disappointing that they would remove it as they weren’t being used in an offensive way, being that they were historical war games and hence it was the flag used at the time,” Mulholland said. “At the moment we’re reworking the games to replace the flags that are deemed offensive. We’re going to use the Confederate flag from 1861 and 1862 as the one that’s considered offensive wasn’t introduced until late 1862.”

Yeah, lets erase the Civil War, as if it never happened, right?
Cant offend people right?
Lets just change history so noone's feelings are hurt

a reply to: HomerinNC

How about everyone compromises?
No flags other than US and State/territory flag on government property flying in public. Whatever anyone else wants to do, go for it. Fly the Gay Nazis for Jesus and Allah flag for all I care. Just dont do it in front of a statehouse.

But I guess we all need to rewrite the history books since the flag in question isn't "confederate"...so the official confederate flag needs to take its place. Oops. Collective bad everyone. Here's the do over...

a reply to: Lysergic

Very.

I find it extraordinarily, well, amusing, that Apple, of all corporations, attempts to do the "right thing"...

It's either laugh, or cry...

God, what a mad, mad, mad world we live in...

a reply to: seagull

There's hardly one single thing we can but these days that wasn't in part made with slave labor. You can try and try, spend way more money on fair trade, made in america, organic... and not be guaranteed you did one bit of the right thing. You have to research toilet paper ffs.

That said, these companies refusing to sell that flag are about the worst of the worst when it comes to exploiting humans due to lax foreign labor laws.

Part of me though, however, is highly amused at seeing capitalism bite fervent capitalists in the ass... sorry

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originally posted by: imitator



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Next we must remove any references to slavery. None of it ever happened!

Because we know if we ignore the lessons of history, we won't repeat 'em.