Illuminati insider appalling letter prt 3

a reply to: flammadraco

Interesting. I saw that posted earlier in the thread, but must have glanced over the part that says religion or religious experience can act as a trigger. Thanks!

originally posted by: flammadraco
a reply to: JUhrman

I mean this with all due respect, do you take medication to help with your illness? or was it a one off?

I never took medication. It was a one off due to an important lack of sleep (no sleep for almost 5 days) and an obsession with the esoteric and conspiracies at the time.

At some point it does feel like "falling into a rabbit hole" trying to link together different things, uncovering "secret knowledge" and though some members here wear it like a badge of honor I can see now how it caused a slow descent into delusion peaking in a psychotic break.

Lack of sleep does cause hallucinations so after a lot of sleep things started to get better by themselves.

Also since I had plenty of time to understand how that happened in the first place (I have a big interest in the way our mind works) it helped me understand the mechanisms behind things like delusions, beliefs and hallucination, from an internal perspective.

To day it helps me recognize these same signs when they start appearing in me (or in others ) so I can make sure I put myself back on track before I start deluding myself.


It might surprise to you but even if only a few people experience full blown psychosis/schizophrenia, the vast majority of people do suffer from varying degrees of delusion, over all kind of subjects/beliefs. It doesn't prevent them from having normal life, but it does prevent them from being 100% critical and rational in all situation.

originally posted by: flammadraco
a reply to: admirethedistance

A simple answer to your question is yes....

Religion as a trigger for schizophrenia

Schizophrenia can be triggered by a variety of environmental factors, including significant stress, intensely emotional situations, and disturbing or uncomfortable experiences. It is possible that religion itself may be a trigger for schizophrenia; religious imagery is often very grandiose, and defies commonly held beliefs of what is realistic and natural in the world. Experiencing an intense religious experience may trigger a psychotic episode in those who are vulnerable to them, because religion often requires a believer to suspend their usual idea of what is possible and impossible. This could potentially lead to a psychotic episode due to the shift in realistic thinking; a sufferer may believe that they themselves are religious deities or Messiahs, or that God himself is speaking to the individual. It has been shown that those with schizophrenia who suffer from religious delusions are more religious than those who do not suffer from these delusions.[14] It has also been shown that those who suffer from religious delusions are less likely to continue long-term treatment.[15]

Source

And another tell tell sign is the strong belief in Conspiracy Theories.

From my experience it's even more than simply religions/conspiracy and pretty much anything that touches the irrational and supernatural. It can be religions and conspiracies but also the occult, aliens, spirituality, new age, "synchronicities", etc, etc...

Funnily its actually all the different topics on ATS :p

a reply to: JUhrman

Had to smile because with the record the vatican has throughout the ages, I suspect those who work for it are living in fear that hell might just be waiting for them - after all we think a concept then we develop it . Ironically they might just simply believe in their own propaganda and want to do damage limitation for themselves by their 'confession'

a reply to: JUhrman

Thanks for the response and I concur with with your points that everyone has at some point in their lives suffered from some degree of delusion.

Getting rid of a delusion makes us wiser than getting hold of a truth.

A friend once told me I was delusional...... I almost fell off my unicorn

The author of this thread...regarding all that he or she has stated...to this person it is true.

However...to many it is not.

Sometimes...I wonder...if many hallucinations abound.

originally posted by: Shiloh7
a reply to: JUhrman

Had to smile because with the record the vatican has throughout the ages, I suspect those who work for it are living in fear that hell might just be waiting for them - after all we think a concept then we develop it . Ironically they might just simply believe in their own propaganda and want to do damage limitation for themselves by their 'confession'

For having discussed with some Catholic priests and monks I have to say that the way Christian faith is widely portrayed in the US (basically a literal approach of the Bible as advocated by evangelical cults) is very different from their own approach.

Many (but not all of course) have very high education, sometimes even scientific, are quite critical and know very well the Bible is first and foremost a book of spiritual wisdom rather than a science and history manual. Some even confessed to me that even they often feel like agnostics and question their own faith in a deity or even whether life has any purpose. Their practice of Christian faith isn't as monolithic as it seems and most are simply people like you and me, just they also wear a silly robe and many people come to them asking for a non-judging hear and sometimes for a bit of wisdom or sympathy.

I remember one monk who told to never forget that if there are people who are stupid, it also means there are priests and ecclesiastes who are stupid too

originally posted by: MorpheusNeo123
a reply to: admirethedistance Yes this topic is schizophrenic because you rather discuss how many points Lebron James scored in the NBA finals. Yes I understand your ambitions.

This doesn't sound like someone the creator would choose to deliver a message. This sounds like someone who's just angry that their thread is not going the way they envisioned it would.

Does anyone remember the "Illuminati insider" from 2008 on ATS? He went by the name Hidden Hand.

He was at least a little bit believable, consistent and made sense

originally posted by: MorpheusNeo123
a reply to: notmyrealname if your not born again there is a high possibility the real pinhead will be waiting for you. If your not aware creatures in horror movie represent real creatures in hell. You have been warned!

Dude, this is ATS. You can't post something like that and expect to walk away smiling and dancing. Expect criticism, a healthy one. Yes, sometime members go e little rough on newbies, sometimes there is also intentional thread bashing (is a conspiracy board) but most of the members are going to analyze what you say and write with a positive attitude. Be prepared to criticism or stop posting because I don't think you have the skin for it.

Everything sounds cool except the part about the aliens. They just don't fit into the whole picture. I thought there were enough invisible scary things out to get us with the demon part, but then to add in scary bugs from outer space, it draws away from the better parts of the story.

Combining Hinduism (Chakras) with Judeo-Christian Theology (Heaven, Hell, Jesus, Satan, etc.) worked well for you.

Nothing is as it seems, demons are everywhere, someone is constantly out to get you, even in the shower as you said (demons).
You've got to worry about demons molesting your "root chakra" AND worry about aliens probing you? Good grief..

Just because you can feel 7 different ways (from heavenly to hellish), or have 7 different mentalities, doesn't mean you have 7 chakra points. There's no more true documented evidence for chakras than there is for a soul or spirit that lives on after your body dies.

By the way, if you're cloned, how can they suck your soul from the ether, or from a current body, into their new clones of you, to keep you in a perpetual physical hell for hundreds of years as you mentioned? They can pluck you from the afterlife? God lets them? By the way, who are they, when you say Illuminati?

originally posted by: JUhrman
From my experience it's even more than simply religions/conspiracy and pretty much anything that touches the irrational and supernatural. It can be religions and conspiracies but also the occult, aliens, spirituality, new age, "synchronicities", etc, etc...

But if the illness you are referring to didn't even exist, I think there'd still be rational people thinking about and discussing those same topics. Of the billions of adherents to various religions that have lived and died or are currently on the Earth, I doubt more than half suffer from hallucinations, if even that. Pulled that one out of my root chakra, but you get the point. They are legit topics, and am I the only one who tires of people pulling the mental illness card because they are afraid of or bothered by the topic, whichever it may be, whenever and to whomever you talking to about it?

I kind of resent the Schizophrenia accusations...

Firstly, because the OP was clearly contradictory and trolling for lulz...
That much is obvious given the fact that apparently, "creatures from horror stories exist"...

But secondly, and mainly, because no one has attempted to explain which sub category of schizophrenia they believe the OP has...



Alas, my indignation may be unwarranted, and they say that laughter is the best medicine...
Perhaps I should lighten up.





PS: not even close to being the funniest thread...

That award goes to the "prophet" who was nearly decapitated by the space octopus god via telepathy while they were taking a sh# but managed to reverse the telepathy and break the space octopus god's neck...
Also the space octopus god was a CIA computer...

Yes, someone actually said all of that.



www.abovetopsecret.com...

Yes, someone indeed said all of that.

a reply to: CharlieSpeirs

Hello Charlie, not seen you on for a while (perhaps we have been visiting different threads)

You can resent the Schizophrenia accusations... but it had already been said that the OP was either suffering some form of illness or was trolling. The links providing further information clearly show evidence that those like the OP suffering from religious delusions are more often or not suffering from a mental illness which would be akin to Schizophrenia.

You'll also note that most responses to the OP were of sympathy and telling them to seek medical advice which in my opinion is clearly needed. The OP is a few sandwiches short of a picnic Charlie and that being said, to come to ATS and basically create three threads one after another is going to attract ridicule and accusations of a mental illness.

The great thing about ATS is their moto "Deny Ignorance" and I believe that is exactly what has happened in this thread as well as suggesting the OP takes a little time for themselves and seeks help.

Your link to the thread about "the space octopus god" is amusing and seems to be exactly the kind of delusion that those suffering from a mental illness would conjure up in their own minds ;(

That all being said Charlie, your indignation was unwarranted, but I agree that laughter is the best medicine...

a reply to: flammadraco

From the style of writing and the conviction behind the assertions...

I'm much more inclined to believe the OP is a troll, or a cult leader type...

Here is my reasoning...

Lack of paranoid thought process...
No real mention of auditory hallucinations aside from "talking to God" which was not explained enough to assume it's just voices in and around his head...
Lack of aggression when confronted or asked if they're delusional...
They actually used their own brand of humour to "rebut" most replies...

That to me spells that this person is doing it for the lulz...
And not to convert the masses.


Honestly, the best way to determine a mental instability as opposed to a troll...
Is to agree with them...
Lure them into to a further conversation about it...
See how they react when they've "converted" someone...

My guess is that troll level 9000 would have been realised.


In my opinion.

a reply to: CharlieSpeirs

As usual I respect your opinion buddy and you may be right that the OP was a troll, probably the same guy that wrote the "Space Octopus" thread you linked to......

But at least the guys here at ATS jumped in and let the OP know we all thought it was a load of old twadlle! That being said, and what normally happens in these threads, is when America comes online in a bit, we'll have some nut that agrees with the OP and will start spurting religious scripture to back up their claims

Edit - What is this new "Troll lv 9000" ?

originally posted by: r0xor
But if the illness you are referring to didn't even exist, I think there'd still be rational people thinking about and discussing those same topics. Of the billions of adherents to various religions that have lived and died or are currently on the Earth, I doubt more than half suffer from hallucinations, if even that. Pulled that one out of my root chakra, but you get the point. They are legit topics, and am I the only one who tires of people pulling the mental illness card because they are afraid of or bothered by the topic, whichever it may be, whenever and to whomever you talking to about it?

Totally agree! You can find me discussing these topic on ATS too so in no way I would say these topic cause mental illness or that only mental illness explains aliens or religions.

Actually I pretty much said it's more obsession with these topics which can develop pre-existing mental issues.

On the other hand mental illness on conspiracy board is a legit concern and shouldn't be considered a taboo, exactly because the danger to face it is more important if you chose to delve into these topics than to simply ignore them.

originally posted by: CharlieSpeirs
But secondly, and mainly, because no one has attempted to explain which sub category of schizophrenia they believe the OP has...

Delusion of grandeur assorted with other themes of delusions quite common among psychotic. Also receiving messages from god which is a pretty good indication of schizophrenia (god doesn't talk to people in their head, I think not even religions claim that one).

Also I'm not claiming with certainty OP is suffering from schizophrenia (could be manic or bipolar disorder too) but there is IMHO definitely some form of heavy delusion going on, even psychosis.

If it was a troll it wasn't a very funny one :p Most things he posted he seemed to sincerely believe them.

a reply to: flammadraco

Same buddy, always enjoy your input.
LoL I did wonder if they're the same person too...
And as you can see I was the first to reply with "you're mental" in the space octopus thread...
It's always good to try and engage though, break down the OP...

I thought you all did that well in this thread.

knowyourmeme.com...


It's a meme that started circulating on 4chan...
Initially a power up level from DragonBall Z...

It's now a running joke that 9000 is the troll level all trolls aspire to reach.

a reply to: CharlieSpeirs

lol, thanks for the update re Troll lv 9000..... you learn something new every day

This thread just shows how this forum is more and more about ego boasting, dismissing everything and thinking that that's what makes them smarter.

All I see is stupid alpha gorillas tapping each other in their backs while bashing on a chimp.

I don't really believe the OP either but I don't act like an asshole that thinks he knows everything like most posters on the first page that add NOTHING of value to this forum other than ego tripping.

You don't like it, don't post. Your actions are killing this forum...maybe because it's part of the plan.
I'm not impressed by you sophist actions.