I fear the day when humans meet extraterrestrials.

Well, unless they crash land, in which case the government will quarantine the are, take all evidence, do a massive cover up, and probably dissect the aliens, there's not much 'we' can do. We can't genocide a species centuries if not eons more advanced than us. It doesn't matter what we do, or want to do, all we could effectively do is pray we don't tick them off.

Luckily they're unlikely to make food or pets out of us. Any species capable of traveling between stars would have long since mastered agriculture/farming and raising animals for meat to such a degree that traveling to other worlds for food would just be a silly and pointless trek. And humans make terrible pets, no loyalty at all.

originally posted by: MystikMushroom
We'd start to see ourselves as "humans" and not "white, black, etc".

Or "useless, pointless vermin."

originally posted by: Thorneblood
Don't worry, America will save you all. We usually do.

America needs to save itself first, methinks.

O I'm sure we will be fine, I mean if they've been around that long, longer then 6000 yrs, watching the rise and collapse of multiple civilizations from wars and diseases, and are still here.

Idk about the rest of civilzation going back to human sacrifices to scare them away, but will be fine and dandy.

Chances are from all the evidence we have compiled, especially government documents and testimony, we have already met them.

If that is the case, I would have a hard time believing they would want anything to do with us after seeing how we treat other life on this planet let alone our home, that is if they are benevolent. If they are evil we would have already been wiped out, or worse yet they are harvesting us for whatever reason.

Basically I wouldn't hold your breath on an ET race coming to save us. We aren't exactly a race worth saving considering the things humans are doing on and to this beautiful planet.

So...you know for a fact this is all exclusive to just humanity or....?

I agree completely with your view. It would be a bad meeting and we would fire the first shot and take their resources. I see humanity going the way of the aliens on Independence Day.

Human race is useful for fertilizer.

War of the Worlds 2005 scared the hell out of me, the thought of it still does.

a reply to: LyndellUrbytes

Do you got some sources for this? I'd like to learn more. I remember my biology teacher telling my class back in 2000 or 1999 that we better stop sending signals into space before something eats us. Unrelated, but comes to mind, my teacher for sex Ed told the class a saucer landed in there yard, and his mother told him about being taken. He showed us a picture of the large circle of dead grass. I wonder why I never pushed him for more because of my past experiences.

a reply to: mysterioustranger

Are you expecting some magical appearance or "announced a disclosure"?

Not gonna happen because it already has....and we are too infantile in development to accept the fact.

Great post. Absolutely correct, alien contact is a fact of life. I'm still shocked at how many people come here to talk about aliens like they were imaginary characters or comic book villains.

They have managed to tune out completely from the reality of alien contact, preferring instead to speculate endlessly, rubbing their chins, scratching their heads, saying "Gee, what if?"

They should be asking themselves "Gee, what if I could no longer ignore the astronauts, Presidents, senators, intelligence officers, military personnel, airline pilots, police officers, Governors, and millions of other people of all walks of life, as well as the decades of photographic, film, video, and radar recordings. Not to mention the 3,000 documented encounters involving physical evidence, or witnesses and abductees exposed to radiation?"

But, no, they won't let the facts ruin a perfectly good daydream.
A daydream where we are the most advanced beings around.
A daydream where aliens are only to be found in their favorite fairy tales; Superman and Chewbacca, Alf and E.T., Predators and Klingons.

"Flying saucers? Seen by millions of witnesses who managed to get thousands of photographs as evidence of what they saw? Obviously lying hoaxers, real aliens would fly a TARDIS."

I'd say it's high time they woke up, but let's let them sleep.

They must need it.

a reply to: payta

I agree, but that 's probably one of the reasons a full disclosure hasn't happened yet.
I mean they know how traumatizing it'd be to people. And how it would mean an end, and a beginning, in human history.

You're right on the money. I would have thought after seventy years of contact that people would be able to accept what is happening, but most of the posts in this thread disprove that convincingly.

I guess media influence is a large part of it; the news media forbid to touch it, sitcoms try to laugh it off, and movies hollywood-ize and fictionalize any films about abductions. The public are strongly discouraged from taking it seriously.

And they happily obey.

a reply to: Scdfa

Regardless of how adamant you are, you're not going to change anyone's mind. Most people are too intelligent to believe ridiculous stories that have no proof. I'm starting to think you just like hearing (seeing) yourself talk.

a reply to: STEEM

Unrelated, but comes to mind, my teacher for sex Ed told the class a saucer landed in there yard, and his mother told him about being taken.

Happens all the time. Not many are willing to talk about it, hopefully your teacher documented the experience, but probably did not. The database we currently have represents only a fraction of the enormously extensive program of abductions.

a reply to: admirethedistance

Regardless of how adamant you are, you're not going to change anyone's mind. Most people are too intelligent to believe ridiculous stories that have no proof. I'm starting to think you just like hearing (seeing) yourself talk.

And I'm starting to realize there's a very good reason your avatar has its eyes closed.

Intelligent people know the truth when they hear it. But I can't change anyone's mind, nor do I try. I've never asked anyone to change their mind, change can only come from within.

No one can change another person's mind, that's up to them. All I can do is share information. Which bothers you immensely. You seem to feel very threatened when I discuss aliens as if I know what I'm talking about, but that's because I do know what I'm talking about.

You are only guessing about aliens, and you can't really deny that.
And you've unfortunately guessed wrong. And you're obsessed with defending that erroneous position.
And what I say makes that hard for you, you wish I acted like I was guessing too.

Sorry, but I'm not guessing. I first encountered aliens directly in 1966. Never had to guess since.

As a result of my first-hand encounters of the fourth or fifth kind, I bring a knowledge to this conversation that you are in no position to match.

We are not equals in discussing aliens, in fact, you admittedly don't even know they exist.

originally posted by: admirethedistance
a reply to: Scdfa

Regardless of how adamant you are, you're not going to change anyone's mind. Most people are too intelligent to believe ridiculous stories that have no proof. I'm starting to think you just like hearing (seeing) yourself talk.

Why are you attacking this poster again instead of addressing the topic and laughably attempting to speak for the masses?

This poster has some amazing insights and experiences to share and such as exactly the reason many gravitate to ATS.

Afraid to let others make up their own minds?

I would agree that the premise of the OP is rather faulty given the truth of this:

They should be asking themselves "Gee, what if I could no longer ignore the astronauts, Presidents, senators, intelligence officers, military personnel, airline pilots, police officers, Governors, and millions of other people of all walks of life, as well as the decades of photographic, film, video, and radar recordings. Not to mention the 3,000 documented encounters involving physical evidence, or witnesses and abductees exposed to radiation?"

a reply to: PlanetXisHERE

The "truth" of that, though, is that most of it is a lie. There are no astronauts or Presidents claiming to have any first-hand knowledge of extraterrestrial visitation, the overwhelming majority of photographs and video over the last several decades have been shown to be eitber hoaxes or misidentifications, there are zero cases involving physical evidence (otherwise there would be no question), witness testimony is extraordinarily unreliable, and if there are any cases of abductees being exposed to radiation, which I don't believe for a second, then I would love to see the documentation from the doctors that determined that, and also how they determined it.

I am not "attacking" anybody, unless you consider calling out liars to be "attacking".

a reply to: Scdfa

Im going n what we know...and don't realize...and therefore cant prove..or disprove.

Millions and millions of Universes, with billions of stars, planets etc-there HAS to be life out there. OK.

So theres life out there-then they've been and still are-here. OK.

If that assumed a strong positive conclusion...then they want or need nothing from us. OK.

IF they wanted anything and are here, been here, are always coming here from the heavens...they would've took it.

The "truth" of that, though, is that most of it is a lie. There are no astronauts or Presidents claiming to have any first-hand knowledge of extraterrestrial visitation,

a reply to: admirethedistance

Folks, I just want to take this opportunity to demonstrate how wrong 'admire the distance' is, and why nobody in here should take anything he says seriously.

This won't take long:

"Richard Nixon, US President from 1969 to 1974: "I'm not at liberty to discuss the government's knowledge of extraterrestrial UFO's at this time. I am still personally being briefed on the subject."

Well, that didn't take long at all. And then there is this:

“I can assure you that flying saucers, given that they exist, are not constructed by any power on earth.”
– President Harry S. Truman. April 4, 1950. White House Press Conference.

So, in summation, I think it is clear that 'admire the distance' has a poor understanding of the UFO situation.

No one here should admire the disinformation.

And if there are any cases of abductees being exposed to radiation, which I don't believe for a second, then I would love to see the documentation from the doctors that determined that, and also how they determined it.

a reply to: admirethedistance

Folks, I just couldn't let the pile of untruths this guy posted go without correcting them. Sure, I already proved him wrong on the Presidents, but there are other claims that must be addressed.

Here is perhaps the most famous case of UFO witnesses exposed to radiation:

"The Cash-Landrum Incident was a reported Unidentified Flying Object sighting from the United States in 1980, which witnesses insist was responsible for damage to their health. It is one of very few UFO cases to result in civil court proceedings.

On the evening of December 29, 1980, Betty Cash, Vickie Landrum and Colby Landrum (Vickie's seven-year-old grandson) were driving home to Dayton, Texas in Cash's Oldsmobile Cutlass after dining out.

At about 9:00 p.m., while driving on an isolated two-lane road in dense woods, the witnesses said they observed a light above some trees. They initially thought the light was an airplane approaching Houston Intercontinental Airport (about 35 miles away) and gave it little notice.

A few minutes later on the winding roads, the witnesses saw what they believed to be the same light as before, but it was now much closer and very bright. The light, they claimed, came from a huge diamond-shaped object, which hovered at about treetop level. The object's base was expelling flame and emitting significant heat.

Vickie Landrum told Cash to stop the car, fearing they would be burned if they approached any closer. However, Vickie's opinion of the object quickly changed: a born again Christian, she interpreted the object as a sign of the second coming of Jesus Christ, telling her grandson, "That's Jesus. He will not hurt us." (Clark, 175)

Anxious, Cash considered turning the car around, but abandoned this idea because the road was too narrow and she presumed the car would get stuck on the dirt shoulders, which were soft from that evening's rains.

Cash and Landrum got out of the car to examine the object. Colby was terrified, however, and Vickie Landrum quickly returned to the car to comfort the frantic child. Cash remained outside the car, "mesmerized by the bizarre sight," as Jerome Clark wrote. (Clark, 175) He went on,

The object, intensely bright and a dull metallic silver, was shaped like a huge upright diamond, about the size of the Dayton water tower, with its top and bottom cut off so that they were flat rather than pointed. Small blue lights ringed the center, and periodically over the next few minutes flames shot out of the bottom, flaring outward, creating the effect of a large cone. Every time the fire dissipated, the UFO floated a few feet downwards toward the road. But when the flames blasted out again, the object rose about the same distance." (Clark, 175)

The witnesses said the heat was strong enough to make the car's metal body painful to the touch—Cash said she had to use her coat to protect her hand from being burnt when she finally re-entered the car. When she touched the car's dashboard, Vickie Landrum's hand pressed into the softened vinyl, leaving an imprint that was evident weeks later. Investigators cited this handprint as proof of the witnesses' account; however, no photograph of the alleged handprint exists.

The object then moved to a point higher in the sky. As it ascended over the treetops, the witnesses claimed that a group of helicopters approached the object and surrounded it in tight formation. Cash and Landrum counted 23 helicopters, and later identified some of them as tandem-rotor CH-47 Chinooks used by military forces worldwide.

Investigators later located a Dayton police officer, Detective Lamar Walker, and his wife who claimed to have seen 12 Chinook-type helicopters near the same area the Cash-Landrum event allegedly occurred and at roughly the same time. These other witnesses did not report seeing a large diamond-shaped object.

One day in April 1981, a CH-47 flew into Dayton. As Colby watched he became very upset. Vickie decided to take him to the spot where the helicopter had landed with the hope that it would seem less frightening on the ground. When they reached the landing zone, they found a lot of people there already and had to wait some time before they were allowed to go inside the helicopter and talk to the pilot. Vickie and another visitor both claim that the pilot said he had been in the area before for the purpose of checking on a UFO in trouble near Huffman. When Vickie told the pilot how glad she was to see him, because she had been one of the people burned by the UFO, he refused to talk to them further and hustled them out of the aircraft.

After the UFO and helicopters left, Cash took the Landrums home, then retired for the evening. That night, they all experienced similar symptoms, though Cash to a greater degree. All suffered from nausea, vomiting, diarrhea, generalized weakness, a burning sensation in their eyes, and feeling as though they'd suffered sunburns.[citation needed]

Over the next few days, Cash's symptoms worsened, with many large, painful blisters forming on her skin. When taken to a hospital emergency room on January 3, 1981, Clark writes, Cash "could not walk, and had lost large patches of skin and clumps of hair. She was released after 12 days, though her condition was not much better, and she later returned to the hospital for another 15 days."(Clark, 176)

The Landrums' health was somewhat better, though both suffered from lingering weakness, skin sores and hair loss.

A radiologist who examined the witnesses' medical records for MUFON wrote, "We have strong evidence that these patients have suffered secondary damage to ionizing radiation. It is also possible that there was an infrared or ultraviolet component as well."

Vickie Landrum telephoned a number of U.S. government agencies and officials about the encounter. When she telephoned NASA, Landrum was steered toward NASA aerospace engineer John Schuessler, long interested in UFOs. With some associates from civilian UFO research group MUFON, Schuessler began research on the case, and later wrote articles and a book on the subject. Astronomer Allan Hendry of CUFOS also briefly investigated the Cash-Landrum case.

Due to the Chinook helicopters' presence, the witnesses presumed that at least one branch of the United States Armed Forces witnessed the object, if they were not escorting or pursuing it. However, investigators could find no evidence linking the helicopters with any branch of the military.

In 1982, Lt. Col. George Sarran of the Department of the Army Inspector General began the only thorough formal governmental investigation into the supposed UFO encounter. He could not find any evidence that the helicopters the witnesses claimed to have seen belonged to the U.S. Armed Forces. Sarran stated that "Ms. Landrum and Ms. Cash were credible … the policeman and his wife [who claimed to have seen 12 helicopters near the UFO encounter site] were also credible witnesses. There was no perception that anyone was trying to exaggerate the truth."

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