Charleston Shooting Happened During Active Shooter Drill !

originally posted by: JUhrman

originally posted by: Vasa Croe
Wait....what? There is actually a debate on whether the shooting in Charleston was real? Wow...now I am really lost.

Welcome to ATS 2.0 where everything is a false flag unless proven otherwise. Where reality is a computer simulation unless proven otherwise. Where literally everything is a lie unless proven otherwise.


Yes people on ATS are all perfectly sane why do you ask?

Shill!

a reply to: Nova937

Sunset on the 17th June was 8:30pm, explains why it's in daylight.

It is said he sat in church with his soon to be victims for around an hour, so it would appear the time on the cctv footage is correct, apart from the AM and PM bit..

originally posted by: Chadwickus
a reply to: Nova937

Sunset on the 17th June was 8:30pm, explains why it's in daylight.

It is said he sat in church with his soon to be victims for around an hour, so it would appear the time on the cctv footage is correct, apart from the AM and PM bit..

It says on the CCTV still 08:16:58. 0 before a number usually means AM.

Granted that this could be a mistake. Or it could not. This is why we discuss these things! The Charleston Shooting is highly speculative. Hence it is in Skunkworks.

The Media and Government side of the story is Highly Speculative to say the least given their past drills turned apparent real events.

originally posted by: Nova937
The Charleston Shooting is highly speculative.

How so?

- Guy got caught and confessed, currently being investigated
- Plenty of witnesses
- Video of the arrest
- Premeditation according to friends
- Existing mobile (love deception leading to resentment against black people)
- Pictures, testimonies and a manifesto explaining his slow descent into the white supremacist mindset



Literally how is this speculative but in the mind of someone who refuses to face reality?


Do you mean the victims got shot with speculative bullets? Or that the shooter spew speculative hate speech as he was doing his sinister speculative job? Or that the speculative pictures and speculative videos only show a speculative person?


You guys are getting ridiculous. I love a good conspiracy too but I don't need one so bad I start deluding myself into making everything a conspiracy.

a reply to: JUhrman

Those doors look like they're 20 feet tall too !!

Hmmm.

The insistence that the shooting happened the same day as an active shooter drill in the same city as proof of correlation, even purposeful intent, for the two to be connected is akin to claiming if an arsonist sets a business on fire and there were fire drills being conducted in the same city, they must be related events.

originally posted by: usernameconspiracy
The insistence that the shooting happened the same day as an active shooter drill in the same city as proof of correlation, even purposeful intent, for the two to be connected is akin to claiming if an arsonist sets a business on fire and there were fire drills being conducted in the same city, they must be related events.

There can be NO voice of reason in this thread....BEGONE!

And yes....that is exactly the point many of us are trying to make but you somehow seemed to state it much more eloquently than I was able to.

a reply to: usernameconspiracy

Please post the probability of these two events happening the same day based on the calendar posted in the OP. Basic calculation anyone can do.


If you can't or don't want to it's a proof you are deceiving the thread claiming this is improbable when actually it is quite probable. Or simply an indication thar you don't understand statistics

a reply to: JUhrman

Huh?

I think you are misreading my statement. As far as I can tell we are both on the same page regarding the the probability that one city could indeed have an active shooter training going on as well as an actual active shooter crime on the same day.

I merely used fire drills and arson to highlight the ridiculousness of drawing the conclusion both happening on the same day is proof of a planned event, rather than a mere coincidence.

a reply to: usernameconspiracy

Sorry you are right. English is not my native language and sometimes I do get lost in translation

a reply to: JUhrman

Wow you are full of hate. I suggest maybe a break from ATS.

What I think you're trying to do is get me to break T&C, not gonna happen buddy!

Have a nice day...

a reply to: usernameconspiracy
If it happened once, you would be correct.

You guys are arguing this all wrong. Listen for the pin drop..

Name a terrorist-style attack or shooting that has taken place in the United States since September 10th, 2001, that has not somehow managed to be accompanied by a drill that is being done for the exact event that just happens to "spontaneously" begin. If anyone can drag one up, I'm going to guess that it wasn't blasted all over the news for a year after it happened, more on that later, if I get a bite..

a reply to: Bundy

No, it's ludicrous. Between, Federal, State, local municipalities, emergency response, bomb drills, shooter drills, etc., it is INCREDIBLY likely for some sort of training situation to be ongoing when an actual event occurs. It's trying to make connections that don't really exist, and it doesn't make any sense.

To what end would "they" continually do that? Plan drills, publish planned drills, and then set up an attack of the same situation as the drill, time after time, while people call them out on it. Why? If it were only once, you'd have a better point than it being a common occurrence. After the first time, "they" would change the strategy. The premise that there are people smart enough to plan all of this, but too stupid to execute the plan without getting busted, is a non-starter.

There are plenty of things to legitimately question out there, but these types of theories are DOA.

I may have missed it but I still don't see what training exercises have to do with the actual shooting.
Let's suppose you're 100% right.

So what?

This IS a conspiracy site?
we put a point of view in a post.
we Dont try to brain wash people to believe what You/we think.
we leave That to the Government...

Are you serious? I get the whole conspiracy kook thing that is so common, but REALLY, you're going to say that THIS was some kind of conspiracy and not what it was - some piece of scum that went on a killing rampage and took the lives of 9 people?! You think that the 'government' decided to do it? WTF really?

It's really insulting to the people who were victims to this to say such a thing. Wow.

The point is that from a conspiracy perspective these events indicate an ongoing black operation that stretches back to 911.


In fact they already have the next op ready to go at any time.


They do this for many reasons, or they derive multiple benefits from these operations that include:


The ongoing trauma and psychological manipulation of the American people


Events that hide vastly more important events and issues IN THIS CASE SUCH AS TPP
(The news should be looked at closely when these events occur)


In these operations they can mask the murder of anyone or any group they want to get


These are only a few examples there are many more possibilities


Gun control, Alex Jones' boogeyman, is a minor one imo.


Their after much bigger fish than guns

In fact the elite can get gun control passed any time they want to

I don't know why people jump to the conclusion every time.. without fail.. then when something like this happens, it's collusion on the part of the government. It's never suggested that the shooter had an agenda of their own. While I think it's mere coincidence, it could just easily be that the shooter chose that day because of the drill to further whatever agenda (or demented agenda) is on their mind.

It never fails, once a shooting happens immediately before all the information comes out, someone somewhere immediately calls false flag or secret conspiracy. This is sometimes done without even any regard for the fact that human lives are lost and people are frightened and suffering somewhere. There always has to be someone who ties it into the government or mind control, usually this is accompanied by the words "They're coming for our guns!"..or "It's a distraction to take our eyes off..of something."

I'm not sure what to make of this puzzling behavior..I've been watching it from afar for awhile. The Colorado shooting was supposedly to take the guns ..then it was the Gifford shooting, and well I think we know the rest. The interesting part is many years have passed , many more public shootings have happened and quite to the contrary no-one has taken anyone's guns, as a matter of fact people buy more of them now, nor has the government been sneaking us into camps during the past few years.

Do I believe there has been some secret scenes in the history of our country? Sure..has there been some false flags and questionable maneuvers? Absolutlely...however the other side of this is there are people out there who are sinister in their thinking, there are sick disillusioned people out there who commit senseless acts that cause great trauma. Instead of everyone always wanting to be first to call 'false flag" or connect everything to drills and other "nefarious" developments, perhaps it would be respectful to the dead and the communities that love them to sometimes wait until the information unfolds and presents itself. If after a period of time one sees some sort of oddity..well then speculate away. In this case this shooter has been caught, he seems to have a sick troubled history and mind(like many of the other shooters), so it doesn't appear to be part of some deeper issue, unless of course we turn our head away from drills and focus on what makes someone think like this in modern day society?
Just my thoughts...

a reply to: JUhrman
I think what they're suggesting is a underground psyop organization with nearly infinite resources used mkultra techniques to mind control a youth to do this killing. Why? Who knows.

They're conspiracy theorists. It's what they do. Doesn't have to make sense. It's not supposed to. It's distrust of authority.