What happened to WTC 7?

originally posted by: subfab
it didn't topple over on its side.

Why do you think it would topple over on its side? This is real life, not cartoons!

a lot of structure damage would have to occur to have a sky scrapper come down as fast as it did and in the manner it did.

It did occur - why are you ignoring that damage? Why are you ignoring the transit the FDNY had on it, so they knew the building was bulging and would collapse?

Why do you think it would topple over on its side? This is real life, not cartoons!

a reply to: hellobruce


because only one side was facing the twin towers. that side took some damage. it doesn't make sense to me that all sides of the building went boom. section by section would go down. the most accepted reason the twin towers came down the way they did is the jet fuel melted the beams. this was suppose to be the reason why the towers came down. there was no jet fuel in building 7. but it too came down in a similar manner as the two towers. that's my question when i think about building 7. why did it come down the same way the two towers did when it did not have jet fuel melting the beams?

a reply to: subfab

World Trade Center 7 is alive and well in Argentina where Marylin Munroe is dry humping Hitler and Eva is feeding Elvis lettuce.

a reply to: Forensick

while jim morrison sings to them 'break on through to the other side'

originally posted by: Forensick
a reply to: subfab

World Trade Center 7 is alive and well in Argentina where Marylin Munroe is dry humping Hitler and Eva is feeding Elvis lettuce.

ha ha ha
nice!

originally posted by: subfab
the most accepted reason the twin towers came down the way they did is the jet fuel melted the beams.

Garbage, why do you claim that? What reports states the beams were melted?

when it did not have jet fuel melting the beams?

What melted beams are you babbling about?

None of these steel-structured buildings collapsed after hours and hours (some a couple days) of being on fire:

www.serendipity.li...

a reply to: Kromlech

Truth is that no public firefighter would be allowed in top secret areas that were located in wtc 7. In the interest of national security the building had to be pulled.

All the top secret information hidden in a top secret location would be compromised by a match and a spy pretending to be a fireman, could you imagine?

In time this will be known. National security is most important and trumps all laws.

a reply to: Shadow Herder

In my town we have an FBI/ATF offices in a building . The FD has access to these offices

Been number of alarms and some fires in the building - so far nobody has tried to pull it

The NJ State police have an annex in town - store evidence there including lot of drug cases

Couple of years ago some druggies decided to burn the building to destroy the evidence

We went into the building to extinguish the fire - nobody pulled the building

You lose ...... Again.......

a reply to: Kromlech

Lets see

First Interstate Bank

www.lafire.com...

No structural damage ie no jet plane crashed into it, fire proofing not damaged

Almost 400 Fire fighters fought the fire

Meridan Plaza

en.wikipedia.org...

Again no initial structural damage, fire proofing intact (and different materials), sprinklers intact which put out fire

Windsor Tower

www.911myths.com...

Different construction, ie concrete core, top floors DID COLLAPSE or did you miss that

The steel columns above the 17th floor suffered complete collapse, partially coming to rest on the upper technical floor.

Cases of apples and oranges - different construction, fire proofing intact, no structural damage prior to fire
and most important these fires were fought........

a reply to: firerescue

We are not talking dinky little places. Wtc 7 was considered a high level place with New York City Office of Emergency Management, National Association of Insurance Commissioners, Federal Home Loan Bank, First State Management Group Inc., Provident Financial Management, and the Immigration and Naturalization Service. The Department of Defense (DOD) and Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) shared the 25th floor with the IRS.

By your silly theory anyone can pull a fire alarm and bypass the secret service then have access to all that national security information and items. No can do. Most top secret places have their own fire brigades like the Pentagon.

World trade Center 7 was pulled for not only safety but in the name of national security.


What did I lose again? Not a game kiddo.

originally posted by: Shadow Herder
World trade Center 7 was pulled for not only safety but in the name of national security.

So you think either buildings are prewired and installed with tonnes of explosives, or the FDNY ran into a burning, creaking collapsing building and installed tonnes of explosives in a few hours.... or they used mini nukes!

The conspiracy theories get sillier and sillier!

a reply to: Shadow Herder

List of tenants at WTC 7

en.wikipedia.org...

Most of the tenant space was leased by Salomon Smith Barney brokerage. Know several people who worked there

Standard Chartered Bank is another major tenant - investment bank Spent weekend wiring up trading floor
when they moved to new location on 40th St .

ITT Hartford insurance , Provident Financial Mgmt , Federal Home Loan Bank - look like real super sekrit

Only gubmint clients are IRS, Security Exchange Commission, and Secret Service

Secret Service is responsible for investigating counterfeiting and financial crimes . NY office was to support
visits by president and other dignitaries to NYC

Fire Brigades ?? Only large DOD installations like military posts have there own fire brigades . Not in heart of major
urban city Would depend on local fire departments

What compelling reason exists for destroying entire building for "national security" Besides papers and computer hard
drives would still survive - which is why people use shredders and degausser to destroy data not explosives

originally posted by: firerescue
a reply to: Shadow Herder



What compelling reason exists for destroying entire building for "national security" Besides papers and computer hard
drives would still survive - which is why people use shredders and degausser to destroy data not explosives

So youre saying that they should of "shredded" and "degaussed" top secret information as WTC 7 was burning? Silly logic as usual. That would insinuate that they were expecting wtc 7 to be destroyed but lets assume they didnt. There were many locked areas that just dont become unlocked to the public because of smoke. The building was still under key when it was pulled.

The first building to be cleaned up was wtc 7. If you understood the laws concerning national security you would be shocked what can be done to preserve it.

I remember Sheperd Smith (Fox News) and another guy on Fox listening in to chatter from the fire dept live. They heard them discussing getting everyone away from WTC 7 due to it being unstable and that they were bringing in demolition experts to bring it down as safely as possible. Didn't any of you guys hear that? WTC 7 has never been a mystery to me.

STM

a reply to: seentoomuch

Good vid.

a reply to: Shadow Herder

Thanks for the vid. Guess CNN caught that info too. No mystery here.

STM

originally posted by: seentoomuch
and that they were bringing in demolition experts to bring it down as safely as possible. Didn't any of you guys hear that?

No one heard it as it never happened! You do not prepare a building that is going to collapse with tonnes of explosives in a few hours.... and if it was going to collapse why not just let it, like they did.
Remember,

Captain Varriale told Chief Coloe and myself that 7 World Trade Center was badly damaged on the south side and definitely in danger of collapse. Chief Coloe said we were going to evacuate the collapse zone around 7 World Trade Center, which we did. graphics8.nytimes.com...

and

Fire chief Daniel Nigro says further assessment of the damage indicated that it was severe: The biggest decision we had to make was to clear the area and create a collapse zone around the severely damaged [WTC Building 7]. A number of fire officers and companies assessed the damage to the building. The appraisals indicated that the building's integrity was in serious doubt. www.cooperativeresearch.org...

and

Deputy Chief Peter Hayden Division 1 - 33 years ...also we were pretty sure that 7 World Trade Center would collapse. Early on, we saw a bulge in the southwest corner between floors 10 and 13, and we had put a transit on that and we were pretty sure she was going to collapse. You actually could see there was a visible bulge, it ran up about three floors. It came down about 5 o’clock in the afternoon, but by about 2 o’clock in the afternoon we realized this thing was going to collapse. Firehouse: Was there heavy fire in there right away? Hayden: No, not right away, and that’s probably why it stood for so long because it took a while for that fire to develop. It was a heavy body of fire in there and then we didn’t make any attempt to fight it. That was just one of those wars we were just going to lose. We were concerned about the collapse of a 47-story building there. We were worried about additional collapse there of what was remaining standing of the towers and the Marriott, so we started pulling the people back after a couple of hours of surface removal and searches along the surface of the debris. We started to pull guys back because we were concerned for their safety. www.firehouse.com...

So the people whose job it is to know knew it was going to collapse, so they pulled the firefighting crews out.

originally posted by: seentoomuch
a reply to: Shadow Herder

Thanks for the vid. Guess CNN caught that info too. No mystery here.

STM

Yes the fact is that wtc 7 was pulled (brought down). No denying that. National security for ya.

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