The Recurring Counterfeit Sky & Possible Chemtrail Connection (Parts 1-3)

a reply to: tigertatzen

The sun. I noticed a change in the nature of sunlight coming through the atmosphere back in the late 90's. We had a brutal and unusual stretch of 100+ weather one of those summers in the late 90's. I'm not sure of the exact year. 1998 or 1999. Probably 1999. We spent a lot of time in the river a few minutes walk away because the heat and sun were so searing and oppressive.

The following summer I recall being chilled starting in June when not in the sun or if the sun was behind clouds even though it was in the 80's or above. I've noticed that difference ever since in summer when I'm in the shade or the clouds are blocking sunlight.

Also, the sun on my skin feels burning hot very quickly. I noticed that as well.

Perhaps the sun is going through a typical cycle of decay in line with the nature of suns. It seems everything else is. Nothing in physical reality stays the same indefinitely. Things deteriorate and die because everything has a shelf life.

originally posted by: tweetie
a reply to: tigertatzen

The sun. I noticed a change in the nature of sunlight coming through the atmosphere back in the late 90's. We had a brutal and unusual stretch of 100+ weather one of those summers in the late 90's. I'm not sure of the exact year. 1998 or 1999. Probably 1999. We spent a lot of time in the river a few minutes walk away because the heat and sun were so searing and oppressive.

The following summer I recall being chilled starting in June when not in the sun or if the sun was behind clouds even though it was in the 80's or above. I've noticed that difference ever since in summer when I'm in the shade or the clouds are blocking sunlight.

Also, the sun on my skin feels burning hot very quickly. I noticed that as well.

Perhaps the sun is going through a typical cycle of decay in line with the nature of suns. It seems everything else is. Nothing in physical reality stays the same indefinitely. Things deteriorate and die because everything has a shelf life.

The problem that I personally have with it just being natural aging of the sun or other environmental issues is that no one is acknowledging it at all or even attempting to give an explanation. It's not as if only a few people are questioning what's going on with the sky. Lots of people are coming forward and talking about it, particularly the sun. Yet it has not been addressed in the media nor explained. If the shelf life of the sun was causing visual anomalies, we'd have seen some type of research material out there with published results by now.

But no one wants to talk about it. To me, that is suspicious. And I feel very strongly that the Mandela Effect is connected to this...and look at the disproportionate amount of trolling that thread got. Like killing a mosquito with a bazooka.

You are welcome to pm me as I am also noticing things that most others won't admit to. It's frustrating to say the least. I first noticed the fake sky about 4 months ago. I too almost need to photograph some of it, though it's more noticeable nights and my awareness is a bit different than yours. I don't wanna hijack your thread but kudos,

a reply to: tigertatzen

Understood!

For the sake of what I keep track of concerning so many changes I've noticed independent of any outside information or comparison with others, I keep these things in mind:

a. the composition of jet fuel was changed in the mid-90's. This is when I began noticing strange changes to the clouds and sky including rainbow colors not having anything to do with normal rainbows. This was before my having a PC and I didn't come across the information about the jet fuel change until 2000.

b. the Indonesian earthquake of 2004 and another severe quake in 2009 or 2010 changed the tilt of Earth's axis. The Japan quake in 2011 also changed earth's tilt. I have to think about which quake and the year on the second one I mentioned. I felt these changes in relation to my own spinal alignment (which may sound weird, ha ha.) I think it was 2010 for that second earthquake.

c. the earth's magnetic field has been weakening and magnetic north has been wandering.

d. our solar system began moving through the Local Fluff, an interstellar dust cloud, in 2009.

e. more cosmic rays (radiation) have been entering our solar system because of reduced solar activity and our reduced magnetic field which also change the physics of our atmosphere.

f. there have been waves of energy hitting this solar system and possibly the whole galaxy. Were they defined as gravity waves by science? I think.

g. CERN.

These are just some of the items I've mentally collected which come to mind right now and I've left out the more esoteric and devious influences in this list.

To me, we are in uncharted waters, so to speak, and our sense alarms (for those who are sensitive which is about 1/4 of the population depending on race; re: "The Highly Sensitive Person") are going off almost continuously as our body/minds register these unfamiliar signals, input and sensations.

Just a "for what it's worth" to anyone from my perspective on things!!



Oh, and here's a website link I came across yesterday at someone's (BPEarthwatch) YouTube channel:

Global Coherence Research

I haven't read all of it yet but I know it's up my alley.

I can tell from my in-box sent file this last PM I sent to you was opened but if you responded I didn't receive it: 19-5-2016 @ 02:24 PM (Lol!)

originally posted by: 4runner96740
You are welcome to pm me as I am also noticing things that most others won't admit to. It's frustrating to say the least. I first noticed the fake sky about 4 months ago. I too almost need to photograph some of it, though it's more noticeable nights and my awareness is a bit different than yours. I don't wanna hijack your thread but kudos,

No, please, don't think you're hijacking it. I for one would love to hear your story. Do you feel comfortable posting it here? If not, I'll be happy to PM you.

originally posted by: tweetie
a reply to: tigertatzen

Understood!

For the sake of what I keep track of concerning so many changes I've noticed independent of any outside information or comparison with others, I keep these things in mind:

a. the composition of jet fuel was changed in the mid-90's. This is when I began noticing strange changes to the clouds and sky including rainbow colors not having anything to do with normal rainbows. This was before my having a PC and I didn't come across the information about the jet fuel change until 2000.

b. the Indonesian earthquake of 2004 and another severe quake in 2009 or 2010 changed the tilt of Earth's axis. The Japan quake in 2011 also changed earth's tilt. I have to think about which quake and the year on the second one I mentioned. I felt these changes in relation to my own spinal alignment (which may sound weird, ha ha.) I think it was 2010 for that second earthquake.

c. the earth's magnetic field has been weakening and magnetic north has been wandering.

d. our solar system began moving through the Local Fluff, an interstellar dust cloud, in 2009.

e. more cosmic rays (radiation) have been entering our solar system because of reduced solar activity and our reduced magnetic field which also change the physics of our atmosphere.

f. there have been waves of energy hitting this solar system and possibly the whole galaxy. Were they defined as gravity waves by science? I think.

g. CERN.

These are just some of the items I've mentally collected which come to mind right now and I've left out the more esoteric and devious influences in this list.

To me, we are in uncharted waters, so to speak, and our sense alarms (for those who are sensitive which is about 1/4 of the population depending on race; re: "The Highly Sensitive Person") are going off almost continuously as our body/minds register these unfamiliar signals, input and sensations.

Just a "for what it's worth" to anyone from my perspective on things!!



Oh, and here's a website link I came across yesterday at someone's (BPEarthwatch) YouTube channel:

Global Coherence Research

I haven't read all of it yet but I know it's up my alley.

I can tell from my in-box sent file this last PM I sent to you was opened but if you responded I didn't receive it: 19-5-2016 @ 02:24 PM (Lol!)

You've got to be kidding me!! Yes, I responded, and it was a long reply too. Wtf???

If there is something to this, in a general common world way and not just a few brains in vats way, then one could tie in the Iridium Network of satellites and the weirdness there that was ID'd (poorly) on this site a few years ago, the early phases of 'holo-sky-tech' being tested near Vegas a few years ago with the Moon madness and interference lines and the secret high tech guessed to exist (or known) and perhaps even guess about why and a coming cosmic catastrophe if one wants to mull some chewy, Niburu-esque doomporn.

I'm hoping for a world wide, benevolent management system myself.. .one can dream.

If all these reports have veracity, then something huge is literally up ... highly strange and one could waste a few weeks tying it all together into a catch all conspiracy that would never end and we're back to brains in vats... good thing this is all a ride, or might as well be, anyway.

originally posted by: Baddogma
If there is something to this, in a general common world way and not just a few brains in vats way, then one could tie in the Iridium Network of satellites and the weirdness there that was ID'd (poorly) on this site a few years ago, the early phases of 'holo-sky-tech' being tested near Vegas a few years ago with the Moon madness and interference lines and the secret high tech guessed to exist (or known) and perhaps even guess about why and a coming cosmic catastrophe if one wants to mull some chewy, Niburu-esque doomporn.

I'm hoping for a world wide, benevolent management system myself.. .one can dream.

If all these reports have veracity, then something huge is literally up ... highly strange and one could waste a few weeks tying it all together into a catch all conspiracy that would never end and we're back to brains in vats... good thing this is all a ride, or might as well be, anyway.

I believe with all my heart that something is up. I also believe that we're about to find out exactly what, very soon.

I've never really paid much attention to the Niburu thing until recently. But now that I read about it last night, I'm not so sure it's farfetched. I had a very vivid dream about an event that happens on 26 September of this year. It would be off topic for me to elaborate, but suffice it to say that I have become reasonably certain that my dream may have been prophetic. Well, I read last night that the Niburu system is supposed to pass into ours between 23 September and 22 December.

So I got to pondering this. The biggest argument against Niburu is that it is not visible from Earth, and should be if it's as close as they say it is. But what if it IS? What if it's so visible that people can see it with the naked eye? The world governments obviously would have a vested interest in hiding something that catastrophic from humanity. Well, maybe the fake sky is what is preventing us from seeing this enormous interloper heading our way. Maybe they're working on some type of weapon or something to veer it off course.

Or, even further down the rabbit hole, what if the Niburu system is not a system at all? What if it's an armada? Maybe our leaders are preparing for its arrival and are hiding their activities behind a projection to avoid a global panic.

I'm just theorizing, of course. There is no hard data to back up what I'm suggesting. But I do not believe that the fake sky is in any way a natural occurrence. I stopped trying to convince myself of that a long while ago.

a reply to: tigertatzen

Well, one "good" reason for a projected false sky might be the oft spoken about "Project Bluebeam" where governments fake an alien invasion to unite the world... I still think that is... er, far-fetched, but it's a glimmer of hope as imminent, titanic, global disasters isn't fun to contemplate.

Heck, a week long interruption of the grid is cataclysmic in this world we've built.

Of course, if this "maybe" incomer IS the one the fables speak of, then a warlike race lives there and "owns" us... so it could be a system AND an armada...


But I'd like to believe my imaginary friends in the secret space force will have our backs!

But really, and totally seriously for once, environmental degradation/change, mass drought and migrations are happening and thousands are dying as we type this, so the stuff we KNOW for sure about (assuming we're not heads in vats, that is) is bad enough, and trying to forget that for a few hours is one reason I skim conspiracy sites for fun...

if something is coming that is worse than the stuff some poor folks already experience on this planet, here's hoping we get taken out quickly!

But what a shame... despite our foibles, I kinda like Earthlings.

originally posted by: Baddogma
a reply to: tigertatzen

Well, one "good" reason for a projected false sky might be the oft spoken about "Project Bluebeam" where governments fake an alien invasion to unite the world... I still think that is... er, far-fetched, but it's a glimmer of hope as imminent, titanic, global disasters isn't fun to contemplate.

Heck, a week long interruption of the grid is cataclysmic in this world we've built.

Of course, if this "maybe" incomer IS the one the fables speak of, then a warlike race lives there and "owns" us... so it could be a system AND an armada...

But I'd like to believe my imaginary friends in the secret space force will have our backs!

But really, and totally seriously for once, environmental degradation/change, mass drought and migrations are happening and thousands are dying as we type this, so the stuff we KNOW for sure about (assuming we're not heads in vats, that is) is bad enough, and trying to forget that for a few hours is one reason I skim conspiracy sites for fun...

if something is coming that is worse than the stuff some poor folks already experience on this planet, here's hoping we get taken out quickly!

But what a shame... despite our foibles, I kinda like Earthlings.

I think someone else mentioned Project Blue Beam too. Uniting the Earth world be groovy, but somehow I think once everyone found out they'd been duped, they'd have an even bigger problem on their hands. Humans are far too warlike to embrace the concept of something being done for the greater good. Of course, I'm a cynic when it comes to humanity. I've so very rarely witnessed the positive side of it.

I can definitely appreciate the wisdom of hiding an imminent extinction level hostile invasion or cataclysmic event...the least things we would ever experience would be fear and defeat. What a horrible way to end it all.

I think I'd prefer not to know if a cataclysmic event was incoming. But an invasion, I'd want to know. I'd want to die with my eyes open, fighting til the bitter end. Either way, the idea that anyone would think they were qualified to decide what the inhabitants of this planet see or don't see just pisses me off on general principle. I just want the truth.

a reply to: tigertatzen

Other than slight vog due to volcano the skies pretty much stay clear of clouds near the sea level here in hawaii. Until 4-6 months ago. EVERY single night for months there is this cloudish, foggyish, haze that sets in right at ocean level. Not island wide, but here and there. The weather also seems to deaden sound and even in clear skies the stars (or pretends) are just baffling. They are either hugely brilliant and white, or smaller and orange. They only group in triangles or diamond shapes and they hover or seem to swim in the sky, tenderly, suggesting largish crafts just slowly swaying left,right, up, down, get hugely bright, then very dim. They are never in the same position or even section of the sky, and they are numerous; recently the moon has decided to defy all logic and travel drunkenly as well. Clouds or clear skies this is now the norm. I find this super interesting and at first thought others would too....not at all. Exact opposite, they see it once and refuse to look at the show again. They go into this mode of denial or self preservation no longer looking at the sky and avoiding the outdoors while dark. It is so strange. These stars are able to be very close in our upper atmosphere and within seconds shift to outer space silently of course.
During the day it is as if the lighting from the sun has been given some added amps. It shines brilliantly off the clouds almost like it's morning all day. it creates a kind of shimmery base on things. Cloaking maybe? I have also noticed the sluggishness as well. Small things like walking up the driveway will absolutely drain me completely but happens much less, scary to think that we may be adapting or something. Thought at first this was military/government activity but we don't have the funds to keep multiple crafts or whatever hovering in the sky night after night for 6+ months and frankly though I love a good conspiracy people tend to give the government more credit than they should. The gov is far too busy filling out forms in double then triplicate, copied, edited, and then redone on colored paper while in a teleconference discussing how they suddenly don't know if they should sit or stand while using the wrong restroom because complete retardation has set in. Also not drones as w do not have drones in hawaii that are this big across. I don't want to poke sticks at a sleeping beast but I won't stick my head in the sand lying to myself either. How do you rationalize something like this when it is not physically possible to begin with?

a reply to: tigertatzen

Perhaps you can forward it to me from your sent file and see what happens???

Just to be more clear, hopefully, all of the major changes I listed are going on in the background which opens the door to many personal effects. I wouldn't call these natural changes as in what we were formerly used to and adjusted to, but are fundamental changes to the nature/fabric of this environment. That, to me, is huge.

The magnetic field weakening around Earth for example, and which is mostly apparent on the U.S. for some reason, is a destabilizing force and opens the door for other forces of all sorts (use the imagination) to enter. The magnetic field, according to my 'non-left brain only' understanding of it, is that which "holds things (the forces of nature which govern this reality, or physics) in place."

Does this make sense?

If the clouds are also projected then how does one explain being able to travel through them by climbing hills and mountains, aircraft or parachuting through them.

If they are some sort of holographic projection then how are they also holding the moisture to make a person/object wet as they travel through?

Also why would they project a complete layer of clouds below existing layers of cloud that you can see above when you climb through a cloud by whatever means?

If you can find footage of a parachutist, climber, gilder pilot... passing through a dry cloud i'll give it more thought after all there are 1000's of people travelling through clouds with 'go-pros?' every day so surely they would have found a projected one by now?

originally posted by: johnb
If the clouds are also projected then how does one explain being able to travel through them by climbing hills and mountains, aircraft or parachuting through them.

If they are some sort of holographic projection then how are they also holding the moisture to make a person/object wet as they travel through?

Also why would they project a complete layer of clouds below existing layers of cloud that you can see above when you climb through a cloud by whatever means?

If you can find footage of a parachutist, climber, gilder pilot... passing through a dry cloud i'll give it more thought after all there are 1000's of people travelling through clouds with 'go-pros?' every day so surely they would have found a projected one by now?

If I understood the mechanics of it, I promise, I would have explained it by now. I have the same questions that you have.

The only thing I can think of is that this is not solely a "dry" projection. There are definitely clouds and precipitation. I just think they're manufactured. And we know that is perfectly possible because it's already been made public that weather has been artificially manipulated. They did it for the Olympics.

I can tell you that the rain smells like chemicals and not rain, has a peculiar oily feeling to it like soft water from a filter, sometimes stings my skin and itches, so I avoid getting it on me...but it is still water that falls from above us in the sky.

I can tell you that the sun only warms (burns, really) whatever is directly in its light, but everything else remains cool to the touch. I can tell you that if I stand in the sun for even two or three minutes, that burning light will leave a mark on my skin from the concentrated heat, but if I move out of it into the shade of a tree I become chilled, because the light is not actually warming the ambient environment. But it is still an orb of light that hangs above us in the sky.

I have spent more than four years of my life pondering this, reading anything I can find that might lend a clue to what exactly is happening. But I am not an expert. Even though I am very intelligent individual, a rational and reasoning individual, I cannot adequately hypothesize a scenario that people with more technical knowledge don't dismiss outright because I don't have a solid way to refute their arguments. It is sad, really, that people cite science as some confirmation that everything in the Universe only happens exactly the way we think it does. True scientists know that they don't have all the answers, and that the knowledge that they DO have is not a cookie cutter panacea that can be applied to every single scenario.

Science does not advance because of rigid beliefs in the infallibility of what we have already chosen to accept as being irrefutable truth. It advances because brilliantly inquisitive, highly educated, dedicated people are humble enough to realize that many possibilities exist in the Universe and one of those is that what we've always thought to be absolute may very well not be.

Scientific "truths" are amended or disproved quite often because new evidence comes to light that forces us to see the known world in a different way and the reason for that is, science does not assume that we have nothing left to learn. Science does not say ,"case closed". Science reaches beyond that and asks, "But what if?".

In short, it's easy for someone like that to make someone like me look either crazy or stupid or both, which is invariably what happens whenever I talk about this. Which is why I rarely do. It was not an easy decision for me to write this thread. I deleted several drafts before I finally wrote this one. I knew once I published it, I was opening myself up to ridicule and abuse. And I was not disappointed. But I knew there had to be more than just me out there experiencing this, so I took the chance.

I don't expect anyone to believe me. Until 2011, I wouldn't have believed me either. My hope was that, instead of beating to death all the many reasons why this can't be possible, people might actually come together and find solid reasons why it CAN be. Some people have actually done just that, and I am beyond grateful for it.

I have authored three threads in four years of membership here. That should, if nothing else, indicate that when I actually DO have something to share, it is important enough to me to want to share it with others in the first place. If it were not, I would not waste my time and effort. Yet the reaction from a lot of people is that I'm just some "woo woo" fringe nutbag with an overactive imagination. One person on this thread actually blatantly said that I am suffering from some form of psychosis and need to seek professional help. And did the mods have my back? No they did not; the post remained.

People always say they want pics or video. Well, I provided three photos in my OP, taken in separate locations, by separate people, within minutes of each other...who were completely unaware that anyone else was doing the same. Neither of the other two people perceive what I do...or if they do, their logical mind simply denies it. They were just struck by the odd appearance of the sky and decided to photograph it.

In those photos, it is clear that the appearance of the sun and sky is not normal. None of the photos are filtered, only cropped to remove anything that might constitute a breach of the privacy of the people who took the photos, because they were not posted publicly.

But photos weren't good enough. It must have been shopped. Or my brand new phone with its brand new camera (as well as the cameras of the other people, presumably) must have been broken. Or it was some trick of the light.

The bottom line is, when someone does not want to believe something, no amount of proof is going to change that. The only way to change it is for them to experience it personally. I don't mean that in a dismissive or rude way...it's just a fact.

I don't hold that against anyone. I was the same way myself. For someone who lives their life with the strong belief that everything is either black or white, this has been a difficult struggle. The positive side is that I am far more aware of my surroundings and far more patient with my fellow human beings than I was before.

I don't know if this is a projection or simulation or altered perception. I don't know if it's being done by other humans or by some unknown hand. I don't know if it's side effects of some magnetic energy anomaly. I know what I think and have largely begun to believe, but I also know that if I voice that, I will immediately be ripped to shreds for my trouble. It's soul-sucking to be treated that way, and I have no desire to afford anyone the opportunity to do so.

I continue to look for answers. I have just as many questions as anyone else does about this. If I didn't, I wouldn't be here.

I really wish that people would just, for a moment, allow themselves to pretend that they can see these things too and approach the issue objectively...it doesn't matter if they don't believe it. They just have to imagine that they do.

a reply to: tigertatzen

I really wish that people would just, for a moment, pretend that they can see these things too and approach the issue objectively...it doesn't matter if they don't believe it. They just have to imagine that they do.

People pretend that Santa exists. What does that accomplish? Besides keeping the kids a bit better behaved for a couple of weeks.

originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: tigertatzen

I really wish that people would just, for a moment, pretend that they can see these things too and approach the issue objectively...it doesn't matter if they don't believe it. They just have to imagine that they do.

People pretend that Santa exists. What does that accomplish? Besides keeping the kids a bit better behaved for a couple of weeks.

Phage, I understand your point. But this is not the same as believing a story passed down over hundreds of years about a fat guy in a red suit magically cramming his purportedly wide girth down impossibly narrow chimney flues.

Although science says that if an opening is large enough to fit your head through, the rest of you can fit in there too, I have to say I do not believe that to be universally true. In fact, I've witnessed it to be otherwise.

This isn't a fairy tale I was told by someone. Before this happened to me, I would have openly mocked such a story. In fact I probably would have been extremely nasty about it. I've treated people that way before, and I feel ashamed of myself for doing so.

It's not a good feeling to have something like this happening. It's frightening and, at least for myself, makes me feel incredibly alone and isolated. And having to deal with that already, when people start mocking me and implying that I'm just imagining things, it just makes me want to cry. And after reading several of the incredibly mean, hateful posts on this thread, that's exactly what I did.

I left the site for a long while because of that. I'm pretty tough and scrappy, but I've got feelings just like everyone else, and that really hurt. I am not mentally challenged or stupid. I'm not imagining things or suffering from a mental illness. I am not psychotic. I am not hallucinating or having delusions.

This is happening, not just to me but to a growing number of people. And we don't know each other or live in the same location or have any influence on each other. This is not some mass hallucination. None of us know what is going on. We just know that something is.

a reply to: tigertatzen

This is happening, not just to me but to a growing number of people. And we don't know each other or live in the same location or have any influence on each other.

Ain't the internet cool?
It did, after all, enable the whole "chemtrail" thing to get started.

I don't see what you see. Why should I pretend I do?

a reply to: Baddogma

I'm hoping for a world wide, benevolent management system myself.. .one can dream.

Ah, the old Jacques Vallee 'Control System' theory - I love that one. The GUT wrote a brilliant thread about it, which can be found here. I sincerely believe we are all on to something. As said in the OP of this particular thread, almost a year ago to the day - something big is coming/happening. We all are witnesses to the fact that strange things are going on. You could say 'The game is afoot', with regards to the sky/ Sun/ Mandela Effect weirdness.

I'm glad this thread has been revived, and I'll be covering some of the most recent pages before I start to join in the conversation. Glad to see a migration of familiar faces from the Mandela Effect thread - look forward to the discussions.

originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: tigertatzen

This is happening, not just to me but to a growing number of people. And we don't know each other or live in the same location or have any influence on each other.

Ain't the internet cool?
It did, after all, enable the whole "chemtrail" thing to get started.

I don't see what you see. Why should I pretend I do?

Alright, since that verb bothers you, I'll use your Santa reference to clarify. My mother, oh Great Killer of Dreams, announced there was no Santa when I was seven. I took that really hard...part of being a kid is having those magical holiday creatures to fantasize about.

Well, when my daughter was old enough to get excited about the prospect of Santa Claus, I indulged that fantasy. And of course, it got harder to come up with ways to keep that dream alive as she got older. She asked more detailed questions, etc.

I don't know if Santa Claus is real or not. I've never seen him. And if I did, I'd probably need proof of his identity before I'd accept it. Logic tells me that he's not real...he'd have to either be impossibly ancient or not a corporeal being. But my eight year old believed that he was real, and that belief was important to her. So in order to appreciate that, I had to imagine that he was real too, in order to keep the story going.

So if she asked me for instance, how he knew where to find the children if they moved around a lot; in order to get on her level of thinking, I had to imagine if Santa Claus was a real, living being with magical powers...how would he use those powers to find children who had relocated since the last time he went spelunking down their chimney flue.

I had to put myself hypothetically into her world in order to imagine how things might work there, if it were true. I used my imagination and put aside my own feelings that it was silly so that I could see things better from her perspective. I still don't believe Santa Claus is real; that did not change for me. But I could pretend for a moment that he was, so I could make that connection with my kid.

And if you were to tell me you saw something that I found to be unbelievable, I would not just arbitrarily dismiss you as a liar simply because what you're saying sounds impossible to me. I would try to imagine what I would think if I were to see it myself, and then examine it from that angle. I wasn't always that way, but I am now.

a reply to: tigertatzen

And if you were to tell me you saw something that I found to be unbelievable, I would not just arbitrarily dismiss you as a liar simply because what you're saying sounds impossible to me.

Have I dismissed you as a liar?
I said I don't see what you see. And asked why I should pretend that I do.

I would try to imagine what I would think if I were to see it myself, and then examine it from that angle. I wasn't always that way, but I am now.

You mean speculate about what you see and I don't?