What is wrong with having "red light districts" in America

a reply to: TrappedPrincess

Oh I'm happy to listen to any reasoned argument that tax avoidance is easier in the sex worker industry than any other service which is mainly cash based. You have failed to provide such a reasoned argument though. You have been presented with examples of myself, a massage therapist, a mobile hairstylist, yet you still disagree?

Please do explain how a prostitute finds it easier to not declare their cash payments compared to any other cashed based sector where self employed people work.
If your reasoned arguments support your assertions then I may change my opinion, I have an open mind, but I don't just meekly believe opinions if they are not supported by reason or logic.

originally posted by: TrappedPrincess
You are missing the point, you can not inventory your body as to how many times you had sex. Lets say that it was legal everywhere which would make it an ideal activity to launder money. Again the gubment is not going to allow people to make money off of something they can't monitor, regulate therefore tax.

Same as tipping, how much of that is reported? Cooking the books can be found out, and even easier today. The old "If you do not receive a receipt today then your screw (I mean meal) is free" thing.

In Washington, Pot was expensive but it has come down a lot and now there is a surplus so I think for those who partake it will be even cheaper, but yea you might buy from you friend who grows, in Washington you can't grow on your own, but in Organ you can grow like 5 plants.

How is this any different than the guy who works on you car and you pay him 50 bucks cash for the job?

originally posted by: TrappedPrincess
I'm with you it should be legalized, I think their may have been some confusion as to that just to be clear.

a reply to: kaylaluv

Oh okay, I get ya. I guess we just disagree on why prostitution hasn't been legalized. You say it's because it's too hard to regulate, and I think it's because of the way Christian dogma has ruled this country for so long. Look at how you can't sell liquor on Sunday morning in some states (used to be all states). If that ain't due to Christian dogma, I don't know what is.

originally posted by: Xtrozero
How is this any different than the guy who works on you car and you pay him 50 bucks cash for the job?

That is exactly my point.
The original post by TrappedPrincess is what I had issue with:

originally posted by: TrappedPrincess
The biggest reason that prostitution is illegal in most parts of the U.S. is the fact that it can be a form of unreported/untraceable income and uncle sam is not having that.

There are many millions of self employed people who are not denied their trade because it is easy to evade taxes.
The ban on prostitution is not down to taxes.

...and as I said earlier, here in the UK our tax authorities do collect tax from income declared by prostitutes. Prostitution is not illegal here, just soliciting for the business is a crime.

Ok ok guys apparently I'm wrong on this one, you can stop coming out of the woodworks to criticize me now.

a reply to: grainofsand
Thanks for putn me in my place.
But I'm gonna be upset with you the next time I'm in the ramsack with an attractive lady friend and although excited, still think of plaster and taxes.
#SCARRED4LIFE

a reply to: TrappedPrincess

Hey, I haven't criticised you personally, I've just presented a reasoned argument why I think your initial statements were wrong. This is a debating/discussion site, don't look for personal attacks where there are none.
Certainly not from me, I just love robust debate so any claims of criticism of the person are invention alone.

Curtsy, goodbye.

a reply to: grainofsand

We already have "red light districts" and have had for as long as I can remember. Just "unofficial" ones

a reply to: Gothmog

Same here in the UK, but I support the legalisation of brothels because there is much more safety for the workers in a registered and regulated environment.

My local nightclub area has table dancing and strippers which fit seamlessly into the general debauchery which is the weekend of pubs/bars/clubs, electronic dance music, coc aine and MDMA.
It is an entertainment area, not residential, and could support brothels with no more complaints than the area already generates, but one thing is for sure, the girls working the brothels would be much safer in a place where random welfare checks can be carried out at any time.

Again, curiously, UK law says it's okay to receive payment for sex, but illegal to solicit the business.
Brothels are also illegal and defined as a premise used by more than one man or woman for the purpose of prostitution.
This means that a group of prostitutes cannot provide safety for each other by working in partnership in a a house or apartment. They are forced to work alone to stay legal.
That cannot be right in my opinion.

a reply to: grainofsand
Did you know there was some states here in the US where brothels are legal ? They are state regulated and provide tax revenue for those states ?

a reply to: grainofsand

Also, bring taxed isn't always a bad thing. A few years ago I knew a prostitute that used to say she was a self employed janitor, to have something legal to pay taxes for. This gave her a supposedly legal income and she built a good credit rating with this. Good enough to get a mortgage. The proof of income was her yearly income tax assessments.

In Japan there is a brothel in almost every neighborhood.

They are not seen as dirty, and even culturally accepted.

They're usually too expensive though..

If anyone wants to promote prostitution, then they need to stomp out pimping and trafficking of sex slaves. Brothels are not the answer. The women that work in Nevada brothels are sometimes put there by pimps who take what money they have left when leaving the whorehouse. Here is a good article; en.wikipedia.org...

These women are private contractors who do not get any health benefits from the state, they pay a daily room rent, pay for their own food and give up half of their earnings up front while working. They have to submit to inspections by a doctor of the brothel's choosing. The system is set up benefit the brothel owner and the customers. What little money the prostitute has left when taking a break from the place may be taken by the pimp who placed her in the brothel.

Ranb

a reply to: Ranb40

What you need is better regulation to protect the prostitutes (workers) as well as the customers. Maybe we need a prostitution union?

But most people get it from their wives, and most Japanese tend not to be so obsessed, so you don't see people flocking there. They are discreet places and do not stand out in most cases.

originally posted by: musicismagic
I just don't get it. Man wants to pay and woman wants to make a living. What is wrong with that. Isn't it legal in Nevada?

Because 90% of prostitutes surveyed don't want to be prostitutes.

Do you think 14 year old girls are thinking, I can't wait to turn 18 so I can be a prostitute?

Women don't want to be prostitutes, they become prostitutes when they are forced to, or when they loose hope and find no other means of support.

Men need to stop fantasizing that women want to be prostitutes.

We need to provide real jobs with real incomes to women, and protect our women from prostitution.

originally posted by: musicismagic
I just don't get it. Man wants to pay and woman wants to make a living. What is wrong with that. Isn't it legal in Nevada?

Nothing.

I support legal monitored prostitution.

originally posted by: Isurrender73
Because 90% of prostitutes surveyed don't want to be prostitutes.

Do you have a link to that survey, or is that just a figure you guessed?
I'm not saying I particularly doubt it but I do like to establish if someone is making an assertion based on fact or just opinion. If it's just opinion then please make that clear instead of spouting percentages as if they are fact.

*Edit*
The only reason I ask is because I'm friends with 4 prostitutes/escorts and 3 of them do it because they make a ridiculous amount of money and enjoy the work, while the other one is a heroin addict and does it to fund her habit. She doesn't enjoy it, and wishes she could kick her addiction but drug rehab on the NHS is pretty underfunded so I expect her to go further downhill and eventually die from it in the next few years, quite tragic but not much I can do to help her except show compassion where others do not.

a reply to: Isurrender73

Maybe it depends on the individual. I knew a young woman in college who chose to be a prostitute. She made a ton of money - enough to pay her way through school and purchase a nice home and car - debt free. She enjoyed her work. She was quite a beauty and a very sociable person. She looked at it as a fun, but temporary career. Once she graduated, she became a very successful business person in a non- related business, but looks back on her previous profession with fondness. Men treated her well, took her to fancy places, even to the Caribbean once!

I don't disagree with you that women need to have options, but for those who like the work and the money it brings, let's regulate it to give them the most safety and benefits. That's all I'm sayin'.