Shock Video: Teen Boy Shot and Killed by Cop for Flashing Headlights and Flexing Rights

a reply to: Char-Lee

This is a 17 year old boy, the officer was 17 once why not just say well drive safely and let him go...he didn't need any ID for headlights flashed for it seems reasonable reasons right from the guys own mouth

I agree that's the way most old school leo's would have handled it...most of these leo's are x-military(in my area) with post traumatic disorder and hair trigger responses which is a lethal combination. something needs to be done it so out of control.I feel so bad for the parents I'm sure they are devastated.

i got pulled over for one thing I told the cop that my license was due to be renewed I had 9 months to do so according to the laws of my state,he knew nothing of this dmv law!imagine that a cop not knowing the laws!.he was a bit pissed that he couldn't give me a ticket for my dl so I got a ticket for something else....arshole
I automatically flash mine at anyone that has their brights on I think most of us do.

a reply to: everyone

Do you really need to be rude to me because I questioned something? No I wasn't even looking at my tv box as you put it. I was searching the internet for all major news networks and I was searching associated press and Reuters. I wasn't looking to be told what to believe I was looking for verification of what ATS told me to believe. Sorry if that offends you. . Geez

originally posted by: Bedlam

originally posted by: seeker1963
I give them respect as I always have! It has ALWAYS meant I got to go home versus spending some time in a jail cell or DEAD!

If a LEO can decide to execute you based on lack of cringing and fawning, then it's time to make some adjustments to the legal system.

The issue is clearly with the system.
They say if you don't like it the way it is, then change it but don't argue about it with the cop.
Well, thousands are talking about it now across the internet and via protests and the same people are saying don't talk about it either in a clever way. Just submit.

Every time a case like this case comes up, I question if the system enforcers (police) have helped or hurt society.

An Armed Bank Robber is robbing a Bank. - Police come and potentially save lives. No Police show up and you have potentially dead people and stolen money

A guy flashes his lights for another car to lower them and is pulled over - How is him being pulled over helping society and if the police did not pull him over what would have happened?

A Catatonic Man with third degree burns over his entire body from a car wreck gets told to roll on his stomach are he will be tased. How has society been helped and what would have happened if they did not show up in this case?

The Killing of Fouad Kaady
en.wikipedia.org...

A man selling loosies gets taken down - How was society helped and what would have happened if they did not show up in this case?

It is a slipperly slope to North Korean Style Fascism, and looking at the system from the top down tells me we are almost there.
Don't question or complain, just submit to those at the top and their enforcers.

originally posted by: Char-Lee

originally posted by: roaland

originally posted by: Char-Lee
a reply to: roaland

Third thing. In order for this to be decided in court, you still have to comply with the officers demands, such as. If he asks you to get out of the car,

again, read my post i fully explain this. But let me add for clarity. If a criminal wants to spend the money to outfit a $50,000+ cruiser, buy a light bar that cost another 2 grand and a body cam with a two closed circuit radios plus the cost of a new offical cop car paint job and hire someone to talk back to him on said prop just to pull people for the hell of it, all the power to them.

Oh yes but he did not prove he was an officer and if you get out of the car and he is not then what? they said we should ask for ID after the many fake cop rapes and abductions on the highway. He is a kid alone at night, should he get out? NO.
You are uninformed, it does not cost much at all and the uniforms can be bought at any uniform supply...

These are all recent, i could go one for hours putting these up..

Fake cop pulls over real cop
www.usatoday.com...
Car pulling you over -- is that a real cop?

Or, you can pull over immediately -- but keep your doors locked and only crack the window enough to pass your driver's license and registration through. AOL Autos: Fast, fuel-efficient cars

Third, get a good look at the "officer" and his credentials. If the "officer" is not in uniform, refuses to show you his badge -- or just flashes it briefly, so you can't get a good look -- keep that window rolled up and those doors locked tightly.

www.cnn.com...
Police: Fake cop tries to pull over driver in Moore
www.youtube.com...
Fake speed cop caught tricking drivers into pulling over after stopping REAL police officer by mistake
www.mirror.co.uk...
Fake police officer pulls over drivers, steals licences in Sydney's west
www.abc.net.au...

Police impersonator pulls over teen in Alpharetta

a 16-year-old driver in Alpharetta in the dark, Sunday night, and then told her he wanted to get into her car with her.
She noticed he didn't have a badge, she refused to let him into her car, and he left.

www.11alive.com...
Fake police car tries to pull over driver in Canberra's north
www.canberratimes.com.au...

Mississippi Cops Warn Drivers About Stopping for Homicidal Fake Cop
abcnews.go.com...
By Mike Perchick

Jackson police identify suspect in fake cop case
2 men use blue lights to pull over, rob driver
www.wapt.com...

Thanks for posting these I had no idea there were that many...my son-inlaw bought a used car up in Virginia last year not sure of the details but it was an ex police car that had the inside flashing lights and the siren still in working order.
how bizarre is that?

originally posted by: Answer

What sort of collective putting down of the foot should we try?

Well, letting Internal Affairs handle these cases is pretty retarded, is it not?
That is like letting the Big Banks Police themselves and that has worked out wonderfully....

How about a Citizens Board or Jury to handle cases like this, and for settlements, it comes out of their pay check rather than the tax payers?

I think that would make them more cautious and responsible when it is their money on the line?
He would have waited for backup and a witness as well with an extra body cam if the ball was thrown back in his court.

a reply to: TWILITE22

My husband had a retired police car too...but all the cool stuff had been removed. Even the decals on the doors and hood.

originally posted by: seeker1963
a reply to: alienjuggalo

He did not deserve to be shot and killed! Period.

With that being said, he was asking for problems.

When he was pulled over, he showed how he is a victim of social engineering when the police officer said "I did not have my high beems on." What did the dude do? Argue with him!

Wouldn't it have been just as easy to say, "Wow! I'm sorry officer. I could have sworn your high beems were on so I was just flashing you to let you know. Sorry." End of story!

It just gets worse from there as this young kid did nothing more than dig his own grave!

Hate on the cops all you want, but when they pull you over? Don't be an idiot.

To refresh your memory? I already said, he didn't deserve to be shot and killed!

That's strange, because you sure seem to be saying exactly that. You see this and your post is a critisism of the kid, not the cop, who gets paid by U.S. citizens to protect them. Ridiculous.

After reviewing the video carefully, I can see 3 frames showing the kid getting up immediately as the taser is going off*, one showing only his hand in an upright position, a second with him standing there facing the cop, and a third with him extending an arm towards the cop just before the camera goes off.

These 3 frames, or set of frames that can be categorized as 3 or more visible events, combined with a few seconds of sound suggesting a struggle, does point out that the cop was in fact attacked as he claimed, as the kid is leaning forward extending his arm towards the officer.

It does not look like the kid is trying to get away, or that the officer is moving towards him, but instead that he moves towards the officer and attacks with a fist which immediately sends the officer's shoulder camera off, something I very much doubt was done deliberately by the officer given the speed of events and the timing of the arm extending.

I have seen this by simply pausing the youtube video multiple times during the interval before the taser going off up to the sound of the first gunshot. Based on this, I believe the officer is telling the truth about being attacked.

I'm not going to comment on whether the arrest attempt was conducted properly, competency in training to subdue someone already lying prone, whether the arrest was justified, whether the use of a taser is necessary or acceptable following repeated attempts to have his arms in position to cuff them, the problem of having someone being arrested forced to lie on the side of a road at night right next to oncoming traffic, the use of deadly force against someone who at first glance does not appear to have a weapon on them, the nature of police brutality as a whole, etc. I'm simply commenting on those few frames that to me are clear enough to draw these conclusions.

I'm very sorry for the loss of life that resulted. This should not have happened.

*I don't know how tasers work, what effects they have on different people, what the likelihood of the taser needles not making proper contact, etc.

We, as a country are to blame for this, not the police force. Social media and websites are full of these types of ' how to handle a traffic stop' garbage. People who say you do not have to talk to the police. That 'by law' you do not have to give your license. I put these people right up there with the open carry jerk offs who carry AR-15s down the street.

YOU ARE ASKING TO BE TREATED DIFFERENT and you want attention.

I am not going to discuss whether it was justified as none of us were there but the country is full of self entitled, narcissists who think they are above the law and should not be held responsible for their actions.

All he needed to do was give him his DL. That's it and it would have been a different story all together.

The cop is a proven 100% liar proven by his very own cam, he clearly refuses to give his badge number and then when the kid is filming he denies it point blank, just like he denied having his high beams on. Once you lie then everything else you say has to be brought into question.

The kid did nothing wrong and as such did not need to provide ID without probable cause he commited a crime. As far as I am aware... The cop had a bruised ego so wanted to teach the kid who was boss. The behaviour of this cop was unacceptable. Yet people will make excuses anyway!

a reply to: pilotx



According to the Da the teen then ends up on top of the officer scuffing for the taser. At that point he starts punching the officer in the face. That's when the police officer said he reached for his gun fearing that he would knock him unconscious. Apparently the da said video indeed coroner are the officers story. And ironically apparently his cell phone helped clear the officer as well.

So people can talk about the evil officer but even the family had to admit their sons actions were inappropriate. All they could say is that they didn't think the officer should have attempted arrest.The most telling part is apparently the DA showed the family a video and as we see no lawsuit. This means an atty told them they would couldn't win even in civil court. Why simple under no circumstances do you try to fight an officer. You go to the police station and press charges there. As I said this anti police garbage being thrown into the media is getting people killed.

a reply to: dragonridr

i still want to know how that cop couldn't handle a 130lb kid and was "in fear for his life" where did this guy go to police academy, girl scout camp??? i said it before and i'll say it again, if that cop can't handle a 130lb kid he shouldn't be on the force. that kid must have been some killer w mma training highest degree brazilian jujitsu belt to be able to overpower and scare a grown man police officer enough to "fear for his life". smh.

a reply to: dragonridr

Lol yeah you go to the police to complain about the police! Like going to a gang to complain about a gang member, believe me this doesn't work, I know because for one it is common sense and for two I tried it... Want to know what the pigs did? They lied and made excuses for their gang member, funny that, who would have thunk it.

The kid had a right to defend himself, if a pig is in the wrong you can defend yourself... Lets take it to an extreme... Say a pig wanted to rape you and proceeded to do so, would you lay there and take it and complain after? Seriously, would you?

Cops are not gods I'm afraid as much as you seem to think so. So I don't care if the kid DID defend himself! He had a right to.

originally posted by: conspiracy nut
a reply to: dragonridr

i still want to know how that cop couldn't handle a 130lb kid and was "in fear for his life" where did this guy go to police academy, girl scout camp??? i said it before and i'll say it again, if that cop can't handle a 130lb kid he shouldn't be on the force. that kid must have been some killer w mma training highest degree brazilian jujitsu belt to be able to overpower and scare a grown man police officer enough to "fear for his life". smh.

I'm so glad you quoted Bruce Lee in your signature because that makes this irony SO sweet...

Bruce Lee's weight was 130-160lbs depending on how he was training.

Oh, that felt so good... I love it when the irony gods smile upon me and offer up a glorious opportunity.

a reply to: jacobe001

i'm telling u the kid must have been a ninth degree dan brazilian jujitsu expert in a drug fueled rage, his eyes probably turned red like teen wolf as soon as the camera goes blurry he turned from pacified teen stoner into teen wolf, flipped the cop over with his super human 130lb teen wolf strength and proceeded to pummel the grown man police academy trained cop within an inch of his life forcing the cop to use deadly force. *rolls eyes* *pukes into bucket* *nose grows like pinnochio* i smell a rat!!!!!!!!!

a reply to: Answer

bruce lee was a fully grown man w decades of martial arts expertise. some people would pull a gun out on my 5 year old if he kicked them in the nuts. "I WAS IN FEAR OF MY LIFE"

a reply to: Answer

Lol Can you show me a real bruce lee fight please? There is nothing to say the guy could fight at all! Want to know why? Because he was an actor and not a fighter, he never proved a thing. Just saying... Put in a ring with an MMA fighter I would bet my bottom dollar he would have been smashed into pieces!

a reply to: Meee32

bruce lee was a bad ass and i'm sure he could hold his own, same w this kid apparently, eye of the tiger!!!!! this kid must have had all the training and strength of a 30 year old man w decades of training to be able to flip over a grown man and pummel him into fear of his life within 15 seconds. either that or the cop was a complete pansy.

originally posted by: Meee32
a reply to: dragonridr

Lol yeah you go to the police to complain about the police! Like going to a gang to complain about a gang member, believe me this doesn't work, I know because for one it is common sense and for two I tried it... Want to know what the pigs did? They lied and made excuses for their gang member, funny that, who would have thunk it.

The kid had a right to defend himself, if a pig is in the wrong you can defend yourself... Lets take it to an extreme... Say a pig wanted to rape you and proceeded to do so, would you lay there and take it and complain after? Seriously, would you?

Cops are not gods I'm afraid as much as you seem to think so. So I don't care if the kid DID defend himself! He had a right to.

No he never has the right to attack an officer it's stupid thinking like your that got this teen killed. And you can use all the extreme situation and what if you lile. This was cut and dry the moment the police officer said he was under arrest he should have put his hands behind his back. And nit say another word until he talked to his atty. Attacking the officer is stupid and a complied nothing other than him being killed because the violence kept escalating.

You seriously need to rethink the way you view life violence just gets violence. Even Martin Luther King knee this you can't fight violence wirh violence it only makes things worse.

originally posted by: Meee32
The cop is a proven 100% liar proven by his very own cam, he clearly refuses to give his badge number and then when the kid is filming he denies it point blank, just like he denied having his high beams on. Once you lie then everything else you say has to be brought into question.

The kid did nothing wrong and as such did not need to provide ID without probable cause he commited a crime. As far as I am aware... The cop had a bruised ego so wanted to teach the kid who was boss. The behaviour of this cop was unacceptable. Yet people will make excuses anyway!

Why do some of you keep lying to support your version of events?

Here's exactly what was said:

Kid: "Show me your badge number."
Officer: "You can not see my badge number."
**Then the kid starts recording...
Kid: "You just told me you that I could not have your badge number. That's against the law, sir"
Officer: "My badge number... No, you asked me to show it to you... I can not show it to you"
Kid: "Yes, you said no..."
Officer: "My badge number... "
Kid: "You told me no... Is that correct?"
Officer: "No it's not..."
Kid: "It is correct, sir..."

So, just like so many people in this thread, the kid twisted the story around and called the cop a liar. The kid asked TO SEE HIS BADGE NUMBER and while the officer was trying to explain that he can't show it to him and give his number, the kid kept talking over him in an attempt to prove his point like a lawyer in a court room.

Details matter and so many of you don't give a damn about the details... you only want to support your preconceived notions.