Torture Has Been Ineffective And Went Beyond Just Waterboarding

Here in America we're led to believe the USA only engages in enhanced interrogation known as waterboarding but a CIA report tells a different story. Turns out, all these years of torture have been absolutely useless and the scary part is it's still going on right now. This is now the image of the USA from a world perspective, most definitely including terrorist who are recruiting new blood, and drone strikes aren't helping that case either. So check out the video below for more details.

Last Week Tonight with John Oliver: Torture

Like the War On Drugs, the War On Terror is a complete, expensive, failure. We need change this election but I have little faith it's coming.

a reply to: Swills

I've said it for a long time now, I don't imagine it's difficult for ISIS to recruit people who hate the U.S., and it's not like those people hate the U.S. for no good reason, the U.S. hasn't really been good for Islam generally.

Hold on, but this was about terrorism & freedom, wasn't it

Deliberately made apathetic masses who have allowed politicians too much free rein with the corporations right along side and they're burning tax payer money along the way also, probably on things they don't even know or care about.

It's a shambles really.

a reply to: Swills

Somehow it´s sad that they bring this important thing to the public but make it a comedical satire.
At least they bring it up, although they destroy most of it by waterbording it with jokes.

a reply to: verschickter

Sad? Not at all. Most people are not aware of this information and will definitely ignore it unless presented otherwise. We live in a very distracting world and this is the best way to bring attention to major issues.

a reply to: Swills

You´re right, to get the audience...
I should have written
"It´s sad that they need to make it a satire to get attention".

a reply to: Zcustosmorum

The people have no say in what politicians do after they are in office. They are legally allowed to lie just to get into office, and have little reason to not do so, since impeachment is a biblical fairytale to them. Politicans have zero control of what happens within the CIA as well, so if you think that comon people could vote for what is appropriate measures, lol, tell that to the CIA and see if they change their ways.

originally posted by: Zcustosmorum

I've said it for a long time now, I don't imagine it's difficult for ISIS to recruit people who hate the U.S., and it's not like those people hate the U.S. for no good reason, the U.S. hasn't really been good for Islam generally.

ISIS doesn't give a crap about the US, they are raping and pillaging Iraq with different motivation than what? get back against America,...geez

originally posted by: Swills
Here in America we're led to believe the USA only engages in enhanced interrogation known as waterboarding ...

Well, duh.

Waterboarding is an 'enhanced interrogation technique' but far from the only one.

One technique they used alongside their "enhanced interrogations" is literally called "rectal hydration". Yeah, it's as disgusting & repulsive as you're thinking. It was used on prisoners to keep them hydrated enough to avoid starvation, since the prisoners were barely given anything to eat or drink. Sometimes, they weren't given food at all & were only given sustenance through "rectal hydration" and forced "rectal feeding".

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originally posted by: enlightenedservant
One technique they used alongside their "enhanced interrogations" is literally called "rectal hydration".

Weirdly enough, we picked that up from the Brits as a field-expedient rehydration technique if you had mass casualties or were in a hurry and couldn't get IV access on the first try or two. You cut the connector off the IV tubing and jam it where the sun doesn't shine, and open the roller.

a reply to: Bedlam

Now imagine forcing that on unsuspecting prisoners.

During the Iraq War, I'd heard rumors from friends overseas. They said their news & activists were showing former prisoners were claiming the US was raping & torturing them. Abu Ghraib proved some of the worse allegations but not the rape part. Then there were rumors the CIA torture photos proved the rape part, but they have never been declassified. Then the forced rectal feeding info came out and I'm wondering if this is what they were talking about.

No matter how you define "rape", forcing a tube up there & pumping all kinds of stuff into a person is absolutely despicable. I think it will be impossible for the US to regain any moral high ground whatsoever as long as we're not willing to prosecute this stuff.

originally posted by: enlightenedservant
a reply to: Bedlam

Now imagine forcing that on unsuspecting prisoners.

Or injured buddies...

During the Iraq War, I'd heard rumors from friends overseas. They said their news & activists were showing former prisoners were claiming the US was raping & torturing them. Abu Ghraib proved some of the worse allegations but not the rape part.

Hey, you stop eating and drinking, you gotta do something to keep the captive alive.

Rape I don't know about. There are, however, some techniques that make waterboarding look passive and friendly.

originally posted by: Bedlam

originally posted by: enlightenedservant
a reply to: Bedlam

Now imagine forcing that on unsuspecting prisoners.

Or injured buddies...

During the Iraq War, I'd heard rumors from friends overseas. They said their news & activists were showing former prisoners were claiming the US was raping & torturing them. Abu Ghraib proved some of the worse allegations but not the rape part.

Hey, you stop eating and drinking, you gotta do something to keep the captive alive.

Rape I don't know about. There are, however, some techniques that make waterboarding look passive and friendly.

Yeah, I've read the released info on the enhanced interrogation techniques. Like stress positions, causing hypothermia (technically, they'd stop a few degrees before causing it), etc. And that is just some info that's been released.

Also, I can't tell if you're agreeing with me or disputing me. I think it's because I keep looking at your avy & I imagine you making that face every time you respond. LOL So I keep thinking "is he mocking me or serious? I can't tell"

a reply to: Swills

You simply cannot stage an ongoing effort of World Domination without bombing and torturing. If you think you can, let me tell you, you have my blessing. If we can stop pretending we're humanitarians, the whole thing makes a lot more sense. Thats the key. The confusion comes when people hear and then think we're the Good Guys.

originally posted by: enlightenedservant
Yeah, I've read the released info on the enhanced interrogation techniques. Like stress positions, causing hypothermia (technically, they'd stop a few degrees before causing it), etc. And that is just some info that's been released.

Depending on exactly how "enhanced" they want to make an interrogation, you'll be longing for sleep deprivation or a bag over your head like it was a fond childhood memory.

It sort of depends on if they're doing it by the numbers or if they've got someone who's good at sussing out what you personally can't handle.

Also, I can't tell if you're agreeing with me or disputing me. I think it's because I keep looking at your avy & I imagine you making that face every time you respond. LOL So I keep thinking "is he mocking me or serious? I can't tell"

I DO make that face a lot. It's one reason I got dubbed Bosun Smee last year. I also look a lot like that pic anyway.

Working someone over for data is one of those things you have to do like nutmeg in a toffee pudding. It's only good for spice. Too much isn't better. It's like the old adage lawyers use - never ask a witness a question you don't already have the answer to. That makes 'rough questioning' good for corroboration or small details you might not have got otherwise.

But if your main source of intel is drilling someone's heel bone with a Black and Decker, you are up the creek.

It's good for corroboration of other data you got, sometimes. It's very 'noisy' in that there's a lot of crap data mixed in with it. And after a day or two, there's not much point in it because the other guys know you have your interrogee and change their plans to compensate.

Now, you want useful info out of a person, you have to use enlightened self-interest, anxiety, greed and interpersonal relationship leverage to turn the guy. It's still noisy data but it's orders of magnitude better than what you get with a soldering iron.

a reply to: Bedlam

I agree. Wish there was more to say but you summed it up pretty well.

a reply to: Bedlam

I agree with you. I had a friend who went through SERE tell me in graphic detail what all went down.

He Said ultimately the guy who got him wasn't the one blasting him in the face for hours on end non stop with the fire hose while he was forced to sit in a cage neck deep in a swamp. Nor the other more nasty stuff. He Said it was the guy doing the soft interrogation that ended up getting him and also making him look like a fool afterwards when watching his interrogation video in the debrief.

originally posted by: BASSPLYR
a reply to: Bedlam

I agree with you. I had a friend who went through SERE tell me in graphic detail what all went down.

I put something about that in there and redacted it to "It sort of depends on if they're doing it by the numbers or if they've got someone who's good at sussing out what you personally can't handle."

Those guys sell their souls to Satan and can magically ferret out the one or two things you really can't stand.

eta: the mud cage is pretty memorable. A real high point.

a reply to: Bedlam

Ooh they gave you the mudcage. What about the 1'x2'x5' box where you think you're in there for 2 hours but it's really only been 15 minutes.

My friend said when it was finally over they played "born in the USA" over the PA to kket them know that yes they really are safe back Iin the USA. Said after a few days you were, almost certain it was for real. It took convincing to get some of the students to believe it was really just a excercise it was that scary. Said the dogs found him right away in the beginning of the evasion part. By said it didn't matter anyways even if you were successful in avoiding the dogs and search parties. You had to turn yourself in for torture and interoggation anyways after a certain am out of time.

originally posted by: BASSPLYR
Said the dogs found him right away in the beginning of the evasion part. By said it didn't matter anyways even if you were successful in avoiding the dogs and search parties. You had to turn yourself in for torture and interoggation anyways after a certain am out of time.

I did pretty well in the survival and evasion part. They get po'd if you are too successful, though. And eventually you have to do the last two phases like it or don't.

It might have helped that I grew up in the woods in north Georgia, the area around Ft Bragg ain't much different.

And I used to hunt with dogs, I knew how to confuse them. The search teams are all SF instructors or CAG though. You will be caught.