ABC's ’08 Prediction: NYC Under Water from Climate Change By June 2015

The raw data doesn't lie - A mash-up of clips from some sensationalist t.v. program doesn't discount the numbers. I don't know of any Climatologist that has claimed NYC will be underwater by 2015 - We are still a bit off from some of the more serious consequences, but if things continue to progress as they have, there will be a serious effect on the ecology of this planet within the next 100-200 years. It's all ready had an effect on weather patterns, on ocean currents, it's had a serious effect on numerous species of plant and animal life. The warming effect we are experiencing is but one symptom of a much more complicated, and seriously deadly problem we are facing.

a reply to: c0gN1t1v3D1ss0nanC3

Without you, she wouldn't have a carbon footprint.

Yeah, well. That's true.
Without your parents, you wouldn't have a carbon footprint either.

originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: c0gN1t1v3D1ss0nanC3

I drive an electric vehicle, just bought an electric mower, have all high efficiency appliances, etc...

That's good. But of course, that electricity is coming from...what?

Well it comes from many different sources Phage. Without electricity we wouldn't be having this conversation right now. If you want to go back to the days of the caveman you really need to stop pretending to be such a huge advocate of science.

All of the science you love that allows you to do whatever it is you do online, and in this forum, was made possible due to fossil fuels.

So really, you should be thanking the people you seem to hate with such a passion.

a reply to: Phage

Right, but you have added an additional footprint into this world.

Do you not care about the environment?

a reply to: c0gN1t1v3D1ss0nanC3

All of the science you love that allows you to do whatever it is you do online, and in this forum, was made possible due to fossil fuels.

Yup. And it's past time to do something else. Good thing that science is finding new ways (like electric cars and efficient PV systems to charge them). Too bad that people making money from the old ways are so resistant to change.

So really, you should be thanking the people you seem to hate with such a passion.

Who have I hated on? Except for the "neener neener" guy.

originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: Vector99

Your grandkids may experience slight coastal line changes, but us humans are pretty good at adapting.

How do you adapt to salt water intrusion of your aquifer? Move? Ok. To where?

In a warmer global temperature, solar desalination is MUCH more viable, we have that tech.

www.marketplace.org...

How do adapt to changes in climate which affect agricultural regions? Move? Ok. To where?

People can move, equipment can move, infrastructure can be rebuilt, hell that will create jobs

You want doom porn? Multiply those Mediterranean boat people by magnitudes because of changing climate instead of politics. Apply it to greater areas than those from which they are leaving. That's more likely where you'll find the doom.

The boat people are just that, people thrown on boats hoping for the best. We could solve that issue here and now with teaching them to fish instead of giving them a fish. Drop those boats off in a habitable area and watch them grow, it could even be a reality show...

a reply to: Vector99

We could solve that issue here and now with teaching them to fish instead of giving them a fish. Drop those boats off in a habitable area and watch them grow, it could even be a reality show...

The trouble is, their governments don't seem to be into that sort of thing.

a reply to: Phage

I agree there, that is a big problem, much bigger than global warming.

a reply to: Phage

Yup. And it's past time to do something else. Good think that science is finding new ways. Too bad that people making money from the old ways are so resistant to change.

Yeah and what has provided, and continues to provide the energy needed by those scientists to advance the green energy field.

I'm sorry, but I don't live in a fairy tale. The reality is that we still need those fossil fuels to create the energy for an overpopulated planet.

a reply to: Vector99
So, let's ignore global warming and its effects.
Good plan.

a reply to: Phage

Who is ignoring it? You keep blaming everybody but yourself, but you have yet to explain what it is you are doing to stop this impending doom.

a reply to: Phage

That's what I said? By simply stating a fact that currently the humanitarian crisis is bigger than the global warming predicament?

EDIT - If I make a promise to help on the global warming issue and spread that word as much as I can, what will YOU do to help on the humanitarian crisis?

I can multi-task and do both, what is your plan to help those in need?

a reply to: c0gN1t1v3D1ss0nanC3
Really? Have I said I am not part of the problem?

But at least I don't blindly attack the science which shows it's occurring.

So it all comes down to the actual science, which when it comes to climate science, is far too corrupted to be saved.

www.abovetopsecret.com...

The reality is that we still need those fossil fuels to create the energy for an overpopulated planet.

I agree. And that dependence is going to make things worse for a whole lot more people as time goes on. Denying that to be the case will not help matters.

The funny thing is when you pick apart a climate fearmonger by getting down the the real science their arguments always fall apart. They will either have to eliminate important information from consideration in the debate or they will resort to personal attacks / ignore.

a reply to: Phage
Your daughter and my grandchildren will be fine.
My grandparents worried a lot about the coming Ice Age back in the '70s, thinking that our farm would be covered in glaciers by now. They worried about this because they saw people on TV with science degrees telling them that an Ice Age was upon us. Yes, really. It was on the news.
Previous to that they worried about the Dust Bowl. They heard about that through the new technology called radio.
Humans are highly adaptive critters. We've lived through Ice Ages, little Ice Ages, the Dust Bowl and the Cold War while the wizards of prophecy had only doom and gloom to predict.
Today's wizard uses a computer rather than a bowl of water to scry out the future and calls it science. While the method---building the computer---involves science, the input is still up to us frail, silly, purpose-driven humans.
Don't worry, be happy.

a reply to: libertytoall

The funny thing is when you pick apart a climate fearmonger by getting down the the real science their arguments always fall apart.

Actually, they don't.
Because the deniers have nothing to support their position but ignorance. Like claims that oil comes from dinosaurs.

a reply to: Phage

I made that statement because while I was growing up they actually taught in textbooks fossil fuels were called fossil fuels because they come from dead animal matter broken down into the earth over eons. Quite a rediculous thought, as are 90 percent of climate fearmongerers beliefs they spew.

a reply to: diggindirt

My grandparents worried a lot about the coming Ice Age back in the '70s, thinking that our farm would be covered in glaciers by now.

Sounds like I'm old enough to be your grandparent.

They worried about this because they saw people on TV with science degrees telling them that an Ice Age was upon us. Yes, really. It was on the news.

No. They saw some sensationalistic articles about what a small minority of scientists said while a majority of climatologists were writing about the warming effects of CO2.

Previous to that they worried about the Dust Bowl.

Uh huh. The dust bowl was very real, it affected the mid-west quite dreadfully.

Don't worry, be happy.

Good plan. Or not.

I'm going to go out on a limb here and predict there is no way the earth can experience a runaway warming. Now you can stop your stressing about doom and gloom and try to enjoy your life.

a reply to: libertytoall

I made that statement because while I was growing up they actually taught in textbooks fossil fuels were called fossil fuels because they come from dead animal matter broken down into the earth over eons.

That's not what I learned. I learned that petroleum is the remnants of vegetable matter. And I learned that quite a long time ago. You see, vegetable matter has quite different characteristics from animal matter. It's not hard to tell the difference.