House Defeats TPP Fast Track

a reply to: beezzer

It is very unconstitutional.

The leak also reveals that all countries involved i
n TPP talks – except Australia – have agreed to
submit to the jurisdiction of such foreign tribunal
s, which would be empowered to order payment of
unlimited government Treasury funds to foreign inve
stors over TPP claims. As revealed in Section B
of the leaked text, these tribunals would not meet
standards of transparency, consistency or due proce
ss
common to TPP countries’ domestic legal systems or
provide fair, independent or balanced venues for
resolving disputes between sovereign nations and pr
ivate investors. For instance, in a manner that
would be unethical for judges, the tribunals would
be staffed by private sector lawyers that rotate
between acting as “judges” and as advocates for the
investors suing the governments.

Sorry for the bad formatting.

from the second link in my previous post.

a reply to: Kali74

Good, I pray Congress keeps defeating it.

Rebel 5

a reply to: Kali74

Good for now. My congressman voted for it and I'm gonna email him to let him know he's lost my support, won't make the mistake of voting for him again.

WONDERFUL news!
There is a tad more hope on my black heart.
Guess it's really dark gray now...

With republicans and democrats voting for and against this bill, the only "side" to be on is freedom's side.

Screw partisan ideologies.

They throw out abortion, homosexual marriage, guns, police brutality, marijuana, race, and global warming. None of that # matters. It's all cover to get the chess pieces in formation. Laws like this truly are what they are seeking. Cheap labor keeps their engines running. The new world order is not about a one world governance, so much as it's about getting as many laborers to contribute to the few who truly hold power.

a reply to: Kali74

... and nobody had to ask any opinions from the almost subjucated Asia-Pacific nations.

I guess its ok to have a navel size of a globe, but staring at it through all the times, is a bit - boring. TPP - and TTIP - are not only threat to US, actually they are far less threat to US than anybody else, but it is an attempt to put every soul in the TTP and TTIP regions under CORPORATE rule.

East-Indian Company in steroids.

So you say, "corporations are taking over" - but they are not taking over US. US is already taken over by corporations. The logical next step for corporations is to take over REST OF THE WORLD. That is why TTP and TTIP exist(ed). To crush any left-overs of sovereign states under the corporate boot, and squeeze it tight on them.

I am not applauding for some mid-west farmer having another go with his Monsanto sponsored life-less cropfield, but I am applauding for sovereign nations still having a say into corporate matters. This vote was to clearly state, corporations are not citizens. Citizens follow the laws, pay taxes - corporates don't.

It was a vote for independency in the grandest of scales.

originally posted by: Metallicus
This is a beautiful victory for the people.

I love this issue because it brings ATS people together. We all despise the TPP. Good to be working with you on this Kali!

This is not a win.

Bills like this get a name change ang go through later. Happened many times.

originally posted by: RubberSky

originally posted by: Metallicus
This is a beautiful victory for the people.

I love this issue because it brings ATS people together. We all despise the TPP. Good to be working with you on this Kali!

This is not a win.

Bills like this get a name change ang go through later. Happened many times.

That, or Obama will sign an executive order. Either way, I think we can agree that sadly this thing will go through one way or another.

a reply to: Gully

My Congresswoman also voted for it and I have sent her an email. Don't expect much back though. Usually an email saying they got mine, and then one, form letter, that says I am not as smart as they are.

originally posted by: neo96

“I will be voting to slow down fast-track,” House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) said on the floor moments before the vote, after keeping her intentions private for months. “Today we have an opportunity to slow down. Whatever the deal is with other countries, we want a better deal for American workers.”

Translation higher wages, and more benefits that make this country non competitive.

Which means MORE foreign goods will be shipped here creating HiGHER trade gaps.

Pretty much like it is now that increases outsourcing.

The 'Democrats' the saviors of the people eh.

They have no CLUE on what competition is.

The first responsibility of politicians in accordance with the Constitution is the best interests of this country and people.
Not to the Globalists or Multinational Corporations that owe no allegiance to any country.

originally posted by: CranialSponge
a reply to: Kali74

Exactly.

Governance will mean nothing anymore.

We the people and the governments that we elect to represent us will have no say in anything anymore.

But I don't try to put that in the same category as China, because even China still has a few drops of sovereignty left in its dictatorial governance. Their government still has control of its country, even if the people don't.

The TPP/TTIP goes way above and beyond what's going on in China.

These agreements will wipe out any type of government ruling (democratic, dictatorship, tyrannical, communist, etc)... it will literally put full carte blanche into the hands of 600+ corporations no matter where they're located on the globe.

And those 600 Corporations only responsibility is for profits for the head honchos and parasites on Wall Street.
Everyone else is irrelevant in their grand scheme which goes against the Constitution where it is a country for all people.

originally posted by: Kali74
Washington Post

President Obama suffered a major defeat to his Pacific Rim free trade initiative Friday as House Democrats helped derail a key presidential priority despite his last-minute, personal plea on Capitol Hill.

The House voted 302 to 126 to sink a measure to grant financial aid to displaced workers, fracturing hopes at the White House that Congress would grant Obama fast-track trade authority to complete an accord with 11 other Pacific Rim nations.

It'll pass...When Clinton couldn't push thru NAFTA, he strong-armed those Democrats who voted against it...They flip-flopped...

YES!

The TPP and it's monstrous sisters are nothing short of an international corporate take over. We're not out of the woods yet, this was only to defeat fast track authority, we must defeat the whole deal and send a clear message that these massive trade deals have no place in today's world. Still huge victory though... I thought we were going to lose

a reply to: Kali74


I have a feeling that the other part of the deal, Transatlantic Trade and Investment Partnership (TTIP), will pass. Both are secretive and are bad deals for the public benefit and only serves the corporations.
The TPP will be stalled for awhile, until Obummer sweetens the deal for the dissenting congress critters.

originally posted by: Iscool


YES!

The TPP and it's monstrous sisters are nothing short of an international corporate take over. We're not out of the woods yet, this was only to defeat fast track authority, we must defeat the whole deal and send a clear message that these massive trade deals have no place in today's world. Still huge victory though... I thought we were going to lose

They'll keep trying to pass it and eventually get it done just like the Banksters did with the Federal Reserve after many attempts.

If it was a real victory, the next step would be to get them out of our government as well.

a reply to: jacobe001

The first responsibility of politicians in accordance with the Constitution is the best interests of this country and people.

Not really.

The first responsibility of politicians is themselves. Always been that way. The more they screw things up. The more they get to 'fix' them.

The interests of the people, and the country don't ever enter in to that.

Not to the Globalists or Multinational Corporations that owe no allegiance to any country.

And politicians do show 'allegiance' ?

LOL.

When it comes down right to it. Politicians,Party come before 'people'.

I really do love how them evil corporations are always made the villains here.

The TPP is a massive power grab not by corporations, but the politicians who created it.

The bigger government grows the MORE money politicians make.

I can only imagine the billions that have been thrown at Republicans, and Democrats.

originally posted by: neo96
a reply to: jacobe001

The first responsibility of politicians in accordance with the Constitution is the best interests of this country and people.

Not really.

The first responsibility of politicians is themselves. Always been that way. The more they screw things up. The more they get to 'fix' them.

The interests of the people, and the country don't ever enter in to that.

Not to the Globalists or Multinational Corporations that owe no allegiance to any country.

And politicians do show 'allegiance' ?

LOL.

When it comes down right to it. Politicians,Party come before 'people'.

I really do love how them evil corporations are always made the villains here.

The TPP is a massive power grab not by corporations, but the politicians who created it.

The bigger government grows the MORE money politicians make.

I can only imagine the billions that have been thrown at Republicans, and Democrats.

The TPP from the very beginning was negotiated by 600 Corporate Representatives, not politicians.
Still, here are a sampling of your "politicians" of today.
It takes a BIG Government to serve Crony Capitalists.


www.opensecrets.org...

REVOLVING DOOR

Here are your politicians

35 out of 40 Goldman Sachs lobbyists in 2013-2014 have previously held government jobs
53 out of 61 Citigroup Inc lobbyists in 2013-2014 have previously held government jobs
58 out of 69 JPMorgan Chase & Co lobbyists in 2013-2014 have previously held government jobs
20 out of 25 Morgan Stanley lobbyists in 2013-2014 have previously held government jobs


85 out of 114 General Electric lobbyists in 2013-2014 have previously held government jobs
36 out of 48 Koch Industries lobbyists in 2013-2014 have previously held government jobs
116 out of 141 Comcast Corp lobbyists in 2013-2014 have previously held government jobs
76 out of 103 Wal-Mart Stores lobbyists in 2013-2014 have previously held government jobs
22 out of 30 Monsanto Co lobbyists in 2013-2014 have previously held government jobs



69 out of 109 Lockheed Martin lobbyists in 2013-2014 have previously held government jobs
40 out of 51 Honeywell International lobbyists in 2013-2014 have previously held government jobs
51 out of 67 Raytheon Co lobbyists in 2013-2014 have previously held government jobs
96 out of 133 General Dynamics lobbyists in 2013-2014 have previously held government jobs
32 out of 49 Northrop Grumman lobbyists in 2013-2014 have previously held government jobs
83 out of 115 Boeing Co lobbyists in 2013-2014 have previously held government jobs

Thomas Massie on why he voted against TPA. We need more like him in congress.

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originally posted by: Gully
Thomas Massie on why he voted against TPA. We need more like him in congress.

youtu.be...

Well he hit the nail on the head with his points.
Second Line

originally posted by: Kali74

The House voted 302 to 126 to sink a measure to grant financial aid to displaced workers, fracturing hopes at the White House that Congress would grant Obama fast-track trade authority to complete an accord with 11 other Pacific Rim nations.

YES!

The TPP and it's monstrous sisters are nothing short of an international corporate take over. We're not out of the woods yet, this was only to defeat fast track authority, we must defeat the whole deal and send a clear message that these massive trade deals have no place in today's world. Still huge victory though... I thought we were going to lose

Thank God the Republicans are fighting Globalists and Multinational Corporations... WAIT WHAT!