Randy Cramer - U.S. Marine Operations On Mars

It's a pretty bad disinformation piece IMO.

It would discredit and shed doubt on anyone claiming we have sent people to Mars.

a reply to: MystikMushroom

But we haven't 'officially' sent anyone to mars so who are you referring to being discredit or shed doubt on?

This collaborates with another several testimonies claiming similar experiences on mars within the last 5 years. It appears it's beginning to come out now.

in terms of how and why he is allowed to give this information freely -

"I have a micro-walky-talky in the back of my skull so not a telepathy implant but an actual micro-walky-talky that has a little tiny speaker and a little tiny receptor so that i can subvocalise into it. So essentially when someone is talking to me on the micro-walky-talky it sounds like someone is talking right behind the back of my head with like a plastic bucket over their head - it has this like closed echo to it.

So the first time that happened it was a very surreal experience and i was thinking "I'm i hearing things? am i hearing voices? what's about to happen here" it was a very surreal experience. So basically i hear this buzz and then a beep, you know like a signal coming in beep and I'm like "wheres that beeping sound coming from?" it sounds like it's coming from the back of my skull, it feels like my skull is vibrating.

And then i hear very clearly

"raise three fingers on your left two fingers on your right"
...what?
"raise three fingers on your left two fingers on your right"
...ok so, three fingers, two
"ok now raise one finger on your left four fingers on the right"
ok one, four...
"now raise four fingers on your left and four fingers on your right"
ok.
"great you can hear us loud and clear now we have confirmed clear transmission"

And there was a"this is Command Central United States Marine Core Special Section contacting captain Randy Alan Cramer" and then i hear the voice of Colonel jack Jameson and he says
"Do you recognise the sound of my voice?"
I'm like yes Sir.
"Am i an officer in your chain of command that is known to you?"
Yes sir.
"Ok great let me put you on command here with brigadier general"

and that's when i started talking with Brigadier-General Julian Smythe and he said
"so you've been good we really appreciate that and you've held your secrecy oaths we appreciate that we know we've given you permission to write a book if you want to write a book, not exact saying it was the truth"
and i hadn't even gotten that far i hadn't even started writing it I've been so busy trying to sort my life out too be honest and even though id been given permission i hadn't really done much time putting into the book. So by the time that they said change the story i really hadn't got much done but they said "we've given you permission to do that, I'm here to ask you if you'd 'like' (it was a request it was not an order) would you like to go public?" and i was just so shocked and taken aback that i had even been asked this question and i was like

wait..you mean, tell..the..truuuth? not like part of it? i mean like, tell the truth? the whole truth?
and he said "absolutely, correct."
and i was flabbergasted, i was like what has brought that on? why the change? you're kind of messing with my head here for the last minute, why are you asking me to do this?

And we essentially had a lengthy conversation and i won't go into details because it was a 'lengthy' conversation. Where he informed me of a lot of what was going on essentially said look "we are at a situation now where we don't feel like we can any longer make the progress we want to make the progress doing what we're doing so we're going to have to do something different. So that means we need an officer who is willing to come out and speak publicly. We need it to be an officer because we needed someone who has the legal authority do to that based off the united states marine core special second special code. We need someone who has an 03 or above authority to do that, we need an officer to do that. And we need someone to that who can act as a direct source of information and essentially a direct representative of united states marine core special section”

And i was informed that when they got around to asking me that there had been a list of officers that they were going down the list of which i was on that list. I don’t know who else was on that list. All i can tell you is that it was not a long list, it was a fairly short list, not more then 10 or 20 names on that list. And that over a six, eight, nine month period of time that list got whittled down smaller and smaller until they asked me. So i cant really say what did i do or what was so special about me other then i was on the list. They went through some process to screen down that list got to me. Maybe they got down to three people and the other two they asked for and they were like screw it! I’m not going to go public! get some other guy to do it. And i was the one that said yes.

I don't believe Randy Cramer. He offers no proof and his story is outlandish. Those that proposes(The Hanger1 UFO Files show) that Gary McKinnon supports his story is not related because McKinnon again offers no proof behind his allegations.

no details at all.....outta here....then
bye bye.....shouda had cool stories huh!!

a reply to: andre18

I'm saying that if we *have* put people on Mars via a secret program, this guy's story is so over the top that it'll help discredit anyone that does come forward with any real information on the secret missions to Mars.

It's a great way to have anyone with a real story become discredited pretty fast. You put 10% truth and 90% BS into the mix, and then no one will believe anyone, because the waters have become so muddy.

Classic disinformation ...

a reply to: MystikMushroom


why is " disinfo " more popular an explaination that :

lying little attention whore ?

originally posted by: ignorant_ape
a reply to: MystikMushroom


why is " disinfo " more popular an explaination that :

lying little attention whore ?

Because some people are desperate (for some reason) to believe in aliens, cover ups and silly conspiracies

a reply to: MystikMushroom

That's an interesting take on it Mystik. I can't say that I agree, but I also hadn't considered it at all till you mentioned it.

Like that one website, that I haven't had enough coffee to remember the name of right now, that the owner has admitted most of what he posts is an outright lie and the rest is only half truths.

Sort of anyway. I can see the angle you're putting out there.

Thanks for the alternative look

a reply to: Shamrock6

And in 300 years after NASA or some one else has the first "official" man on Mars, no one will care that a secret military mission to Mars was lied about covered up. They just have to keep the secret and discredit anyone else until then.

a reply to: MystikMushroom

You make a good point, however, you and i don't know if these claims would muddle and mislead, as to say, that it may be very well be the reverse where the other info about mars secret programs were in themselves misleading and this is one of the only real accounts yet to be made. You're simply choosing one narrative over another because you're more familiar with it.

Outlandish as it may very well sound, so too did stories of greys, nordics and the like when first introduced into the spectrum. I would simply cation you to choose one side over another because of comfortability from familiarity.

originally posted by: MystikMushroom
a reply to: andre18

I'm saying that if we *have* put people on Mars via a secret program, this guy's story is so over the top that it'll help discredit anyone that does come forward with any real information on the secret missions to Mars.

It's a great way to have anyone with a real story become discredited pretty fast. You put 10% truth and 90% BS into the mix, and then no one will believe anyone, because the waters have become so muddy.

Classic disinformation ...

What if the new information that comes out is over the top as well and corroborates Cramer's story? Until the new information becomes available, we can't say it's disinformation or that the original info from Cramer has the 10% to 90% ratio you speak of. I think it's imperative that we leave that option open, at least for the time being.

As with SciFi movies, once you introduce the idea of time travel the whole structure of the story collapses if you analyze it rationally.

It just occurred to me---if the military is taking soldiers to Mars for twenty years and then re-inserting them in their original time line at the point where they left, that should mean there are ex-soldiers in the "awakening community" with memories of what's occurred up to twenty years in the future. They should be able to verify their stories by accurately predicting the future they lived through. However, conveniently none of these guys seem to "awaken" and come forward until their twenty years is up.

originally posted by: DelMarvel
As with SciFi movies, once you introduce the idea of time travel the whole structure of the story collapses if you analyze it rationally.

It just occurred to me---if the military is taking soldiers to Mars for twenty years and then re-inserting them in their original time line at the point where they left, that should mean there are ex-soldiers in the "awakening community" with memories of what's occurred up to twenty years in the future. They should be able to verify their stories by accurately predicting the future they lived through. However, conveniently none of these guys seem to "awaken" and come forward until their twenty years is up.

Not really, you just have to have an open mind to be able to accept the kinds of concepts not quite understood by contemporary science. We haven't discovered everything there is to know about our reality so why not give things like this a chance? I posted a video of Basiago giving some leadway into how these types of things were done.

One thing you have to realize with these concepts is that what is generally understood to happen logically doesn't always pan out. Just like with the Philadelphia and Montauk experiments in time travel and teleportation there were metaphysical rules and regulations that didn't comply to what was commonly thought. There were guys aging faster than normal, guys merging and getting stuck into solid constructs and a host of other abnormalities. Just something to think about here.

originally posted by: TrueMessiah
Not really, you just have to have an open mind to be able to accept the kinds of concepts not quite understood by contemporary science.

Which in practice means you can make up anything you want (consciously or unconsciously) and anyone who questions the logic or validity of what you're saying just doesn't have an "open mind" to "concepts not quite understood by contemporary science."

Their individual stories don't even have to match up because they can just fall back to the explanation that there are multiple time-lines or that there are layers of false memory inserted by the military and/or evil aliens and/or demons.

originally posted by: DelMarvel

originally posted by: TrueMessiah
Not really, you just have to have an open mind to be able to accept the kinds of concepts not quite understood by contemporary science.

Which in practice means you can make up anything you want (consciously or unconsciously) and anyone who questions the logic or validity of what you're saying just doesn't have an "open mind" to "concepts not quite understood by contemporary science."

Their individual stories don't even have to match up because they can just fall back to the explanation that there are multiple time-lines or that there are layers of false memory inserted by the military and/or evil aliens and/or demons.

I think that it would be an error to assume concepts like this are only made up. Just because it's so far out there doesn't mean it can't be possible. If I would have told the ancient Romans one day that we would have craft capable of flight and vehicles capable of an excess of 200mph, they probably would say I made that up too, perhaps I may have even been prosecuted and thrown in a dungeon but guess what happened 2,000 years later? It's completely fine to question these things and be skeptical but to toss it out and completely disregard it is a vital mistake.

The false memory insertion stories aren't concocted only to serve as fallback for when claims may not add up. There are other extravagant claims of teleportation, time travel, memory implantation, alternate timelines, parallel worlds, etc., floating around that don't serve as merely excuses to coverup stories. Could it be that some sources just want to get these obscure topics out in the open to enlighten us? According to those who are in the know about these things, the mechanisms of operation and the tools used to execute those mechanisms have always existed. It's just that the info has been suppressed for control purposes, pretty much like everything else throughout our history. If you factor that in, it's not so hard to figure out why these concepts seem so alien to some of us and with that being said, it doesn't mean that such things are absolutely nonexistent.

a reply to: TrueMessiah

And blindly accepting somebody who's stories have any number of holes and inconsistencies is also an error.

I was more interested in the information, because it vetted him. Also, inconsistencies???? when you're involved in black operations with mind wipes many times on many assignments. Go figure! Glad that someone is pushing him out there to tell the story, despite the period of wake up and realization of abductions and milab program he was on, shows there is a team that is determined to undo the power structure of this tiny group of twisted evil elites, the very same ones who pulled off Fukushima, who are causing and exploiting the droughts in California, the very same who created Isil, who are destroying freedoms the world over.

Time to stand up and see what the hell is going on!

Every read the term Whiterabbit? Just a clue.

a reply to: Unity_99

The inconsistencies in his terminology have been pointed out.

The holes in his story have been pointed out.

You can chalk it up to mind melds and Jedi mind tricks and whatever else you want to, but it doesn't change what they are.

Of course, when one uses the argument "well it's black ops super top secret delta classified information, that's why" then none of it really matters, does it? He can say whatever he likes and there's no way to refute it.

originally posted by: Shamrock6
a reply to: TrueMessiah

And blindly accepting somebody who's stories have any number of holes and inconsistencies is also an error.

To be honest, cases like this that involve memory implantation and time travel don't make for good discussion because you're only going to have 2 perspectives. Either you:

A. Realize there is real truth in this but the unveiling of these concepts opens a whole can of worms where just about anything could be possible.

or

B. You just aren't buying any of it at all because it's just too unbelievable.

To add, I just want to say that to a person who has read about these things and researched, it really makes claims like Cramer's that much more believable. However, I'm not expecting anyone who hasn't read up on it to automatically fall in line with these concepts.

originally posted by: TrueMessiah

originally posted by: DelMarvel

originally posted by: TrueMessiah
Not really, you just have to have an open mind to be able to accept the kinds of concepts not quite understood by contemporary science.

Which in practice means you can make up anything you want (consciously or unconsciously) and anyone who questions the logic or validity of what you're saying just doesn't have an "open mind" to "concepts not quite understood by contemporary science."

Their individual stories don't even have to match up because they can just fall back to the explanation that there are multiple time-lines or that there are layers of false memory inserted by the military and/or evil aliens and/or demons.

According to those who are in the know about these things, the mechanisms of operation and the tools used to execute those mechanisms have always existed.

Who are those "in the know about these things?" I'm willing to check out any credible sources.

originally posted by: TrueMessiah
I think that it would be an error to assume concepts like this are only made up.

In this case I don't think I'm assuming. I've looked into this and it seems almost certain that Cramer is the victim of false memory syndrome as a result of irresponsible hypnotherapy and suggestion from other believers. I won't go into it here as I created this thread about it:

www.abovetopsecret.com...