NYPD Can't Hire African Americans Because "So Many Of Them Have Spent Time In Jail,"

a reply to: trollz

It's like that all over the country. And stats back it up. Don't worry, a very large percent of us know this and don't think you are racist. We just don't trouble ourselves on these sort of ats threads.

a reply to: arjunanda

And te next question is: Were they in the first place white or black cops that originally jailed those African American people?

a reply to: trollz

Because they are disproportionately convicted of said crimes, or receive stiffer penalties for the same crimes.

Which is not because the judge is racist in the conviction, but most likely because of the legal defense they could afford.

a reply to: rossacus

Black youth choose to still wear/act out these indicators ( bandanas, bopping).

I can wear and act how i want as long as i'm not breaking any laws, like showing genital in public places.

Whether it be a rebellious statement or not. Can't blame being shot if you have a target drawn on you I say. If you dress or act in non aggressive manner, the chances are you won't be isolated as a criminal before a crime is committed

Targeting a group of people because they dress and act differently from others. That's what happening.

originally posted by: Sremmos80
a reply to: trollz

Because they are disproportionately convicted of said crimes, or receive stiffer penalties for the same crimes.

Which is not because the judge is racist in the conviction, but most likely because of the legal defense they could afford.

Are drunk drivers disproportionately convicted of DWI compared to those who don't drink and drive?

originally posted by: cenpuppie

Targeting a group of people because they dress and act differently from others. That's what happening.

Yes, in both directions.

a reply to: arjunanda

My contribution won't be well received, but.....
1) The US needs to stop "white" policing of Blacks, everywhere; then
2) If the appropriate number of "Blacks" can't be recruited to police Black Communities, then they should start recruiting from overseas; then
3) If this doesn't begin to happen and soon and we have more instances like Ferguson and the recent one in Dallas, and if the response after those incidents is for the police to scale back operations and stop enforcing the law in the Black Communities in the Urban Areas, then I'd strongly recommend that the leadership of the Black Community insist UN assume oversight of policing in those areas. Many African Nations supply Policing, Peace Keeping and Security in chaotic countries in Africa. There's no reason those people couldn't do that same job in the US.

I make that suggestion because its becoming increasingly clear to the "Civilized" world that Americans can't resolve the race relations problem in the US and that as the bumbling, bungling and bloodshed continues, the problem is only going to get worse. After seeing the scene from McKinney and the shootings of unarmed Black men, its obvious that a statistically significant percentage of the white police officers see Blacks as nothing more than animals. It may now rise to a civil rights violation for white cops to have anything whatsoever to do with policing Blacks and/or Black communities and it seems increasingly reasonable that Blacks would insist on "Policing" of their communities by and only by their "own", Black Police officers. If US City Mayors/Police Chiefs can't find enough qualified Black Police candidates, then they should be encouraged to look overseas and bring in appropriate candidates on H1B visas, just like the Silicone Valley firms do.

Just my opinion, but I can assure readers that I am absolutely fed up with this situation and am increasingly embarrassed by coverage of the problem I'm now seeing on the BBC, Aljazeera and other foreign media providers.

a reply to: TonyS


While we are at it we should only allow Hispanics to police Hispanics and Muslims to police Muslims. Then perhaps in thirty years we can divide this country up into city states. I like it.

a reply to: Xcathdra

That is what I was saying at all and I am pretty sure you know it.

It was about people committing crimes and who gets charged with what.

Like with MJ
www.nytimes.com...

a reply to: TonyS

Placing color appropriate officers in color appropriate places is de-facto segregation and wont solve the problem.
trying to recruit individuals from over seas wont happen because a person must be a US citizen and resident of the state they perform law enforcement in.

The "color" breakdown on officer use of force where deadly force is involved shows about 49% white, 35% black and 19% Hispanic with the rest a mix.

The resolution is communication between the community and the police. The community must take an active interest in what goes on in their neighborhoods and cities. The us verse them mentality is killing us. Al Sharpton and his race baiting followers keeps the race issue flames fanned even when race is not a factor.

Politicians playing to the cameras before an investigation can even begin is a problem.
Prosecuting attorneys playing to the cameras after issuing charges based on politics is a problem.

Communication - both ways - cops to citizens and citizens to cops.

We need more of this -

Shoot or don't shoot: Police scenarios prove eye-opening for civil rights leaders

It was a split-second decision.

A distressed man with a baby in tow was pacing back and forth in a manic state and shouting incoherently. The responding police officer calmly addressed the man in an attempt to calm him down and defuse the situation, but the man suddenly pulled an object from his side and lunged toward the officer. Instinctively, the officer raised his Taser and squeezed the trigger. It turned out the man was armed with a knife, but the "officer," who was actually the firebrand African-American activist known as Quanell X, acknowledged he would have fired whether the assailant had a knife, a spoon or an empty hand.

“I didn’t even see it,” said the leader of the Houston area Black Panther Party, who was taking part in a training scenario in an attempt to understand what police officers go through during high-pressure situations. “It could have been anything in his hand, and I still would have used force to stop him.

“It all happened so fast," he added. "You don’t know what they could have in their hand.”

Click link to read remainder of article.

People don't adequately comprehend how law enforcement works and don't comprehend how quickly a situation can go to crap.

a reply to: Sremmos80

I made that statement to show a fundamental issue with your train of thought.

the Police DO NOT charge anyone - the prosecuting attorney does.
The Police do not determine guilt - the courts do.

A person who is charged with drug crimes is charged for a reason - they were caught with illegal drugs. As has been stated misdemeanor convictions / drug use does not automatically disqualify a candidate to become a police officer.

Everything is a choice and a person is responsible AND accountable for their own actions. The fault lies with the individual and not society.

a reply to: Xcathdra

Where did I say that police are the ones that charge them?

I never said anything close to the sort.

originally posted by: arjunanda
are African Americans just more likely to do "Crime"? I personally don't think so


I grew up in and spent most of my life in a county where not even 2% of the population was black... Yet when I got a job in the county jail, I discovered that more than half the inmates were black. If they commit crimes at the same rate as any other race, then why, in a county where they are less than 2%, do they suddenly become the majority in jail?
For anyone who may be tempted to pull the "racist" thing, I haven't said anything racist. I simply stated a fact, as it was. The discussion is open for anyone to explain to me why this is, if they don't in fact commit crimes far more often.

Hi Trollz, It's called Selective Enforcement, look it up it happens al the time in All Societies of the World. One group criminalizing another, it's not that hard to figure out, Peace Arjunanda
a reply to: trollz

originally posted by: Sremmos80
a reply to: Xcathdra

Where did I say that police are the ones that charge them?

I never said anything close to the sort.

You would be correct and you have my apologies.

sorry about that.

At least they are familiar with police departments, that is one step forward to an application.

a reply to: Quetzalcoatl14

Why are they in Poverty?

Because they dont finish school. No school, no education and therefore no Job.

Why don't they finish school?

Because Its much more fun being a banger, running around being a baby daddy and being a delinquent..
School and disciplíne are stressful.

Those who wish to better themselves WILL. Milliones have proved that.

The weak ones will swallow all that "real G 4 life" BS that their equally stupid friends feed them.

The smart ones will get out of the rat trap as soon as they can.

I believe the black community DOES commit crime at a higher rate than whites.

However, the reason for this is complicated. A lot of it has to do with the culture that pervades the slums of urban america. Deep seated mistrust of police, romanticizing the "thug" lifestyle, among other factors. Poverty stricken areas tend to have higher crime rates, and it so happens that many in the black community live in poverty areas.

Solve the problem of poverty in the inner city, and you'll see crime rates for minorities drop.

a reply to: ScientificRailgun

I think people should also take into account the areas where this is occurring. I say this because I have seen larger departments get accused of racial profiling because white officers stopped and arrested large numbers of black drivers. It was finally noticed that the patrol areas in question are predominately black areas.

Not everything is a conspiracy (as many people like to claim (not you)) and why we see more news focus on black crime needs to be looked at as well. They have no issues talking about to but they completely ignore the facts surrounding it.

This is really the stupidest thing I've ever seen.

Every single metropolitan area, if it's larger that is, when they post job hirings for the police department ...They are inundated with candidates.

It's easy for them to be picky. That's why it upsets me when they hire so many bad cops. New York has way over 8 million residents. That's just the City proper, and not counting all the surrounding areas.

You mean to tell me that every single eligible minority candidate has been arrested? LOL

Impossible!

a reply to: andy1972

I am most likely going to get in trouble for stating this -

We have developed a "society owes us" mentality in these areas. Its like the Boston mess with Mr. Gray. Leadership stated if the government provided more jobs etc we would not see these things occurring. We see people demanding 15 dollars an hour for working in fast food industries.

We have completely taken personal accountability and responsibility and self improvement out of the equation.

I wanted to work in law enforcement. I had to spend a few years getting my things in order to meet the criteria to get the job. We all have the choice of doing something. Those choices are our own responsibility and we are the only ones to blame for our own decisions.

Trying to crucify the justice system while ignoring personal actions of the Individuals present is a problem.