Military Exercises with a Helo shooting Blanks on Flint Michigan in a Populated Area

a reply to: ElectricUniverse

Yeah if you believe the videos. But who believes that video?

originally posted by: Bedlam

originally posted by: AutumnWitch657
a reply to: JIMC5499

Ok than

Why do they call it a killer egg? Egg beater I could see but killer egg has got me stumped.

It's sort of egg shaped. And most of them has guns on, some more than others.

There is a flying radio killer egg, too, the Echo Hauler, which carries SIGINT types rapidly over the countryside. Sadly, there weren't but about four of them so your chance of playing with it was quite low, but non-zero.

Thanks so much. I really appreciate you taking the time to get me up to speed and answer my questions.

a reply to: ElectricUniverse

Some of the things that you have shown in your posts is alot of stuff I've already viewed in the past....Ex-US Military are even coming out saying that there is something going down aswell.
When any Government puts it's own Military in it's own backyard then you know you are in big trouble.
Common sense normally says that the Government intend to do something that the populace won't be in full agreement with and the Military are then used against the populace to quell any resistance or revolt.
I also believe that is why the Government are going so hard after your guns....I'm pretty sure that any form of patriot over there will be on a Government watch list(probably listed as Terrorist aswell....ironic eh?)
It's just how any dictatorships come about isn't it?
They strip away at your freedoms under the guise of protecting you from big bad terrorists when infact the big bad wolf is already on your doorstep and it's the very people that say they want to protect you.

a reply to: ElectricUniverse

So I'm wrong because you say so?

Lol I'll take my combat pumps over your peacetime garrison military any day man.

Least the training is better

originally posted by: Shamrock6
a reply to: ElectricUniverse

So I'm wrong because you say so?

Lol I'll take my combat pumps over your peacetime garrison military any day man.

Least the training is better

Heh!

I've seen one of these things where they try to use 'military', in this case NG, to 'provide a show of force'. They did it in Indianapolis many years ago, IIRC. Some brainiac in IPD had got together with the governor and decided if they put up some roadblocks with NG toting M4s and looking all butch and menacing, they could intimidate the populace into handing over any firearms they had in the vehicle, legal or no.

They pulled it off there, but then tried to export it as a new shiny stock police tactic, and the next place they tried to pull it off was Jackson, MS.

They didn't get through the first training session and the local LEOs were faxing the materials to every TV station in reach. And that was the end of that. You got to give it to them, they weren't about to try that, while IPD was all gung ho for it due to unions, who thought it was a ducky idea. JPD isn't a hotbed of perfect, but they did just fine in that case.

a reply to: Bedlam

By and large, people will get away with however much they think they can. I'm glad to hear that ridiculous monumentally stupid idea got rolled up pdq.

I just find it humorous to be told I'm categorically wrong when...like...I'm not. But whatever. Seems the OP has a made up mind and nothing is gonna sway that. Which is fine. My morning coffee is just as good as any other day.

a reply to: defcon25

Sorry but it's not common sense it's a total lack of common sense to think that because they are training outside of the bases it means they're up to no good. But it fits that conspiracy theory niche just right doesn't it?
Ex military friends across the street aren't saying this. Enlisted fellow around the corner isn't saying it.
Last week we went to the VFW post and even when stupid drunk none of the veterans were saying it. And we talked about this.

a reply to: AutumnWitch657
Do you know why citizens are normally notified of military exercises in their area? It's not just a courtesy. Gunfire and explosions can cause people to panic. Panicked masses can lead to people being hurt or worse.

It's irresponsible not to announce such an exercise months in advance, over various outlets. As plugged-in as we all are today, there is no excuse for leaving so many people in the dark. Hell, the feds can send everyone in the country a text message anytime they want, and we all know how prolific Obamaphones have become.

Which brings me to my original supposition - maybe there is more going on here than training. Flint Police Dept tweeted a warning around midnight when all this started a couple nights ago. Surely if it was a training exercise, they would have known before then. Why wait until so late? Dos anyone consider a tweet to be adequate notice?

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This is a FYI. The military needs to train in an unfamiliar environment from time to time. The reasoning behind this is the helicopter crew train on the base so often they become too aware of the terrain and training sites. They need to practice on new sites and situations. To my memory, the military has no buildings of 20 stories or more to train on.

It is very difficult flying helicopters in an urban environment and pilots needs first hand experience to be successful.

If I heard my military training, I would feel more secure not fear. If you were the target, by chance, you would hear the helicopter for only about 20 seconds before they had you!

a reply to: buddah6
The only thing a real city offers that a training ground or model could not is unwitting civilians on the ground.

Our helo pilots have trained for decades without disturbing the peace in populated areas. Why now?

a reply to: OpenMindedRealist

Are you a helicopter pilot? Flying in and around buildings is difficult at best especially while in a hover. Where have you trained with 20 story buildings.

a reply to: buddah6
Not a pilot, but I don't have to be one to know that the US military pioneered and perfected helicopter training without disruptions like what is going on in Flint.

What's the difference between a 20 story building and a 20 story building-like structure? Both serve as obstacles for a pilot. Only one is filled with frightened, innocent civilians.

Look, I'm not anti-military. I want them to train. This doesn't look like training to me. If it is simply a training exercise, it was ill-conceived.

a reply to: OpenMindedRealist

What are you going on and on about. The military notified the city it's been proven. Flint was then responsible for notifying their citizens which they did. No one was required to go dooor to door which it seems is what you require as notification. This whole conversation is pointless if you refuse to acknowledge that notification was made.

I heard the black-hawk making passes close to my house but i didn't hear the shots.. I live on the outskirts and that was filmed downtown Flint.. interestingly I didn't know this was going on..

a reply to: AutumnWitch657

originally posted by: OpenMindedRealist
This would also explain why they didn't make more of an effort to inform the public beforehand.

Right there in my first post. That one was only two short paragraphs. If you consider that 'going on and on' then I have to ask why you are here.

Re-read my posts if you have any actual interest in comprehending. Otherwise...

originally posted by: AutumnWitch657
This whole conversation is pointless...

a reply to: OpenMindedRealist

I think the point that Witch is making is that you keep banging the drum that it's the military's responsibility.

It's not.

The city of Flint used multiple avenues to inform the citizens. They have since issued an apology for not doing a better job of informing them.

So, in a nutshell, it's been shown that the city used various means to communicate. The city now realizes they didn't do a good enoug job. Yet somehow it's the military's fault?

originally posted by: OpenMindedRealist
a reply to: buddah6
Not a pilot, but I don't have to be one to know that the US military pioneered and perfected helicopter training without disruptions like what is going on in Flint.

What's the difference between a 20 story building and a 20 story building-like structure? Both serve as obstacles for a pilot. Only one is filled with frightened, innocent civilians.

Look, I'm not anti-military. I want them to train. This doesn't look like training to me. If it is simply a training exercise, it was ill-conceived.

Do you recall the beginning of the war in Afghanistan when our helicopters were having difficulty flying in the mountains. This was due to the pilots not having experience flying in that high altitude environment. The army took immediate actions to correct this shortcoming. This is the same thing!

Flying in an urban environment is difficult on several levels. Hovering around buildings tops the helicopter experiences hover in and out of ground effect (HIGE & HOGE) and changing winds caused by surrounding buildings. They also experience changing weight and power requirements when folks are fast roping to a rooftop or recovering troops way up on the twentieth floor.

There is an old adage in army operations; Fight like you train and train like you fight. I think that the real environment has no substitute.

The public may not have been notified because there was concern about the crowds of gawkers that might gather. They may have been testing the notification process (911) as well.

a reply to: AutumnWitch657

You have misunderstood.
I mean when all of the Military are pulled from overseas to come back home to control the country.

a reply to: defcon25

No I didn't misunderstand. You said that even ex mil were,saying something is going down.
I said not any that I know.
I live in hampton roads Va. The most highly concentrated military presence of any state . Nobody is talking about jade helm let alone martial law. I guess they are very nonchalant about martial law or they recognize this is just training which goes on all the time.

You don't get to be the best of the best sitting with your feet up.

a reply to: AutumnWitch657

Hi,I'm just going by videos that I've watched over the past couple of years on alt media sites and YT where ex-vets/army etc. are warning that the Military is gearing up for something big....also alot of them going on about how the police are being militarized etc.etc.

just some quick examples I could dig up:

Retired Marine Issues Dire Warning About US 'Building A Domestic Army'!:
www.youtube.com...

Military Vet Warns of Coming Red Dawn in America
www.youtube.com...

Cop Admits Veterans Are Reason For Police Militarization
www.youtube.com...

Former Marine Warns of “Terrifying” Militarized Occupation of American Cities
www.infowars.com...

Former Army Ranger: We Are Not Far From Martial Law (2015/2016)
www.truthandaction.org...


Just to add:
The way I look at it is that the Government is getting afraid of it's own citizens and is intending to do something that the Average American isn't going to be very happy about.
Why Militarize the police force?