The day Mohammed died .

originally posted by: RustyNailer
The title should read: The day the Devil died...there is nothing peaceful and praiseworthy about this man, evidence by his followers today.

The same could be said about the followers of Jesus and Moses as well.

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originally posted by: Greathouse
It's not really the date it's for the idea. I'm just interested in how he died from a believers standpoint .

The important point is not how he died, the important point is that some of them, some of disciples, did not let Muhammad to write down his testament !

www.al-islam.org...

originally posted by: Greathouse
First off everybody put their fangs back in and lay down your freshly ground axes.

LOL! Can I have your permission to use your line above?

originally posted by: occuluinunc

originally posted by: Greathouse
First off everybody put their fangs back in and lay down your freshly ground axes.

LOL! Can I have your permission to use your line above?

Be my guest .

originally posted by: buster2010

originally posted by: RustyNailer
The title should read: The day the Devil died...there is nothing peaceful and praiseworthy about this man, evidence by his followers today.

The same could be said about the followers of Jesus and Moses as well.

Very True.

All three of Abraham's religions have been evil. Abraham is the root.

It's 2015, Let's move on from outdated religions.

a reply to: Greathouse

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So what are you getting at? If you really want to know about his life, there are a lot of articles & resources online. There are books on Amazon.com, pdfs and much more. So what is the real purpose of this?

originally posted by: Greathouse

originally posted by: butcherguy
Wikipedia says that he suffered for several days with 'fever, head pain and weakness'.
When I did a Google search, there didn't seem to be any hits on Islamic sites.
Are Muslims not allowed to speak of his death, or what? I don't know, just curious.

I'm beginning to wonder that myself. Honestly I was looking forward to a reply from Charlie and he hasn't shown yet .


@ CretomOrbis

Thanks for the info !

@ The dude whining about the date .

It's not really the date it's for the idea. I'm just interested in how he died from a believers standpoint .

Muslims can talk about it, but we tend to focus more on his life & the teachings of Islam. It would be like asking someone to give the gruesome details of how one of their loved ones died, instead of asking about the great memories you shared with them.

Also, there are too many different accounts of it & even I'm not sure what really happened. Don't really care either. I prefer to focus on my connection with God & how I can improve my standing with God.

Please Note that sites like AnsweringIslam.org Have been proven to be propganda sites twisting Islamic text to paint an awful picture of Islam. They also use Weak narations of Hadith to furthur points . The author of the site has been refuted on many differint Occations . They seem to be hell bent on controting and twisting the image of Islam for what ever reason .

a reply to: Kapusta

It is a terrible site. Agreed.
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On nother note, I think that it is interesting that Muhammed who is buried in Al-Masjid an-Nabawi, Medina, Saudi Arabia needed a rise to heaven narrative to validate him as a prophet as it didn't happen when he died.

Just as jesus was risen into heaven, this claim to being a prophet of god story needed a similar sanctification.

The jesus story has some of the same older jewish prophetic narratives interjected but in his case validated him as the messiah.

Muhammed needed the same validation as a prophet of god so this was interjected

Muhammad was on this occasion mounted on the winged steed called Al Burak "the Lightning" and, with the angel Gabriel for escort,... he tied up Al Burak to a ring, to which the prophets of old had also tied their steeds...... Muhammad and Gabriel went up to the Sacred Rock, which of old times had stood in the centre of Solomon's Temple; and in its neighbourhood meeting the company of the prophets, Muhammad proceeded to perform his prayer-prostrations in the assembly of his predecessors in the prophetic office Abraham, Moses, Jesus, and others of God's ancient apostles.....From the Sacred Rock Muhammad, accompanied by Gabriel, next ascended, by a ladder of light, up into heaven; and, in anticipation, was vouchsafed the sight of the delights of Paradise. Passing through the seven heavens, Muhammad ultimately stood in the presence of Allah, from whom he received injunctions as to the prayers his followers were to perform

www.templemount.org...

All this stuff is validation. Anyway back to how did he die. 632, and on that day the factions began fighting violently and well haven't stopped.

I wish in my lifetime all this tribal nonsense (all religions) is abandoned and people look to the stars and science.
Maybe my next life....lol

It would be much more interesting to know what happened to Muhammad after death...

Would you like to know more?

originally posted by: zazzafrazz
a reply to: Kapusta

It is a terrible site. Agreed.
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On nother note, I think that it is interesting that Muhammed who is buried in Al-Masjid an-Nabawi, Medina, Saudi Arabia needed a rise to heaven narrative to validate him as a prophet as it didn't happen when he died.

Just as jesus was risen into heaven, this claim to being a prophet of god story needed a similar sanctification.

The jesus story has some of the same older jewish prophetic narratives interjected but in his case validated him as the messiah.

Muhammed needed the same validation as a prophet of god so this was interjected

Muhammad was on this occasion mounted on the winged steed called Al Burak "the Lightning" and, with the angel Gabriel for escort,... he tied up Al Burak to a ring, to which the prophets of old had also tied their steeds...... Muhammad and Gabriel went up to the Sacred Rock, which of old times had stood in the centre of Solomon's Temple; and in its neighbourhood meeting the company of the prophets, Muhammad proceeded to perform his prayer-prostrations in the assembly of his predecessors in the prophetic office Abraham, Moses, Jesus, and others of God's ancient apostles.....From the Sacred Rock Muhammad, accompanied by Gabriel, next ascended, by a ladder of light, up into heaven; and, in anticipation, was vouchsafed the sight of the delights of Paradise. Passing through the seven heavens, Muhammad ultimately stood in the presence of Allah, from whom he received injunctions as to the prayers his followers were to perform

www.templemount.org...

All this stuff is validation. Anyway back to how did he die. 632, and on that day the factions began fighting violently and well haven't stopped.

I wish in my lifetime all this tribal nonsense (all religions) is abandoned and people look to the stars and science.
Maybe my next life....lol

No offense, but what makes you think he needed a "rise to heaven narrative to validate him as a prophet"? I accept him as a Prophet & don't care one bit about that narrative. I accept him because of the Qur'an & God choosing him to be His Messenger.

That's like saying Noah, Lot, and Solomon aren't considered prophets because they didn't have that narrative. Prophethood is based on God choosing a person to deliver a message or to remind people of His previous teachings. If a person is only going to accept the Prophet Muhammad because they believe that narrative, they're missing the entire point of Islam anyway. Since Islam is about accepting God, submitting to God, and then trying to prove ourselves to God.

a reply to: zazzafrazz

I am sorry but the information you linked is invalid .

the website is also Bias .

His validation came when he started receiving revelation from Gabriel.

You say the fighting started after his death ?

their was fighting before his death and tribal warfare . Muhammad brought peace to years of conflict that infected the region .

The fighting after his death is due to differing in who would be his predecessor as was predicted by Muhammad him self .

The divide was cause by the Khuaraij ( extremist ) who twisted teachings and scripture for a political agenda .

the Khuaraij ideology died out , but it seems to follow patterns of war . When war breaks out in regions people tend to innovate religion and scripture for gain .


the flaws of the religion lay on the shoulders of men who's hearts are black .

a reply to: enlightenedservant

non offense taken.

If I couldn't explain it from a historical perspective as I tried, then my failure.

Christianity and Islam are interjected with pieces of the older jewish religion that validate the messiah or prophet narrative, it is how it was done back all those thousands of years ago.

a reply to: Kapusta

link me to an acceptable site for you, Its hard to keep up with everyones sensibilities. The story i quoted is the same or are you saying the Jerusalem entry and dome of the rock ascension didn't happen?
It is ONE of the narratives i listed to validate him in the prophet line of Judaism. You correctly say it started with Gabriel, that is another older jewish narrative, but I was listing a interesting one to me, not ALL of them.
ETA correcting me on when the fighting started doesn't really sell Islam well,