morphogenetic fields

I think something akin to "morphogenetic fields" control life and evolution. I think there are pre-formed fields out there, like electric or magnetic fields,that control life and evolution form a top-down perspective. These fields organize the flow of evolution, all the way down to individual species,and the specifics of adaptation. A morphogenetic field attached to a species can read and adapt to an environment. If there is no adaptation possible, the species goes extinct. There is a set range of possible adaptations.

There is a heirarchy of morphogenetic fields. It starts at the top, with the entirety of evolution at the pinnacle. The whole of evolution is contained within. As evolution proceeds, it creates species that are necessary for the next step, through adaptation. One type of organism builds on the next, in a pre-programmed sequence. From bacteria to eukariotes, to multicellular organisms, on down the line through reptiles to mammals. The end goal is an ecosystem that supports large-brained, self aware thinking creatures.

Yes, this sort of science is far more intuitive to me than the standard explanations for such things. It's also fascinating that this concept closely mirror the ideas in object-oriented software programming and procedural generation. "Art" mimicking life? A sign that all the life around us was created by intelligences not as alien to our own as we typically believe? In any event, it gives me hope to believe that the world is set up this way, because it makes sense and things that make sense are comforting, and also because it easily leads to the plausibility of countless other worlds with different physics and sets of fields, some of them inevitably far more paradisial than this one.

a reply to: kcgads

Top-down is a good way to describe the process

The Morley-Martin experiments insisted on morphogenic fields. He was able to generate microscopic forms of living animals such as fish, crustaceans, etc from non-living material. Anyway, my description won't do it justice, but this one is pretty good:

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originally posted by: kcgads
I think something akin to "morphogenetic fields" control life and evolution. I think there are pre-formed fields out there, like electric or magnetic fields,that control life and evolution form a top-down perspective. These fields organize the flow of evolution, all the way down to individual species,and the specifics of adaptation. A morphogenetic field attached to a species can read and adapt to an environment. If there is no adaptation possible, the species goes extinct. There is a set range of possible adaptations.

There is a heirarchy of morphogenetic fields. It starts at the top, with the entirety of evolution at the pinnacle. The whole of evolution is contained within. As evolution proceeds, it creates species that are necessary for the next step, through adaptation. One type of organism builds on the next, in a pre-programmed sequence. From bacteria to eukariotes, to multicellular organisms, on down the line through reptiles to mammals. The end goal is an ecosystem that supports large-brained, self aware thinking creatures.

"the endgoal" lets not pretend to know the endgame of evolution. theres nothing to say that there even is an endgame. have life, will evolve. until life is no more.

Like the Matrix? Or this,
www.abovetopsecret.com...

a reply to: kcgads

Rupert Sheldrake and his morphogenic fields have been somewhat vindicated, with the failure of the human genome project to predict all it thought it could.

It makes sense to me. The best evolutionary step anything could make would be a hardware (genetic) system that can run a software (epigenetic/morphogenic) layer that's faster than evolution itself. That is clearly what's happening, and everyone knows it now, the only question is in how it works. What's really interesting to me is how an emergent system can have dual explanations, one in term of its smallest elements that make it up, one in terms of big-level descriptions, like fields. Its all worth looking at.

It's called evolution.
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Your adapting to your own awareness.
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a reply to: kcgads

a reply to: kcgads

I think something akin to "morphogenetic fields" control life and evolution.

Could you tell us why you think such fields are necessary to explain life and evolution?

Sheldrake concocted the term "morphogenetic field" in order to create a scientific-sounding label that would add respectability to his theory. It was also invented in order to create the false impression amongst materialistic physicists that he was proposing some large-scale, physical field existed that caused new random behaviours in individul members of a biological species to be communicated across space to its other members. No one in the scientific world takes this idea seriously.

Nor is his concept original, quite apart from its not being useful. Students of esoteric philosophy would point out that, when some animal, which has no soul of its own, discovers that some new behaviour is advantagous to it and learns to repeat it, the altered trait is communicated by an acausal process to its species' group soul existing outside space-time and becomes shared with other members of its species, which share the same group soul, causing them to exhibit similar behaviour that makes them more fit to survive. That, of course, is a non-scientific explanation. But it is no less scientific than the notion of a so-called "field" that has causative effects, yet does not propagate in space from point to point like the electromagnetic field. In fact, Sheldrake has done nothing more than substitute the non-scientific concept of "group soul" with a more scientific sounding one. Some may ask: what's wrong with that? The question is beside the point because the real question to be answered is whether the change of nomenclature to disguise the occult teaching about animal group souls amounts to anything other than plagiarism. He has never provided a possible mechanism for how his imaginary fields act because he cannot in principle. Feedback may occur in the group soul, but, when it does, it happens outside space-time and therefore does not need some weird kind of "morphogenetic field" to do the job.

a reply to: TzarChasm

Correct. "End goal" is a fairly nonsophisticated way to look at the matter. As a child it is common to believe that God put everything here for a reason. The designed system.

Evolution, on the other hand, tends to eschew concepts of intelligent design (unless one is of the mind that wants to use evolution as a means to an end).

There is o end goal. Or, if there is, there is no evidence for it.

a reply to: bigfatfurrytexan

That goal we think we need to achieve is really just another of our ways to avoid contemplating that appointment in Samara.

The OP wants us to believe in morphogenetic fields. Has he also considered thanatogenic fields?