Cops manhandle teens at Dallas pool party after complaints from neighbors

a reply to: symphonyofblase

If the kids were not there neither would the cops. Strange how that works. And I'm trying to derail the thread!

Yes, the cop was wrong but he wasn't there to act badly. He has lost his job and to me that is a crime when these miscreants go unpunished!

Now, it's time for my Foster's...cheers!

a reply to: Jaellma

The other weekend I heard a local teenage party disintegrate into total chaos - all the guys and gals yelling at each other. I thought "sounds like they're having fun - S-A-T-U-R - D-A-Y! " The millenials aren't exactly an enlightened bunch, or the culture or whatever. But I have seen other gatherings, I think because of text messaging and Facebook, young parties can get out of control much easier nowadays.

That aside, the cop spazz thing has always been a problem when people get lippie. They do that up here in Canada as well. As long as you obey and listen, there won't be any issues. But drunk and irritated people are bound to cause a huge fuss, and the cops will use their power to dominate them - even if they cuss word uttered is not necessarily "illegal". I was thinking about this the other day and comparing it to the martial arts of the eastern/Asian traditions where the samurai can only act out of justice but not personal revenge. Our police need to have that same type of discipline trained into them, perhaps...

originally posted by: buddah6
a reply to: symphonyofblase

No charges have been dropped because none were made. That's not because they weren't guilty. It's because the McKinney authorities were trying to cool the situation.

Is it time for your next episode of Skippy and suck down some vegimite?

Errrr you seem to have some sort of disability which is seriously affecting your basic reading and comprehension skills.

Adrian Martin, the kid in the video and the ONLY kid to be arrested at the pool party, was charged with offenses by police who later dropped all charges.

www.ibtimes.com...


You seem to be trying to make some sort of insult by making vague references to Australiana, but you're just making yourself look like a fool because you obviously have done no research into this whole incident.
You really are quite stupid, aren't you?

a reply to: [post=19441401]symphonyofblas

Yes, my disability does cause problems and yes I'm a fool for expressing my views of the McKinney situation. I do have a somewhat different view since I have family and friends in that area.

OK, with that said, you are still a troll!

a reply to: FraggleRock

And never mind all the other individuals in the general vicinity who, under this new and improved definition, are also interfering.

Exactly, the person video taping the event walked up to the cops to give them the flash light billy badass dropped doing his hardcore parkor.

It wasn't until he came up and started yelling at everyone to get on the ground that issues started.
a reply to: buddah6

No on here on ATS can understand the true dynamic of the events.

Please, plenty of people that are against what the cop did have agreed what those two did was idiotic. If you read the threads you will see.

I'm absolutely sure that the authorities in Oz wouldn't stand for the threats against Casebolt and his family, the security personnel at the pool and gated community on whole. G'day mate.

What threats were made?

I need to correct something I said earlier about this case. I stated that the cop didn't need to draw his weapon, because in the video, the actions didn't appear threatening. However, looking at stills here - link, and scroll down a bit - that show the scene more clearly, I have to say, he was right to draw the weapon. I still think he looks out of control in how he handled that teen, but the gun was justified.

originally posted by: Wookiep
Here's a video that really puts the whole story into a different perspective than what the media is.

It's 14 min long, but it's worth the watch, he really breaks it down well.

Excellent video, and he does make some very good points. I notice the little clip he included of the one teen being held down looks VERY different than it does from the angle we have all seen, too. Figures, the news media isn't showing that one. More and more, it seems my initial thoughts were right. I really hate it when I second guess myself. *sigh*

From that little clip, from the other side, the way he's got her pinned isn't nearly as bad as it looks from the other side. Well, I said if new evidence came out, I'd change my opinion, and it's now changed. I was wrong with the second opinion, and right with the first, that this was, in fact, blown all out of proportion. I stand corrected.

originally posted by: Pimpish
*snip*

As far as the area not being racist, I'll just suggest seeing a previous post I made about the area dealing with multiple fair housing lawsuits. The city settled out of court on one lawsuit and another is about to go before the Supreme Court of the United States.

As far as the one they decided to settle on, this website has a pdf of the actual complaint along with some other information.

Housing discrimination

Here are the settlement terms:

The settlement with the McKinney Housing Authority required it to provide local political subdivision contribution loans for up to 400 Low Income Housing Tax Credit units. ICP can provide at least $1,000,000 for these loans and has the option to provide additional funds to obtain the maximum 400 units required if the funds are made available.

So, if I have this straight, the area is being forced to provide low income housing, under the claim that not doing so is somehow racist? What a crock! Not having low income housing has nothing to do with race.

originally posted by: LadyGreenEyes
I need to correct something I said earlier about this case. I stated that the cop didn't need to draw his weapon, because in the video, the actions didn't appear threatening. However, looking at stills here - link, and scroll down a bit - that show the scene more clearly, I have to say, he was right to draw the weapon. I still think he looks out of control in how he handled that teen, but the gun was justified.

You know what? After reading a few articles and then reading the comments section I am changing my thoughts on this, too. Something weird is going on.

This kid, Adrian Martin, the one who "appears" to be lunging for the officer's weapon? He admits on Sean Hannity that it looks this way, too. In a way, that explains why the officer may have felt threatened. Also, this kid has a different name: Adrian Mosley. You could say he gave the officer a false name while arrested. The lawyer for Adrian says he is in the process of changing his name legally. But there's more to the story:

theconservativetreehouse.com...

ETA: I got cut off and posted without finishing. If you read the comments section of the article it gets very interesting. These commenters are posting arrest records and other things about this kid. And if you scroll down to the very end of the comments you will see someone who has personal experience with Adrian and his friends. She goes into incredible detail about it and comes off as very credible in my eyes.

Take what you want from it all. I just wanted to post it for you and anyone else interesting in reading about this kid who was arrested but released and not charged.

a reply to: texasgirl

Awesome, let the character assassinations begin, like that has anything to do with it.

Any of those people talking about how he handled the girl?

Funny how the biggest part of the story gets ignored by those defending the actions.

The cops needed to be called, the boys acted like idiots.

Doesn't some how excuse the officer.

originally posted by: Sremmos80
a reply to: texasgirl



Awesome, let the character assassinations begin, like that has anything to do with it.



Any of those people talking about how he handled the girl?



Funny how the biggest part of the story gets ignored by those defending the actions.



The cops needed to be called, the boys acted like idiots.



Doesn't some how excuse the officer.

Well, if this lady who commented said he brandished a gun on her son then it ties into the fact that he could've possible acted like he was going to go for the cop's gun. Which is how the officer may have felt.

a reply to: texasgirl

Ya I agree that kid was an idiot and should not have done what he did.
You don't square up on a cop on his gun side, hundred percent agree.

The cop didn't get suspended and chastised by the chief for that, it was for his actions on the 15 year old girl.

originally posted by: Sremmos80
a reply to: texasgirl



Ya I agree that kid was an idiot and should not have done what he did.

You don't square up on a cop on his gun side, hundred percent agree.



The cop didn't get suspended and chastised by the chief for that, it was for his actions on the 15 year old girl.

I thought it was routine for a cop to be suspended when there's a firearm involved so that they can conduct an investigation?

And the McKinney chief was only on the job a few months so he may have felt pressured to condemn the officer's actions. I mean, who really knows?

a reply to: texasgirl

I doubt they suspend if they just pull it, they pull their guns for a lot.

If it was used sure.

We can speculate that the he had pressure, but I don't think so.
Think it is more how much different the one officers actions were compared to the other 11 that were all in the same situation as him.

a reply to: Sremmos80

New info

originally posted by: bastion

originally posted by: Kester

originally posted by: bastion
...pulling a gun on children....

He pulled a gun on a provocateur who twice on video faked a gun draw then dashed behind a black youth to try and get the black youth shot by the white cop. Now why would someone do that?

Putting you hand near you hip isn't faking a gun draw in the normal world. It certainly isn't reason to have cops nearly murder you. If some psycho cop pulled a gun on me for no reason while beating up an innocent girl, I can guarantee I'd be diving for safety too and instinct would be to protect the innocent girl from the violent abusive attacker.

If you look at the stills from the link someone posted, it's more clear. The one guy DID make motions that looked like drawing a weapon, while the other was waving a towel or something around at the same level. It's hrd to spot in the video - I missed it - but once you see the stills, it's obvious.

originally posted by: bastion
I live in the UK. A few weeks back I was walking home with a friend...*snip*** Everyone was safe, happy and allowed to go on with their lives. In the US we'd have been shot on sight.

Nonsense. No one was shot in this case, and people deal with police all the time and aren't shot on sight.

originally posted by: texasgirl

originally posted by: LadyGreenEyes
I need to correct something I said earlier about this case. I stated that the cop didn't need to draw his weapon, because in the video, the actions didn't appear threatening. However, looking at stills here - link, and scroll down a bit - that show the scene more clearly, I have to say, he was right to draw the weapon. I still think he looks out of control in how he handled that teen, but the gun was justified.

You know what? After reading a few articles and then reading the comments section I am changing my thoughts on this, too. Something weird is going on.

This kid, Adrian Martin, the one who "appears" to be lunging for the officer's weapon? He admits on Sean Hannity that it looks this way, too. In a way, that explains why the officer may have felt threatened. Also, this kid has a different name: Adrian Mosley. You could say he gave the officer a false name while arrested. The lawyer for Adrian says he is in the process of changing his name legally. But there's more to the story:

theconservativetreehouse.com...

ETA: I got cut off and posted without finishing. If you read the comments section of the article it gets very interesting. These commenters are posting arrest records and other things about this kid. And if you scroll down to the very end of the comments you will see someone who has personal experience with Adrian and his friends. She goes into incredible detail about it and comes off as very credible in my eyes.

Take what you want from it all. I just wanted to post it for you and anyone else interesting in reading about this kid who was arrested but released and not charged.

Looks like some good data there, for certain! Reading through it, still, but that adds a whole new layer to the whole situation. Something going on, indeed! The cop probably did feel threatened, and of you watch the video clip shot from the other side, how he handles the girl isn't as bad as it looks from the side we have seen in the famous video. He's a bit rough, but isn't sitting on her, as it appears on the first video, and she is more clearly resisting. Now the guy involved in the gun being pulled, who at 18 is not a child, was using a false name? Interested in all the new data, and going swiftly back to my initial impression. Wish I'd stayed there. I saw a kid the age of one of mine in a bad situation, and from one angle only, and made assumptions I shouldn't have made.

To all saying no charges were filed, or charges were dropped, so what? All that means is the police there are trying to defuse the situation.

a reply to: LadyGreenEyes

Would someone explain to me why conservatives always attempt to demonize the victims?

originally posted by: krosnos
a reply to: LadyGreenEyes

Would someone explain to me why conservatives always attempt to demonize the victims?

You mean the residents, right? The ones whose pool was invaded because an adult posted online invites to a party for a lot of teens not from the area, who were verbally abused and at least one physically attacked by these teens, 'whose children were subjected to trashy music, and whose homes and cars are now being vandalized, because of this? Those victims?

a reply to: LadyGreenEyes

So a cop attacks kids and it is OK in your eyes?

I am not just talking about this case either. Every time there is an accusation against police in regards to black victims, the conservatives search high and low to demonize the accuser.

If this cop thought he was in danger, why were the other cops not on the same page?