My house has been destroyed by a para-military unit

a reply to: aboutface

'Serve and protect' has a new definition every day it seems

You're not reading the fine print.

"TO SERVE AND PROTECT ourselves"

The Chief said "Well, we did what we had to do". Can you imagine what would have happened if the guy had a hostage? Or had committed a larger crime, like holding up a bank? They would have blown the place off the foundation. THIS is why they don't need all the little govt toys that have been passed out like candy at Halloween. They have no sense of restraint. We Got It, We're Gonna Find A Reason To Use It! BOOM!!

a reply to: Hr2burn

Police feel they're not responsible for repair costs

Police feel they're not responsible for their own actions. There....fixed it.

a reply to: JAY1980
The police must be made to pay for the damage that has been done. It must come out of their budget as the damage shows that much more than reasonable force was used in this case. The police are suppose to use only reasonable force. Most other civilised countries this would be considered excess force and would also be considered dangerous to the public safety.
For all their faults isis shows what happens to policepeople when places go feral. When and not if shtf police in Amerika police can expect similiar treatment to police in Iraq where isis is in control. They are draged out of their homes and executed and groups of locals will not care or and even may support those doing the executing. The only way to avoid this is if police do not use such tactics and instead engage with the community. Confrontactional tactics eventually attract confrontactional approaches from those that you are confrontational with. I am sure that this case could have been resolved with little damage to the house and no endangerment to the community wear this house is located. These thugs will not learn until a lot of them are killed and i dont mean someone using small arms fire or necessariy by engaging them when they are on duty. Police have to remember that they do not live in armed fortresses 24 hours a day and can be attacted any time any where. police are also putting their families in danger by acting this way as those that are violent attract violence to themselves and those around them.

a reply to: imitator

OMFG!!! WTH is wrong with cops nowadays????
Do cops have no conscious? It seems they have no acts of interests for innocent people!

If you studied the history of the state you would realize that aggression is the nature of government.

This isn't anything new.

originally posted by: cavtrooper7
Guess what happens in St Louis if you don't pay your electric bill..www.blacklistednews.com...

All that, over a gas bill?!?!?!?!? So, a code issue is now an excuse to threaten to shoot someone, shoot their dog, and trash their house? Are they going to fine them again for the mess the cops made??

Welcome to Nazi America, everyone.

originally posted by: intrptr
Somebody filmed it. My guess is a boom with explosives attached on the front of an APC. It runs up to the house and pushes the boom into a room. Just inside the window the detonation would blow out the wall like that, leaving the roof intact. Then the APC backs up, reloads and moves forward again.

I don't know if the guy "gave up" or not, I would. Theres nothing to do but wait for the boom to be lowered, so to speak. They don't show us the tape of this because they want to do it again. This isn't unlike how they "resolved" Waco or that other dude that had explosives in his room wired to go off if someone entered.

Both times a boom was used on an APC to push into the structure.

Well, that would be a possibility. I hadn't considered a boom, and don't think I ever read about how they got into that one guys place, with the explosives. Too much other weirdness then to read about, I guess. In this case, though, this is one guy with a gun, and they used explosives?? That's about as logical as using a shotgun to kill a fly.

This is disturbing on so many levels. The police should never have that kind of capability, first, off. It amounts to a standing military, aimed at the citizenry instead of some foreign enemy. Second, the massive response, and the amount of force used, are all out of proportion to the situation and the crime. This was a shoplifter. Since when do the police use SWAT teams to catch a shoplifter? If someone burglarizes your home, you'll be lucky if they do anything but file a report, but shoplifting gets SWAT? They couldn't just get his face on video and pick him up later?? What's the penalty for jaywalking there, being run over by the cops? Third, how many people are willing to make excuses for this, play down the damage done, and act as though it is in any way acceptable? People are being trained to accept this. We see it in the schools, and we are seeing it more and more elsewhere these days. I have always understood why God uses sheep as an analogy for people, but this is extreme. Sheep won't willingly run into the jaws of a predator.

a reply to: LadyGreenEyes

I guess their child mouthed off to the cops and they had a record of it so they moved on the house like the military would.
Stupid short sighted GARBAGE like what we've all seen lately.

originally posted by: cavtrooper7
a reply to: LadyGreenEyes

I guess their child mouthed off to the cops and they had a record of it so they moved on the house like the military would.
Stupid short sighted GARBAGE like what we've all seen lately.

Interesting; was the child the actual perp?. Too many unanswered questions (should have made national news). What is happening now with the investigation as this was a horrible event.

a reply to: LadyGreenEyes

You were wondering why the excessive response? At the end of WWII the US nuked two whole cities rather than invade. At the time the rationale was the life in whole cities wasn't worth one more US serviceman dying.

The cops nowadays will go to any length it seems to make sure they all go home and sleep in their beds tonight. Thats the new definition of policing.

Instead of defending public property and life, they defend themselves. Or what they call it, "Doing what we had to do"?

originally posted by: intrptr
a reply to: LadyGreenEyes

You were wondering why the excessive response? At the end of WWII the US nuked two whole cities rather than invade. At the time the rationale was the life in whole cities wasn't worth one more US serviceman dying.

The cops nowadays will go to any length it seems to make sure they all go home and sleep in their beds tonight. Thats the new definition of policing.

Instead of defending public property and life, they defend themselves. Or what they call it, "Doing what we had to do"?

Not a bad comparison. I can see the rational, from one point of view, for the nukes in that case. "Better them than us", since things were so bad. That would be easier to defend if FDR hadn't pushed us into war with them in the first place, though. Our military being protected, I can get, but the government holds a lot of blame there!

In this case, I can't imagine what they felt "needed" to be done, to catch a shoplifter with a pistol. No hostages, and he was fleeing. Why they even pursued him is beyond me. Heck do we know if they chased the right guy, even? I hope so, but these days, nothing would surprise me! I'd love some Walmart and daashcam videos for this case, but we won't eveer see them.

a reply to: infolurker

Hello, I would like to point out that you state that it was "your house" yet upon further reading you state it is not, also out of curiousity I would like to know why you would post this in ATS being that the nature of this is not necessarily paranormal nor is it a conspiracy in theory. I use to frequent ATS in the past as it was an invaluable tool for research where like-minded camaraderie was heralded and praised, where collectively people would come together to add or investigate topics, sadly I see this site has been riddled with posts about abusive relationships and misleading titles for posts I see on Reddit... I would like to revive this site, so I made a new handle and decided to stop lurking after a very-very-very long hiatus and rally the troops so to speak to revive this site to what it use to be, to sift through the mis-information that I believe is purposely being pumped onto here to discredit truth seekers from taking this site seriously.

Till next we meet,
Regards
Se7enGods

a reply to: se7engods

When a member posts an article, we are asked/told, to post the thread as it was worded in the news/article, and not to change it to something simply because the wording would not be authentic.

The OP mentions this fact (that this is the story & not his/her home).

Further, this thread is in Posse Comitatus - not paranormal or conspiracy. Had you been a member some time ago, and a lurker for a very very very long time, I think you would understand this.

While it seems that there are many threads dealing with this issue, this is becoming more and more of an problem in our country, and one we need to take seriously.

BTW~Welcome to ATS

The part about

The shoplifting suspect drove to a light rail station, where he ditched the car and took off on foot, police said. He randomly picked Lech's home to hide in. A 9-year-old boy, escaped the home unharmed.

Did they start their assault before or after the boy escaped? What if there was a sick or bed ridden individual in there? The cops need to have their leashes shortened before things get any worse.

Well, now this adds a whole new layer of BS to this incident, if accurate.

link

Lech’s problems began about 2 p.m. Wednesday, miles away in Aurora, when Robert Jonathan Seacat, 33, was spotted attempting to shoplift.

Note the word "attempted". So, if that's right, he didn't actually steal anything, and was thus NOT a criminal! Stores aren't allowed to even accuse a person till they actually leave the store with stolen goods.

So, all of this for no crime at all??

originally posted by: intrptr
a reply to: LadyGreenEyes

You were wondering why the excessive response? At the end of WWII the US nuked two whole cities rather than invade. At the time the rationale was the life in whole cities wasn't worth one more US serviceman dying.

The cops nowadays will go to any length it seems to make sure they all go home and sleep in their beds tonight. Thats the new definition of policing.

Instead of defending public property and life, they defend themselves. Or what they call it, "Doing what we had to do"?

That wasn't the rationale. They calculated how many troops would be needed for a land invasion of Japan and it was in excess of one million, and with high casualties. The Japanese at that time were very patriotic, xenophobic, and worshiped the emperor as god and he had commanded all Japanese to defend the country if it was invaded. It wasn't about "one more serviceman dying" it was the less bloody option.

However it was good that Hirohito surrendered after just two bombings. The US was preparing to drop even more if he didn't surrender. Even if there were additional bombings it would be hard to tell which would have cost more lives - continued bombings or a land invasion.

Also, this is off-topic. American police thankfully don't have nuclear weapons.

LoL... you need to be like.. shooting a Donnie Yen movie for something like this to happen...

I mean.. Goddamn ... lol..

a reply to: RobinB022
Hoax. Infolurker failed to define (BTW; NOT MY HOUSE). This is why there is no forthcoming information.

a reply to: peskyhumans

Also, this is off-topic. American police thankfully don't have nuclear weapons.

That was off topic. The 'civil servants' protect themselves from you, not you from crime.

Thats the "less of their blood, more of yours" choice they will make.

Its why mass shooters run amok inside while the police sit outside waiting for "backup".

Its why they ram your house with a tank and throw flash bangs before entering a room. Its why they blew the crap out this house instead of entering it. And its why we nuked Japanese cities rather than set one boot on shore.

sledgehammers for walnuts seems to be the order of the day.

originally posted by: RoScoLaz4
sledgehammers for walnuts seems to be the order of the day.

Henry needed to be protected from David Lynch (no one stepped in).