HUMANS must mature in order to climb the KARDASHEV Scale. Otherwise the Future is blocked...

Just wanted to say, as is the case for all evolutionary structures, competition drives innovation.

a reply to: Ophiuchus 13

For HUMANS to climb the theoretical KARDASHEV Scale in a reasonable genetic and spiritual time/period and maybe even speed it up, levels of maturity as a CREATOR Creation Energy Group(CCEG)-species must be met in order to coexist with other CREATOR Creation Energy Groups-species or ALIENS that may be encountered as the Human species developed more ways to expand its influential scientific & technological reaches abroad.

Maturity, to me, is the key. It covers all the subjects we could possibly deal with. But in order to use it in a "global context, one must consider that, that global population is nothing more than individuals. It must be broken down to the individual maturity of each person.

Certainly, one country over another might be viewed as more "Mature" than another because of advanced cultural views about one subject or another. The culture will then set the standard as to what is normal and or mature. And one could expect that the people in that group will maintain the accepted average of what is considered a mature individual. While in another country one might find, compared to the first country, views and standards to be lax or not up to par.

Here in the U.S., both our standards of normalcy and maturity have been in steady decline to the point now that immaturity from lets say 1963, is normal and a mature standard. Childish mindsets run our country, therefor, we have lowered the bar as to what is mature and immature.

I believe it is true that their are many "holdouts" who have witnessed this decline, especially the ones who witnessed the decline and lived through it, to record it. We, are the exception, and the crazy ones because we dare to challenge the concept of "Normalcy"

We are constantly bombarded with ideas, trains of thought, that are not constructive, but wholly self destructive not only to the individual, but to the nation group, and the globe as a whole. The drugs, legal and non legal, only exacerbate this condition.

I do not blame the people as a whole, or individuals for this self destructive mindset. Nor do I see that this mindset of immaturity originated with the people of the earth. So for us to be judged for a immature mindset that is not of our making, is the most hypocritical and possibly most self serving thing I have ever read.

So, the "aliens" say "grow up" or you cant associate with us. Then I would say, "walk a mile in my shoes" and help us fix, our immaturity, if you want, our association.

We don't need to "Act" maturely, we need to "Be" mature". and for that, we need examples, to follow.

Maybe its time the aliens matured and bypassed TPTB.

Since before WW2 the aliens have listened to what the elite want. And as the elite want slaves and cannon fodder, this world will never ever evolve.

Either erase or bypass the elite. That is the only way the peasants can accelerate the technology level of this planet to a similar level used by the aliens that visit us on a daily basis.

I seem to have a thing for ol' Michio, interesting none the less:

a reply to: Ophiuchus 13
the best part of your OP are indeed the pics. The rest is _______.
What about the Borgs? If we could be more like the Borgs we would be so efficient. Would that make us a better society or culture? (hint:no) Also we are all there is as far as we know and if there are others who reached us they are probably focusing on efficiency not individualism, freedom and all that. We humans are more the artistic, authistic types, we don't like change very much but we paint the status quo in all available colors.

a reply to: Krazysh0t

Good point maybe it is really true: what mankind needs to evolve faster is an extraterrestrial enemy/rival?

not so, all is going as planned.
did you guys know we are almost there in fact.....good news for a fallen world,
that's the crux there....we see a fallen world...caught in the devils bargain, but he's been admonished fairly....and some more severe rebuke to go.!
smart Russian, though....

a reply to: Peeple

Failing that, we always have ourselves to compete against. Really all we need to do is break the space barrier and once we do that we'd have access to more resources and space than we can imagine to spread out and multiply. There are already corporations competing against each other to be the firsts to achieve this. Then once one company starts to produce a profit with it, others will follow along shortly afterwards. I'd imagine that the idea of a "country" would evolve as well and we'd have new nations form that exist in space to compete against as well.

We'd probably see another social revolution similar to the technological, industrial, and other social revolutions that happened beforehand.

In fact, I think it is more likely that if humanity was unified like the OP wants, we would NEVER reach the cosmos. After all, what's the point? With out conflict there is only stagnation. Not to say that stagnation is necessarily bad. It just depends on where you'd like to stagnate. If the world was unified like the OP wanted and we are able to restructure society to be self-sustainable and more green, there would never be a need to expand into the cosmos.

a reply to: Krazysh0t

You're wrong about that. Humans will always be motivated by discovering new things. The idea of existence is to experience after all. To me, we need the Nordics to simply appear, because otherwise, it is very difficult to make things interesting.
We also need to see what evolved forms of Blacks, Asians and Hispanics look like. See, when every race gets to mate with their future selves, then they won't feel so bad.

As far as the Kardashev scale, you can achieve it by one country wiping out all other races and conquering all the territories, or to work together. Now we obviously don't want the former(even if you can do that, you would eventually be asking what's next, and it would simply reduce all the diversities.)

originally posted by: np6888
a reply to: Krazysh0t

You're wrong about that. Humans will always be motivated by discovering new things. The idea of existence is to experience after all. To me, we need the Nordics to simply appear, because otherwise, it is very difficult to make things interesting.
We also need to see what evolved forms of Blacks, Asians and Hispanics look like. See, when every race gets to mate with their future selves, then they won't feel so bad.

As far as the Kardashev scale, you can achieve it by one country wiping out all other races and conquering all the territories, or to work together. Now we obviously don't want the former(even if you can do that, you would eventually be asking what's next, and it would simply reduce all the diversities.)

Believe what you want, but the universe has shown that the fastest progress stems from competition.

a reply to: PlanetXisHERE

Well, for one, Obama or even Japan can just simply tell what everyone here already knows. Two is to tell them to visit this website and read what I've posted in the past few months, as I've given all the evidence that one could possibly need. Three is to spread that video.

a reply to: Krazysh0t

Well, you need to define what progress is. Conquering others on arbitrarily concepts and hiding the truth is not progress. Making everyone happy and life as diverse as possible is.

originally posted by: np6888
a reply to: Krazysh0t

Well, you need to define what progress is. Conquering others on arbitrarily concepts and hiding the truth is not progress. Making everyone happy and life as diverse as possible is.

Competition doesn't necessarily mean violence. Just a heads up there. Competition could be something as simple as two artists competing against each other for more public appeal from their art.

a reply to: HumansEh

You stayed well on topic with the way you covered some of the religious influences and spending over many years. 1 is not trying to denounce the need for nor recommend the elimination of religious influence. 1 is however aware of the many ignorant hands and minds that have had their ways with the religious GREAT BOOKS and have used them to misguide the masses in order to oversee them.
The defense spending over 50 years, yes that would of been a very large amount of money that could of been used in other ways to encourage deep space explorations and possible mining for materials that could help the species health wise or technology wise.
Still 1 feels however defense is needed in order to protect the developing type 0 civilizations from allowing ignorant among them within their species chance to destabilize the entire species.
OUTTA BOX, defense is also required to protect type 0 civilizations from other type 0 civilizations that may be native to the local Star system neighborhood but may not care how their activities affect others they encounter.
And so protections is required to sustain the growth process from potential ignorance threats, not even considering Higher Level type civilizations that would be more AWARE of their IMMORTAL abilities that could also interact nefariously upon the lower realms...
So I guess its budgeting and priority overall HumansEh.
Logical evaluation, thanks for sharing...

originally posted by: SystemResistor
In order for the possibility of a totally cooperative and mutually-beneficial state of society to occur, the denizens must adhere to a form of equilibrium principle. To maintain a "level" and to be adverse to destructive or meddlesome temptations will maintain their synchronized link to the source of their energies - i.e. "Creator Consciousness" - and must also continue to innovate in order to prevent the decline of creativity and the encroaching boredom that goes along with it.

Accepted logic. To 1 its basically gaining more conscious integrity and maturity. And as that processes continues many Humans would become more aware of the negative things they are doing to themselves even if they feel they are doing it to others from different races-religious belief systems and political influences.
The Awareness alerts them that they are a Species as One and should be working on ways to preserve the species more so then to destroy it in various ways bit by bit.

originally posted by: SystemResistor
Although a total extinction is unlikely, we must continue to progress in any way shape or form to maintain our edge - even if we find "peace".

That is Maturity recognizing "we" may have issues that cause segregation and even hate, but if we don't figure a way out to help ourselves out as a species, the end result will be the same for all associated locally.
Especially if it involves the need to gain distance from a unstable local or nearby star nearing Supernova phase.

Thanks SystemResistor for bringing some more valid intelligent points to the OP

originally posted by: Unity_99
I don't actually think humans climb scales or evolve to higher levels in human form here on earth, unless plans suddenly changed. This is a playpen school. Matured souls go home. We're not in ideal form for one thing and have loved ones waiting for us, for another. There is also the whole prison concept and freeing souls to go home who may have been recycled here.

Your subjective observation is logical and possibly more objective then mentioned Unity_99. When 1 is describing that humans will not be able to climb further up the KARDASHEV Scale 1 is trying to transmit that immature activities like wars-oppression-greed- holding back of Knowledge's spiritual knowledge's will keep a CREATOR Creation Energy Group-Species stuck held back in the past preventing the present the opportunity to advance into the future. And until the HUMAN Creator Creation Energy matures the Human body and soul(s) will remain Stuck here in this school slowing graduations Unity_99. Graduations that would involve interactions with potential Higher UPS type 1-2-3-4-5 or 6 civilizations SOME WHO WOULD OF MASTERED IMMORTALITY. And as the HUMAN CREATOR Creation Energy matures the CCEG of HUMANS will ascend into the next Higher UP type civilizations which may include humans also mastering immortality increasing the potential for humans to reach further out or enter grad schools which = higher civilization standards then the current primitive... So humans would evolve into their HIGHER HUMAN SELVES at this point Unity_99 (which may include different body forms). Which allows opportunity for stronger connections within the collective consciousness of ALL* to be established.
So those who potentially are "placed-banished" within-into a lower type civilization reality intentionally placed there, who are from Higher type Immortal civilizations may be graduates also and may be permitted to go home. Especially if they help the immature lower type civilization mature... Showing they too have matured and may be possibly welcomed back into their higher type civilizations. So imagine a type 3-4-5-6 immortal being placed into a type 0 or 1 civilization that is still struggling with understanding their ETERNAL attributes. 1 could imagine that would be discomforting having to keep being cycled with the type 0 -1 civilizations KNOWING THE ETERNAL IMMORTAL KNOWLEDGE OF YOUR TYPE 3-4-5-6 SELF.

So maybe our loved ones are awaiting us to rise further up the KARDASHEV Scale with mature behaviors showing our potentials and integrity as "we" gain immortal abilities...
Perhaps humans are like Fractals of something larger and so perhaps it is the goal to expand the fractals exploration and paranormal/immortal conscious abilities, so that they can recognize who and what they truly are and are expected to be...

Thanks for coming to add some of you compassionate Loving points to the thread Unity_99

a reply to: Krazysh0t

Fair enough but cannot the competition be mature enough to see that yes its ok to compete, but its MORE important to be more considerate of the issues caused from global competing groups acting separately as opposed to working together? Issues that can hold a species back from reaching its full civilization potential.

Valid point made Krazysh0t and competition can be sometimes fun and doesn't have to always be cutthroat and based on S.T.S Service To Self of a specific groups interest...
Why not compete to see which group can clean the planet faster or which group can educate the most or which group can establish better health care in regions of medical distress. Which group can establish peace with the least amount of collateral damages.

Prayer/Intention is powerful and can even affect Space-Time. Prayer can change the weather. One person is powerful, but Unity in Prayer is even more powerful.

The more people come together in Unity with positive intentions, the more the energy of Earth will become more Positive (what you called type IV Society). "Reality" is only the thoughts and beliefs of the group, but even if a few come together, it can influence the reality to be more positive. This is why miraculous healing and other positive things that are unexplainable happen.

a reply to: Ophiuchus 13

Those higher ups, in various densities, some that interact and some (words fail here kind of see it as enveloping everything but unseen, as if behind the veil in outside a simulation or separation or mirrored reality even) Surrounding us, they're with us. We don't exactly leave home for one thing, and for another in this odd reality, perhaps a simulation even, we're never separate from Source and half the universe (higher levels) can be here.

The soul traps are real, but its like the conniving of ants, thinking oh boy we did it for real, we outsmarted and blocked all the avenues of (eagles the size of lets pretend suns in comparison but could infinitely beyond that). Now those huge intellects who are only Love can't do a thing, we got them outsmarted and all these souls are ours, muhahahahaha. Really? They're really very small souls in the scale of things.

We're not abandoned, no such thing.

I was reading some things about Higher Ups destroying the machines, the soul traps, and that we're going to wake up. It was a nice story someone came out with, and how the dark side here was all geared up for a battle, but they weren't going to waste energy on that, all of humanity wanted out, just like all of the ceteceans and nature calling for help. That they entered the machine instead and were destroying dimensional layers of this nightmare and everyone would be healed, counseled, brought back to fullness.

I am found it kind of inspiring in the sense that, even though that may not be the way it is, in fact probably a very slim tiny possibility it would occur, what a great thing for me to ask for now, to envision, to send energy towards, and even to send enquiries within my soul about.

It's just that we're not in world that would progress, it needs to righted. Anything we can do to help free this world, ie. not participate in wars unless its immediate self defense or something that is akin to a police action to serve and protect. Terrorists taking over a city, beheading people and selling the women and children off to me qualifies as a Serve and Protect job.

Opting out as much as those who can, land, solar, create own energy and food and get others too. We don't have to feed their machines.

Stand by each other. See through everything.

We can help, but if this planet were real, not just a test, or trap, and if it would be freed like the people on it, and geared for progression, here, to reach those higher levels, management of the whole solar system would either have to be toppled or this planet would have to be moved to a higher realm.

a reply to: Unity_99

I don't believe Earth is only a test or school. As more people wake up to the power of Prayer, Love, and Unity; more and more miracles will happen until it's seen as natural and Heaven will be one with Earth. More Light Beings (Angels/Higher Dimensional Beings) will be seen and understood as people believe more in God/Light/Spirit/Love.

Earth will be transformed back into Paradise (Eden/New Jerusalem, which ever word you wish to use).

Physical and Spirit are both Energy, just like Ice and Water are both H2O. Physical will become Spirit like Ice becomes Water.

Right now, things are solid/heavy/slow moving, but Prayer, Love, Unity, Awareness that all is Energy, will change that.

So the argument here is that we need to start working together and abandon all of Self Hatred species of hatred on ourselves (redundancy intended). If only we could improve our creation crayola creative captain planet forces on ourselves, we could advance up the next civilization ranking, becoming immortals who go searching the universe for answers to questions that we do not have because we are a type 4 bulbasaur.

I can't really make heads or tails of this threads topic, not trying to be an asshole. You're telling us that we need to do some "maturing" individually of our souls in order to progress up this scale. In order to do this, we need to give up greed, things of materialistic nature, ego, our desire for power, etc. Only then will we be able to attain this immortality and get cool gadgets and tech..

I don't think I really need to point this out but I will..

This is the furthest thing from mature. Complete polar opposite.

The motivation is purely materialistic, greedy, a desire for powers, and a major stroke to the ego.

Ego, being so disgustingly prominent throughout your posts. I tend to have a hard time understanding someone who talks about themselves in a third party, possibly even omnipotent, perspective. Half of your posts are in a yoda/spock format just for the sake of being mysteriously knowledgeable about something, 1 is this, 1 is that, thank you for contributing to 1. Like I said, not trying to be an asshole, but this annoyed the # out of me, and i'm sure i'm not the only one.

Putting aside the motivation, this "maturity" of the soul sounds a lot like Buddhism. That's great, I really agree with the Buddhist philosophies. There are actually a lot of GREAT morals to be learned from the Bible as well. Something positive can be achieved from most religions in the world. The problem is when these movements are taken for more than what they are, namely a set of guidelines on how to live your life in a way that is cohesive with everyone else. It is happening now, has happened in the past, and will never stop happening. There will always be religion, and honestly, trying to fight this fact is just as hopeless as trying to maintain an individual religions integrity for every member. People will always try to bend the rules for anything to get what they want. Someone may see Christianity as a valid reason for slaughtering innocent people. Not everyone sees it that way. You can't control the population, it will never happen. Look at ATS, PERFECT EXAMPLE.

With that being said, the idea of abandoning religion is completely improbable if not impossible.

One major thing that we have always had an amazing history of developing new technologies, medications, and overall scientific breakthroughs during, war. Like it or not, wartime has always been very good to the human race in terms of technological advances. As gruesome as it may be, it is a prime example of how competition drives advancements. What's the saying? It will always get worse before it gets better. You can't stop the population from fighting, praying, screwing, or prying. These things will always occur, in one way or another.

The only thing, in my opinion, that we can do is completely remove ourselves from the bull#. The elite will always strive for more power. Religions will always be misinterpreted. Ego will ALWAYS exist. I don't think that our journey is going to be leaving the earth, but within ourselves.

Order out of chaos will never present itself for a few reasons.
Everything happens for a reason.
Chaos can not exist.
Chaos is how we label events that we do not understand why they have happened.

We exist to be off-balance
You can't have love without hate, dark without light, rich without poor.
Thinking in terms of absolute value.. love and hate to the extreme would have the same value.
To be balanced, would mean that love and hate do not exist.
They only exist, when we are skewed one way or the other.

Put this into a grander scale.
Everything exists to be off-balance, or else it wouldn't exist at all.

So you have two options.

1) Find an inner balance and cease having purpose or existence

2) Go on living your life, like animals do.

a reply to: arpgme

Prayer is very complex, for example, according to Alcyone, they can hear prayers but are annoyed by the call for unity. Basically, if you call for unity, then it's too general(not to mention that prayers cannot overcome actions by rogue states.)

You have to be specific with your prayers. If the action is too big, infringes on someone's free will or even destiny, if your character is not fit to the thing you pray for, then it probably won't work.

I think one thing people could try is to ask their friends and family at dinner: "do you believe in UFOs?" Then follow up with something like, "did you know that Yahweh and Jesus are UFOs?" Then show them some videos from your laptop, tell them to do the same with their friends and families, and everyone should eventually get it. Everyone is intrigued by the supernatural, so it's not hard to "spread the word," if you really want to. Unfortunately, if they haven't been here, then it will be tough to get them to believe, but I think getting them interested first is the key.