We already have a time machine.

a reply to: anonentity

Please expound on the Tokyo incident as I have not heard of it and am interested. Thanks.

originally posted by: drphilxr
a reply to: anonentity

There's a simple logic game that -in my mind- proves time travel is possible , despite Hawking's famous quote:

“If time travel is possible, where are the tourists from the future?”

1. Time travel math/physics have already been elegantly worked out - Tipler, Wheeler, even Feynman! - so that's it's NOT unreasonable that a time travel device (which would also double as a hyperdrive of course!) WILL, eventually, be engineered. And no, I don't think the weird paradox posed by some that time travel devices could not travel earlier than CERN creating the 1st microsingularity is valid.

2. Therefore, a time travel machine has ALREADY been built, and visited many worldlines. the Graham-Wheeler-Everett multiverse allows a time traveler to indeed go back and speak to himself or his ancestors - as they aren't the EXACT ancestors that exist on his/her own worldline... - negating the grandfather paradox. There are moebius strip like flow-charts that can be derived when worldlines interact...quite complex.

So, Hawking is right in a sense - we sure have no concrete proof of any time traveling tourists, yet... Would the average citizen be able to time travel (ever?) - NO.

Would a government have ultimate control of time travel devices - YES.

Would time travelers then reveal themselves outside of their time? Very likely not.

So once we figure out the secret to gravity - as it relates to the "graviphoton" - AND we have access to immensely (compact) energy sources (ie., microsingularities), then we will be able to manipulate time.

Oh my.


*popcorn*
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I honestly why people think we can split a space time continuum when we cannot even split a molecule or atom without devestating (relative) consequences... Hawkins is right folks. Move along.

a reply to: Ultralight


Here it is, the man from Taured. listverse.com... plus a few more, If true it sort of suggests that, it is to do with consciousness having done a shift, from one reality to another.

a reply to: ReturnofTheSonOfNothing

To add: If the machine relied on an IBM5100 then surely in the future they would create a factory making IBM5100s?

In my personal opinion, physical time travel just isn't possible. As a previous poster said, it is possible to observe events from the past, but obviously not the future, because those events haven't happened yet.

We can view events from the past just by looking at the stars due to the time the light takes to reach our eyes.

In theory, if we placed a mirror far away (outside the milky way - pointed at Earth) -- and viewed it with a powerful telescope, we could see events that happened since the mirror was placed.

If we discovered particles that acted as "cosmic mirrors" that stored photons, then we could view events from the past like a CCTV camera.

Perhaps that may be a use of a black hole considering it absorbs all light. Who knows?

In any case, observing events from the past isn't time travel either, or else every home video of your kids birthdays could be considered time travel.

originally posted by: socketdude
In my personal opinion, physical time travel just isn't possible. As a previous poster said, it is possible to observe events from the past, but obviously not the future, because those events haven't happened yet.

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I'm not sure this can be an absolute statement of fact... Is time linear? Our perception of time is but that might just be consciousness interfering in it's own basic way.

What if all things are happening at exactly the same time?

Does the electron exist in two places/times yet our conscious perception is only able to translate what we 'see' into a movement/teleportation?

The problem with the Titor story is the author made several prop mistakes, either due to availability or just oversight.

One cannot consider the Titor story a basis of facts when the facts are polluted with gross mistakes.

originally posted by: drphilxr
call me crazy but i still think Titor wasn't entirely a hoax for the simple reason that his knowledge of high energy physics was just too dense. Either he was a high functioning pychotic or he was telling the truth. His version of a time distortion device had 2 mini singularities (sub-electron size) being "injected" with electrons, "revving" up their ergospheres such that they would interact at a certain radius to produce an einstein-rosen bridge. a real high energy physicist would be necessary to validate your hypothesis that the electrons jumping shells are doing so in a 4th dimensional fashion, but it sounds to me (not a physicist, just a neuroradiologist) like Quantum entanglement . . . ie., the photons are carrying information about their states across great distances instantly - which in effect is a stargate like phenomenon. All this without doing the math!

nice intro to photon-atom interactions...

I think Titor was a hoax, but a very very good one myself. Good fiction.

a reply to: drphilxr

Well, if you want to do the experiment, make a pair of miniature adiabatic reactors which will produce entanglement and then bombard the microsingularities with free electrons or photons. I only have one reactor unfortunately and it's a handful enough. I understand that you can make them for less than 20k each now using Chinese parts, it cost a lot more in the early 90's.

Cheers - Dave

a reply to: anonentity

i do like the consciousness angle - but it seems recapturing ancient meditation techniques may prove far harder than brute force opening a stargate with microsingularities!

The multiverse theory also includes shroedinger cat like aspects of conscious perception affecting the outcome of quantum states, so I buy that angle.

a reply to: bobs_uruncle

can you post some links for your or otherreactors?? its an interesting concept!

originally posted by: and14263

originally posted by: socketdude
In my personal opinion, physical time travel just isn't possible. As a previous poster said, it is possible to observe events from the past, but obviously not the future, because those events haven't happened yet.

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I'm not sure this can be an absolute statement of fact... Is time linear? Our perception of time is but that might just be consciousness interfering in it's own basic way.

What if all things are happening at exactly the same time?

Does the electron exist in two places/times yet our conscious perception is only able to translate what we 'see' into a movement/teleportation?

I doubt whether time is Linear, its the observation of incoming events that have to be linear to make them non chaotic. So consciousness rationalises the chaos.

originally posted by: drphilxr
a reply to: anonentity

i do like the consciousness angle - but it seems recapturing ancient meditation techniques may prove far harder than brute force opening a stargate with microsingularities!

The multiverse theory also includes shroedinger cat like aspects of conscious perception affecting the outcome of quantum states, so I buy that angle.

All the reasonable creditable reports of parallel Universes, could be viewed as consciousness interpreting another similar set of data, as the operating reality. Although still within the "rules" If you have jumped into or from a parallel world. The rules seem to state, that the steady state of the coherent interpretation of the data , in a linear fashion. Can only be changed, by a change in the time field. Which puts your consciousness into another probability path. Again the rules seem to state the only thing that can do this,are electrons, absorbing a time locked photon, which creates a brief time field, making it possible for the electron to teleport between orbital shells. The electrical nature of the Universal rules,mean that people objects and things, could be quantum jumping all the time, but for linear rationality, they are mostly ignored.

a reply to: socketdude

I agree... but its an energy thing man... How much energy does a black hole have? How much energy would be released in a tear in the fabric of time and space??? More than any known materials could withstand.



That and if you gave a population of monkeys water gun technology.... you would see it. Hawkins was right... we would see our monkey descendants by now coming back.

originally posted by: anonentity

originally posted by: EA006
a reply to: anonentity

If the field affects the view from the interpreter would that mean if time is an "illusion" then the events of the past can be manipulated, because technically they're still playing out?

Exactly and all the possible probabilities as well .Multiple Universes as multiple interpretations, parallel synchronistic call it what you will. A very highly energy efficient way of organising things. Matter and reality being a conscious interpretation of the local space time environment.

Souns like just a bunch of "potential" variations of 1's and 0's.

originally posted by: Legman
a reply to: socketdude

I agree... but its an energy thing man... How much energy does a black hole have? How much energy would be released in a tear in the fabric of time and space??? More than any known materials could withstand.



That and if you gave a population of monkeys water gun technology.... you would see it. Hawkins was right... we would see our monkey descendants by now coming back.

The energy of a Black Hole is only relative to what you are measuring it by. Consciousness determines the relativities, from the input data..

a reply to: Rosinitiate

It sure does look that way, even down to the spectral bar coding , with regards to Spectrographs.

It's funny that people keep stating Hawking's said this. Back in 1995 Hawking gave a speech about that possible dangers of time travel, during which he said that a crude time deference device could be build using basic items from Radio Shack. Shortly after this conference things did in fact change in weird ways. More people remembering things that either didn't happen or happened differently then remembered. In fact with little research anyone can find something that no longer is as it was (there are a lot of threads here about this type of stuff)

I'm not ever going to say Titor was telling the truth, and even if he was real he might been some kind of temporal disinformation agent (something that hasn't been addressed here). What I do know is that a few people I know that were there, and saw Hawking talk about time travel are also able to identify when something isn't right with our time line. I don't talk to my friend much (geographic reasons), but when we do we like to compare notes on things that have changed (our notes have a lot of in common events even though we hardly talk). Oh and just for fun try and find evidence of this speech by Hawking, and then find a transcript of it (not going to say it's impossible, but Good Luck)

Here's something a friend told me about why it's easier to pick out these changes, and I think it will make sense to those of you that have spotted one. He said that the brain rejects things that can't be pieced together well. On the other hand if a person has learned that a non-linier change can happen, then it allows the brain to accept that these changes do happen. It's like understanding how an Illusionist can fool us until we understand how the trick is done. Then the magic is gone, but still fun to watch. Just like changes in time.

a reply to: Guyfriday

Maybe a time traveler came back and had a stern talking to , to hawking ....?

a reply to: Legman
Possible. I do know that there were a few World leaders that attended the conference, and some of them still have pull in todays world.

One of the biggest changes that have happened lately (which no I will not discuss) have made it possible to track at least one group with access to such a device, but....BUT.... a certain scheduled event in the near future has to happen as predicted by me to be certain about this. This is why I won't say what changed, but I'm sure others here might have noticed a small "adjustment" in facts lately that bread crumbed a trail to a group that could benefit from the changes.

Though as I said a certain event in the near future would have to go in their favor for that to happen. I might be wrong, but even if I am wrong about who has access to a time device it doesn't change that facts that the changes that bread crumbed did take place.