Hundreds Expected for Mohammed Cartoon Contest Outside Phoenix Mosque

a reply to: beezzer

Fine. I can live with that as long as you let Sarah Palin go. She is sooo last decade.

originally posted by: Kali74
There's no call to change laws or bring the power of the State down on the tops of the heads of these bigoted morons. We have a right to call out hatred if we want to. In my opinion these assholes and anyone supporting their cause is anti-American. Admonishing the bikers is not attacking the 1st Amendment.

How silly of those bikers being so hateful.

Everyone knows Islam is a religion of peace we should not provoke them. Watch this video you will see how completely reasonable they can be.

originally posted by: olddognewtricks
The folks at that place of worship are minding their own business and should not be treated like this. This is SHAMEFUL.

I'm pretty sure the folk drawing cartoons are just minding their business too. So what's the problem?

originally posted by: ladyinwaiting
a reply to: beezzer

Fine. I can live with that as long as you let Sarah Palin go. She is sooo last decade.

She's hawt! No way.

Seriously, if we start with Palin, then someone will want whats-her-face on MSNBC to go.

Then after every tit-for-tat, we're left with 3 fat guys all named Carl who don't have a damned opinion about anything.

a reply to: TechniXcality

come on man.
stop pretending they are using satire.

en.wikipedia.org...

Satire is a genre of literature, and sometimes graphic and performing arts, in which vices, follies, abuses, and shortcomings are held up to ridicule, ideally with the intent of shaming individuals, corporations, government or society itself, into improvement

^^^^their protest outside the mosque does not meet that definition and you damn well know it

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Teasing (sfottò) is an ancient form of simple buffoonery, a form of comedy without satire's subversive edge. Teasing includes light and affectionate parody, good-humoured mockery, simple one-dimensional poking fun, and benign spoofs. Teasing typically consists of an impersonation of someone monkeying around with his exterior attributes, tics, physical blemishes, voice and mannerisms, quirks, way of dressing and walking, and/or the phrases he typically repeats. By contrast, teasing never touches on the core issue, never makes a serious criticism judging the target with irony; it never harms the target's conduct, ideology and position of power;

^^^more like that.

they are doing nothing more than trying to cause trouble under the guise of freedom of speech and apparently 'satire'

a reply to: Greathouse

Just googled religious riots in google.

About 17,100,000 results

STOP RIOTING OVER RELIGION PLEASE ALL.

Riot over something important instead.

a reply to: Mugly

The demonstration it's self is not satire! The drawing of muhmed is satire! You are splitting hairs and you know it!

As an American Muslim, I'm all in favor of stuff like this, as much as I have an opinion. There's no validity to the "incitement to violence" argument. They're not advocating violence themselves, and I hope reasonable adults understand responding violently to non-violence is ethically defensible never.

They're using a completely non-violent form of protest fully protected in by the First Amendment. Muslims who don't like it are free to do the same. ALL protest is a deliberate provocation or it's pointless. The onus is on law enforcement to protect every citizen involved. If law enforcement feels this creates an impossible burden they have the right to restrict the protest, but that doesn't seem to be the case.

Furthermore, an argument stands or falls on its own merits, we know that. It has no bearing what the protestors' other views are, or why they decided to protest in this way. You could show me they literally advocate killing me personally and it would have no bearing on whether their message -- "freedom of expression includes freedom to be non-violently offensive" -- is true. And it is true. And I hope it always will be. (I'm not saying it IS offensive. But that its offensiveness could be 100% to every Muslim and it would still be valid protest.)

a reply to: TechniXcality

agree to disagree i guess.

i have no love for the muslim religion. no love for any religion.
definitely no love for the a holes that like to cause trouble.

in the end, i think it is all stupid and pointless.

and in the end i think nothing positive will come from this.

originally posted by: boymonkey74
a reply to: Greathouse

Just googled religious riots in google.

About 17,100,000 results

STOP RIOTING OVER RELIGION PLEASE ALL.

Riot over something important instead.

I've never truly understood religion, it gives people hope, morals, beliefs and and a motive for murder ?

The first three reasons are nice I guess, but the last one not so much.

a reply to: Mugly






Was this a political satire? I believe there was a demonstration associated with it.

a reply to: Greathouse

sucks dont it.

i think religion was probably first thought up by humans that were trying to find a way to cope with death and loved ones dying.

over the thousands of years it has become polluted.

i suppose it does give some hope and something to believe in.

for others though it is a reason/excuse to oppress and keep people in fear.
for others i think it gives them an 'excuse' to do bad things. like murder

just my opinion.
but it is the opinion of a guy that thinks religion is like a cancer.
i think the world and all the people in it would be better off if religion was eradicated.

again, just my opinion.
i dont expect nor do i want people to agree

a reply to: Greathouse

I've never truly understood religion, it gives people hope, morals, beliefs and and a motive for murder ?

The first three reasons are nice I guess, but the last one not so much.

Oh God. Now I'm going to have nightmares. It's the cold truth though.

a reply to: Greathouse

I've never truly understood religion, it gives people hope, morals, beliefs and and a motive for murder ?

I say the same thing about government. The keeper of the 'faith'.

Religion gets a bad rap, but it was replaced with is far,far,far worse.

a reply to: Mugly

Since religion was first introduced people have killed each other over it. To me all religions are cults, The big religions now are just the most popular cults through history. I once heard a saying..........

"A church says pass the plate, a cult says pass the ammo"


If you look at history I see very little difference between the two. Because inevitably all churches have also passed the ammo.

a reply to: TechniXcality

i cant give an honest answer cause i am not positive what that is.
boston tea party?

honestly, i dont know. i dont know the context. i dont know whats on those flags. i dont know what those bubbles say.
either way, those pictures are a far cry from what is happening in phoenix

a reply to: Greathouse

im right along with you greathouse
we would be better off without it

a reply to: TechniXcality

when i think satire, i think about this

en.wikipedia.org...

i think sacha cohen with borat and ali g
i think frank zappa. seth macfarlane, matt stone, bob odenkirk, the lonely island.

what i do not think about is a bunch of bikers trying to stir crap up outside a mosque

a reply to: Mugly

Im sure the fellahs who wore red coats felt the same way about us ragtag rebels causing problems.

Oh, and when Westboro Baptist gets tanks and missiles and starts taking over villages, we can talk about comparing that to the problem of Muslim fundamentalism. Come on. Like every complex human endeavor, Christianity has a bloody history, but its present reality is that violent maniacs are rare enough to be outliers. That is not the case with Islam. It's not the case with a few situations but why bring them up? Violence against Muslims doesn't somehow cancel out violence perpetrated by Muslims.

I know some fellow Muslims, especially non-Westerners, reading this may have a visceral reaction to the idea of these cartoons. Even if you support the rights of these protesters you may find what they're doing offensive. Or you may find the fact that they're doing it deliberately to offend, rather than the cartoons, upsetting. Or you may feel the horrors of being targeted by other Muslims as well as everyone else dwarf the importance of the rights the protesters are both invoking and defending.

Let's be square, fellow lurking Muslim. We're starting to act like, well, Mormons. We all know this is a real problem, Muslim violence, and that we have to address it, but we do this one-two shuffle with "outsiders" (I am not going to use the slur some of you may be thinking, and shame on you). It's about presenting the most beautified face while believing we're dealing with "Muslim business" within our communities. Heck, I used to believe that. Then I realized, am I just filtering out what I don't agree with? I was.

Does it make them less dangerous, that the 18 to 23-year-olds who post endlessly to Twitter in support of ISIS and how any Muslims posting against it will pay in violence are probably just idiots? Or do we not know--yes, KNOW--that their idiocy comes from a long, long, history of an influential school of Islamic thought which we must finally admit is maybe just a little bit effing insane?

We want to show good people that we are good. That we even CAN be good, since some of them don't know, or don't think we can. So we go this "Not All Muslims" route. It's true but so what? What's the point? There's no influential school of Islamic thought which has inevitably led to horrific violence since, I dunno, maybe around a few hours, literally, after Muhammad, peace to him and his family, passed away? Little incident around then anybody recall? Right. This division is not new. This violence is not new. It's not just some unimaginable margin of people, because even though it is a small percentage, it's a very well ARMED percentage, and well organized, and seriously, seriously, think about exactly how long they'd take to distinguish you from any other poster on this thread.

Non-Muslim Westerners tell each other "stop pandering to the violent Muslims" (and yes, they do mean the violent ones, they don't have to say it every time, that is asinine). Well, lurking Muslim, I'm telling you, stop pandering to the non-Muslims with this "but Islam is perfect" nonsense. Islam might be perfect but if you can show me a perfect Muslim I'll know I've gone to Jannah. We can't keep playing "moderate Muslim". We have to fight extremism with extremism -- extreme repudiation, extreme non-violence, extreme freedom of speech.