The SIMPLEST TRUTH

So this process of ridding ourselves of these fog like notions you mention, how long does it take? How long did it take you?

Many get tired however the best answer that I can give is that each person has a unique solution to find, so your answer is going to be an answer that nobody else has ever formulated before, and all you have to do is try and persist in your quest for the actualisation of a permanent state of being.

originally posted by: VitaArcana
There is no feeling at all, you just are and always will be. That's the thing people do not grasp, that the mind and body are vessels their by products are what makes you the you that you are now.

This sounds like what many of the Transcendental philosophies of Buddhism and Hinduism speak of in terms of recognizing consciousness APART from form. Do you have knowledge of these teachings?

originally posted by: VitaArcana
The consciousness is the crystal, the divine spark, the soul or whatever you want to call it...

The consciousness is separate from all forms, but you can not leave this corporate form due to restrictions as I said the management makes sure no escape from Prison Earth occurs.

It sounds like you have circumvented what you call Management. So this is one's own conscious choice to release a certain presumption of being imprisoned, it sounds like. Did you get help?

originally posted by: VitaArcana
I do have to admit it was my bad choice of wording, it's not really stripping away or peeling away layers, it is more of just flipping off the switch. Hard to do and takes time but can be done, there are draw backs as I said and you do have a high % of going insane during it.

Did you go insane? I know that some of the Transcendental practitioners speak of such separation between consciousness and form, and have little to do with their body-minds. Not necessarily a good thing, in my view, to not take responsibility for the vessel, but this is a common condition relative to mystics and transcendentalists. Why do you assume consciousness is actually completely separate from the body-mind even if it is beyond the body-mind? Is not consciousness actually prior to, but not separate from, form in this very moment of reading this text?

Is consciousness the same as Reality to you? I guess that will help me with my previous question as well.

originally posted by: VitaArcana
The whole process is very interesting... The way your body and mind reacts is almost as if they have a self protection mechanism...

Yes, it is very interesting, and the body-mind is definitely all about self-preservation - even to the point of naively believing it is some independent separate entity apart from the whole field in which it dependently arises, rather than dependently connected to the whole field in which it arises. This assumption of being an independent separate entity is a very false notion and most people live under the illusion of this presumption because it is part of the world dogma of egoity.

originally posted by: VitaArcana
Oh... also you can forget about sleep, your vessel might be resting but you won't be as you are constantly awake...

Things such as love, pain, fear, happiness, sadness etc etc... begin to fall off like chunks of a shell...

So your body-mind may be asleep, but you are always conscious of all of its activities in terms of dreaming and deep sleep?

originally posted by: VitaArcana
The best way to put it is like, you are outside your body, you already know what to do but the body takes time to send information between you, your mind and the body. So your body is actually kind of stuttering a bit behind...

Where are you in terms of the body-mind? Above the brain-mind or ?

Thanks for the interesting discussion.

originally posted by: VitaArcana
Well I would not really call it alive, it's more of existing as something that always was and always will be... Problem than becomes is locating the original, for all things came out of the darkness before first light and first form was created...

So you do not equate consciousness with fundamental Reality? Is your consciousness individuated?

a reply to: VitaArcana

Firstly I'd just like give my appreciation for the intellectual conversation as a whole. Very much my kind of thread.

Secondly, (and I hate the way this word has been misused so much recently) But I would like to say to VitaArcana, in the true sense of the word.. Namaste my friend. Very respectable thread, and I would like to support him in the fact that this is something very hard to actually write about.

I always see this subject as something that in some ways the human language is too inadequate to appropriately explain. You can only throw your best words at it and hope that readers can actually comprehend the meaning.

Just as a side note I wanna say I'm with you (VitaArcana) on the whole spiritual consciousness side. However as far as the humanity origin side goes, I'm still skeptical and throw no justification in that direction. (Apologies).

But without trying to feed my ego in anyway (as that is a big step in this process) I would like to say I have "achieved" and experienced some of these issues that you mention, and I can back you up on them.

This is something that is hard to put out there as "naive" minds just can't comprehend this aspect.

Please don't see anythin I say as derogiratary to any developing minds. I'd just like to say don't judge before you truly contemplate what is being conversed here.

just realised I could type all day about this subject heheh, so I shall leave it there.

Holy crayola on a cracker.... so many questions and it has only been couple minutes...

originally posted by: TerryMcGuire
So this process of ridding ourselves of these fog like notions you mention, how long does it take? How long did it take you?

So.... the usual awakening process/mechanism for every human begins around the age of 15-16 that is when the vessel body/mind begins it's fermenting/maturing process like fine wine. We humans also know it as puberty and for some it is even younger age of 13, it all depends on the genetic code.

However, this is where it becomes very very interesting and curious, the first trigger is usually Deja Vu the Management loves this trigger. It's like a stick to jab you in the eye with to see how you will take it, many brush it off as a brain seizure and others as a neurological lapse of perception.

But those that pursue it and remove the insanity factor things become quiet entertaining, also to clear up the huge giant confusion about Deja Vu. It has nothing NOTHING.... to do with dreams! The so called prophetic dreams are a complete different side matter of the subject.... Please do not confuse the two....

Deja Vu, allows you to be able to initially not as much as slow, manipulate or speed up time, it is more of bending it for a few seconds. This is why the experience is usually under 1 minute and not any longer, extending it to beyond 1 minute causes a lot of attention.... I am not talking just about the management here, there are others out there that take special night time interest to people like this.....

There are other things that occur other than Deja Vu, Prophetic dreams etc etc... But I am not going into that area as it will cause way too much confusion and is rather hard to put into words as our language is so limited.

The whole process usually takes 4-5 years at age 20-21 your vessel/mind will become fully mature and it will be the key stone if you are ready to progress further.... Or... as I said just brush it off as an insane act of your mind/playing tricks on your intellect..

I am currently 22 and last year of maturity is usually the big eye opener, hence this thread!

originally posted by: OwenUK
a reply to: VitaArcana

Firstly I'd just like give my appreciation for the intellectual conversation as a whole. Very much my kind of thread.

Secondly, (and I hate the way this word has been misused so much recently) But I would like to say to VitaArcana, in the true sense of the word.. Namaste my friend. Very respectable thread, and I would like to support him in the fact that this is something very hard to actually write about.

I always see this subject as something that in some ways the human language is too inadequate to appropriately explain. You can only throw your best words at it and hope that readers can actually comprehend the meaning.

Just as a side note I wanna say I'm with you (VitaArcana) on the whole spiritual consciousness side. However as far as the humanity origin side goes, I'm still skeptical and throw no justification in that direction. (Apologies).

But without trying to feed my ego in anyway (as that is a big step in this process) I would like to say I have "achieved" and experienced some of these issues that you mention, and I can back you up on them.

This is something that is hard to put out there as "naive" minds just can't comprehend this aspect.

Please don't see anythin I say as derogiratary to any developing minds. I'd just like to say don't judge before you truly contemplate what is being conversed here.

just realised I could type all day about this subject heheh, so I shall leave it there.

It's perfectly understandable and regarding your origin comment I am rather also skeptical on the version I sought out.... The issue is the fact of being human your consciousness gets so addicted to the human aspect of existence, that you even begin to transpire knowledge in a way that the human mind/body would.

Basically something that is advanced and can only be understood by the consciousness, may very well be shown in a way a human mind/body would see it. Thusly tainting the whole observation/perception of the event, it is the reason why I very much not as much as hate but lets go with dislike the human state that is like a parasite that effects everything...

Funny fact Namaste is not really a greeting or a way of saying goodbye/thanks, it really means I see you the real you as you see me... Human language was rather limited and was much more diverse in the days of the past/future...

originally posted by: bb23108
So you do not equate consciousness with fundamental Reality? Is your consciousness individuated?

It's not part of reality it's separate and makes things more fluid than the complicated reality the body/mind creates here...

Careful there young one... you might make mama/papa bear consciousness a bit unhappy

See when you are in this state you realize how messed up and of a plague/parasite the human body/mind really is...

Before darkness there was nothingness, before light there was darkness, before the first form there was light.... I can only put this in the best way this language has to offer....

We are more connected/united than people, science or religions think.... the concept of God is not really God.... we are that which decided to experience existence.... I have no word for it and it is not God or any other deity/scientific explanation we have came to know/acquire...

So now ask yourself who/what are we killing every time we let anger,hate and greed rule our actions through the body/mind...

a reply to: bb23108

Do you have knowledge of these teachings?

No, I have never took any religion or spiritual practice as part of my so called life journey, but at the same time I already knew of them.

Let me give you an example, if you are sitting there doing a biology exam, you know nothing nor understand anything. As you had no prior knowledge on the subject... Yet you write and describe everything in all detail enabling for you to pass this exam/test, does this not mean - You had no knowledge prior to it and yet you already had the knowledge?

Did you get help?

We get help/hints on a daily bases more than anyone really knows, they require no thanks for they know you are already thankful and they do not involve themselves directly as it violate the laws of this wild wild west we call Earth.

Did you go insane?

No, I did not as at first I came to observing it, before studying it or jumping head straight in, this is the mistake many people make and thusly it results in people thinking they are God, Angel,Demon, Alien etc etc...

It feeds the ego like a wild fire finding dry grass on it's path.....

Be very careful not to jump head in first before you stick a toe in to test the waters...

Why do you assume consciousness is actually completely separate from the body-mind even if it is beyond the body-mind? Is not consciousness actually prior to, but not separate from, form in this very moment of reading this text?

Interesting dilemma.... I have to give you a you almost jabbed me with that knife there

It is separate as the fact that, I am reading this with the body/mind comprehension of language/knowledge I attained over 23 years of being here on Earth...

It is prior to body and mind for without it the vessel, would not be operational, think of body/mind being like a television and the consciousness a universal remote.... A universal remote can be used for other tv's, stereos, dvd players etc etc...

The controller on it's own can be used for many things as it is like a universal controller.... while the tv is a separate entity, that has the right frequency box to receive the signal.....

I'm sorry I probably made this even more complicated..... as I said explaining this in the limited language we have is a bit iffy....

So your body-mind may be asleep, but you are always conscious of all of its activities in terms of dreaming and deep sleep?

Yes, you experience, nde's, obe's, astral travel etc etc.... Also fun fact humans die more at night than anyone really knows or one is even aware of.....

Back on point, people that experience those things on a lesser level of perception/awareness, they are peaking through a tiny hold in the backstage curtain...

You become aware of things and potentially make yourself a target for the middle management here, many came to know them as several orders/cults/powers that be etc....

Like for example the black city, underneath a certain city..... very bad place to be or travel through certain tunnels to....last I heard that's how all those homeless people were slaughtered during the flooding.... all they wanted was a place to survive and not drown.... but someone had a different idea....

Oh also for conspiracy theorists the big one's..... beware of them and I mean be very very cautious.... I'm not going to go into details as it would violate the rules of this board/forum...

Back on point.... a lot of interesting things come out of this and it is rather both good/bad in the perception of the vessels self preservation...

Where are you in terms of the body-mind? Above the brain-mind or ?

Hahaha.... you remind me of my ex-girlfriend..... last time such discussion was raised she called me heartless and emotionless.... humans are so accustomed to the emotional,physical and chemical process that it's like heroine for them....

I tried to teach her this and she began to excel.... but than the draw back happened where she was let's call it tested.... She snapped and started go insanely chaotic/violent, mostly screaming she can't live like this without the feeling of love, happiness, gratitude, physical connection....

What can I say and as I said before... This is not as easy as it sounds and not as easy as it seems, the purge of emotions, connections that they have with your body/mind is very complicated/hard....

You will feel emotional trauma,pain and suffering like no other.... it's like a tiny storm that turns into the highest category hurricane multiplied by a million or maybe a billion....

So... yes I am heartless to those around me now, the mere scent of me in this state face to face makes people become violent for no apparent reason....

Also you are welcome for the interesting discussions...

Thank you for your thorough responses - I appreciate that. I know it takes a lot of time.

I have other questions and comments, but regarding what you said that I quoted below, and also about how you really "dislike the human state that is like a parasite that effects everything" ...

originally posted by: VitaArcana
a reply to: bb23108

So... yes I am heartless to those around me now, the mere scent of me in this state face to face makes people become violent for no apparent reason....

I understand what you are saying in terms of how the body-mind seemed to only create further obstacles to your awakening to consciousness, and that all of its emotions only impeded this process for you, but why are you treating your family and in-life friends differently than you are here?

Here you seem kind in that you are putting out a lot of energy in communicating your message. That caring disposition certainly seems emotional to me. So if you can be emotional in your communication to others here, why are you heartless to those around you now? In other words, you don't seem heartless here.

Also, if you have awakened to consciousness, why is the body-mind still an obstruction? Why can't you allow the body-mind to love, to be friendly like you are here? If you are free of the body-mind, why not let it be kind to others in your daily life? Wouldn't that example be a more effective means of getting your message communicated than just heartlessly cutting them off?

originally posted by: bb23108
Thank you for your thorough responses - I appreciate that. I know it takes a lot of time.

I have other questions and comments, but regarding what you said that I quoted below, and also about how you really "dislike the human state that is like a parasite that effects everything" ...

originally posted by: VitaArcana
a reply to: bb23108

So... yes I am heartless to those around me now, the mere scent of me in this state face to face makes people become violent for no apparent reason....

I understand what you are saying in terms of how the body-mind seemed to only create further obstacles to your awakening to consciousness, and that all of its emotions only impeded this process for you, but why are you treating your family and in-life friends differently than you are here?

Here you seem kind in that you are putting out a lot of energy in communicating your message. That caring disposition certainly seems emotional to me. So if you can be emotional in your communication to others here, why are you heartless to those around you now? In other words, you don't seem heartless here.

Also, if you have awakened to consciousness, why is the body-mind still an obstruction? Why can't you allow the body-mind to love, to be friendly like you are here? If you are free of the body-mind, why not let it be kind to others in your daily life? Wouldn't that example be a more effective means of getting your message communicated than just heartlessly cutting them off?

No no no this state make you heartless, sorry I worded it wrong and it causes people to pick up on it and they tend to become violent. Not sure why.... as I said possibly the strange inbuilt sensor that all humans have...

a reply to: VitaArcana
Thank you for your response to my question. And now,,,, I have several more.
Through you thread, I notice that you keep making side references to 'managment' though at times you say 'Managment"
At times from your writing I get the impression that this 'management' is not a good thing. That some how managment plays a controlling part in this whole reality you perceive. You could elaborate on the nature and beingness of this 'management'. It could help explain more of what you are trying to impart here.

Also you suggest that the maturation process can run through the last few years of teenager years and into the early 20s. Generally. Certainly this all lines up with the years following puberty which makes sense due to the major changes in our physical beings during this period. But Vita, what happens next?

I am assuming that this course you have come across, that you have set upon, that you understand as ripening to a point of maturity around 22. what happens now. From you descriptions of this process that you mention, I get the impression that not everyone, yea very few people go, or have gone through this process you describe. And that you have and managed to come out the other side a more mature person, a wiser person than the average Joe. So, what now?
How will all of this benefit you, or the world. What possible changes and revelations might be coming your way in the next five years. Ten years. Fifty years.???

originally posted by: VitaArcana
No no no this state make you heartless, sorry I worded it wrong and it causes people to pick up on it and they tend to become violent. Not sure why.... as I said possibly the strange inbuilt sensor that all humans have...

I think I understood you before - you are saying that you, as consciousness, are apart from emotions, right?

So if that is the case, then why not just let the body-mind be loving and caring still?

I mean, you are caring here online, so why are you different when you see your family, etc.?

originally posted by: bb23108

originally posted by: VitaArcana
No no no this state make you heartless, sorry I worded it wrong and it causes people to pick up on it and they tend to become violent. Not sure why.... as I said possibly the strange inbuilt sensor that all humans have...

I think I understood you before - you are saying that you, as consciousness, are apart from emotions, right?

So if that is the case, then why not just let the body-mind be loving and caring still?

I mean, you are caring here online, so why are you different when you see your family, etc.?

I'm heartless to everyone now as I don't have emotions, I write in this way because it is best suitable for your understanding and others. I don't express anger to anyone nor happiness that's the thing about when you are apart from emotions.

It's humanity that begins to express anger and violence towards me as they are afraid that I am in this state now..

originally posted by: VitaArcana
I'm heartless to everyone now as I don't have emotions, I write in this way because it is best suitable for your understanding and others. I don't express anger to anyone nor happiness that's the thing about when you are apart from emotions.

It sounds to me like you have abstracted yourself from the lower body-mind and are identifying with what is traditionally called the "observer". It is a function of the higher mind in which one simply observes everything without any attachment - as a separate and objective observer of everything and everyone.

This is written about in various Eastern traditions and mapped via the chakra system. It is a subtle (higher) function of the mind but it is not considered the most profound realization of Truth. There are those that tell us that consciousness is NOT separate from anything - that Consciousness is the "substance" of which all conditions are modifications of. And this can tacitly be recognized by anyone.

If you really consider this, nothing can exist outside of what is indivisible Reality - not the observer, not any objects, not anyone. Everything, including the observer, is a stepped-down frequency of Conscious Light or Reality Itself - that is, indivisible Consciousness.

Consciousness is NOT separate from any of its modifications - it is absolute Light (Energy) Love-Bliss - unbounded Feeling, never separated from anything. It only appears that way because our Awareness (Consciousness) has associated with these body-minds through the mechanism of attention and so believes it is the body-mind.

Then Awareness eventually figures out ways to dissociate from the body-mind, often as you describe via the observer function - until it all is understood to be unnecessary, as Reality is where we already stand - and the seeking for it only hides it. In other words, Reality can be recognized in this moment as Awareness or Consciousness Itself without having to dismiss the body-mind.

Yes, I agree that disciplining the body-mind is necessary to counter its unconscious illusions relative to Awareness or Consciousness believing it is just the body-mind - but that understanding that we are non-separate Awareness can tacitly be noticed from the very beginning, and nurtured more and more as what we actually are in Reality (via various supportive disciplines, etc.) and without having to dissociate from life.

Isn't all of this a modification of Light? What can actually ever be separate from that Light?

I certainly respect your energy and passion for this process, but also feel I needed to say this to you as well, once you told me more about your process.

Your great passion is also emotional as far as I am concerned - and that is a very good thing, in my opinion.

originally posted by: TerryMcGuire
a reply to: VitaArcana
Thank you for your response to my question. And now,,,, I have several more.
Through you thread, I notice that you keep making side references to 'managment' though at times you say 'Managment"
At times from your writing I get the impression that this 'management' is not a good thing. That some how managment plays a controlling part in this whole reality you perceive. You could elaborate on the nature and beingness of this 'management'. It could help explain more of what you are trying to impart here.

Also you suggest that the maturation process can run through the last few years of teenager years and into the early 20s. Generally. Certainly this all lines up with the years following puberty which makes sense due to the major changes in our physical beings during this period. But Vita, what happens next?

I am assuming that this course you have come across, that you have set upon, that you understand as ripening to a point of maturity around 22. what happens now. From you descriptions of this process that you mention, I get the impression that not everyone, yea very few people go, or have gone through this process you describe. And that you have and managed to come out the other side a more mature person, a wiser person than the average Joe. So, what now?
How will all of this benefit you, or the world. What possible changes and revelations might be coming your way in the next five years. Ten years. Fifty years.???

That is an excellent inquiry thus I will let you know what will occur....

In the next 18 years I will gain political ground, most likely through the UN thanks to certain individuals/favors certain groups and associations will owe me... Which I will gain through the next 10-12 years...

I will take the post of high chancellor of the UN which will become a position as I rise through the ranks.... During those times the chaotic state of the world will develop even further with a almost WW3 situation playing out in the Middle East....

Thanks to that through my new position in the UN I will get the world council of all nations to vote for the dispersal and removal of all religions through out the world....

Many will hate me for it but many will eventually come to understand it... progress requires sacrifices and at times a lot of money *Bluntly stares at the Catholic Church.... Also thanks to a 2nd factor once I permit the release of the Vatican records... it will make the whole process go by smoother... not to mention how many people will burn down the church in the process....

After that is accomplished technology and science will go into a rapid speed of development and not to mention life span increase and basic youthfulness....

Not to mention the trials and death penalty for a few naughty politicians that have done things people are not aware of.....

Also at a certain stage slaughter of life forms will no longer be required and it will be accomplished.....

There are many other things....but for this time this is all you need to know....

Questions?

Great discussion, all this resonates very well with me.

VitaArcana, your brain is still developing. I know this because I am 23, and every year I ask myself "what more is there to understand about this veil?". Yet, every year my understanding develops further. I wouldn't necessarily call earth a prison, but rather, an incubation chamber. Plato called it a "receptacle" for the world of forms (consciousness/heaven/whatever you want to name it). So we are in a state of becoming. On a journey to remember consciousness. Literally to re-member; re-join our conscious experience with the always-was-and-will-be Being. Soon we will not be subject to time/decay as we know it, but for now "time" is required in this incubation chamber for our organic vessels to develop, cocoon, and then give a transcendental birth into the eternal world of spirit.

I think our human bodies will still "exist" as this transformation develops. Our bodies will be a shadow of our spiritual, pure-conscious being and we will be impervious to any sort of lower-conscious beings that may interact with it.

All this we are talking about has been swept under the rug of ignorance that has been perpetuated by the malignancy we call society. Death occurs due to giving up, or as you called it, being "tired". The human body has all the necessary mechanisms to repair itself indefinitely. It still befuddles the scientific community as to why the aging process occurs. In my opinion, it is a gradual process of alienating yourself from consciousness.

"Then He continued and said, That is why you become sick and die, for you are deprived of the one who can heal you.

He who has a mind to understand, let him understand.

Matter gave birth to a passion that has no equal, which proceeded from something contrary to nature. Then there arises a disturbance in its whole body."

A return to the former harmonious state of humankind is in the works. Also, never fear management, we are rooted in something much stronger than their gross form of control. I'm looking forward to hearing your thoughts on the matter

a reply to: cooperton

The thing humanity does not realize is that they are killing themselves...

originally posted by: VitaArcana
a reply to: cooperton

The thing humanity does not realize is that they are killing themselves...

We certainly realize it, but it seems we can't evolve beyond that destructive behaviour.