Vatican City recognized State of Palestine, a country officially still inexistent for the USA

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Eleven days ago the Holy see has understood that there is no sense to delay more to recognize the reality of the Holy land, as well as the middle east and the world, for the good of the world peace, so it has become the fifth country of Mediterranean Europe to recognize officially the existence of the State of Palestine, after Albania, Bosnia, Malta and Cyprus.

All central European Countries, but Austria, have recognized Palestine and in Eastern Europe only Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania, Finland and Moldova are still pending. In Western Europe Iceland and Sweden have been the first countries to recognize Palestine. In The Americas the overwhelming majority of nations has also recognized Palestine as a State. In 2012 Palestine became an observer state of the UN.

As of 30 October 2014, 135 (69.9%) of the 193 member states of the United Nations and two non-member states have recognized the State of Palestine.

The thread is open naturally to the ones become interested in the topic of the growing international recognition to the second state of the Holy Land.

Thanks,

The Angel of Lightness

a reply to: The angel of light

The Vatican doesn't recognize the annexation of Crimea. Does that mean that Russia is in denial?


I guess my question is. Exactly how much weight do people put behind the Vatican's opinion?

a reply to: Greathouse

Well,

The Vatican city is a really tiny European State, but happen that the His Holiness The Pope is the principal of a church that represents alone around 60% of all the Christians in the world, and its members are at least 20% of the world population.

I think that makes a recognition by the Holy see especially meaningful, of course as I have told it is not the only country in the world that has done this, as I wrote in the opening post 134 other nations in the world has done the same even before, so that is possibly what really matters now.

For how long we are going to continue hiding the sun with the hand? it is a fun game , I don't have any doubt on that, but it is a way to deceive ourselves, I respectfully think so.

Thanks,

The Angel of Lightness

a reply to: The angel of light

Well since Russia's annexation of Crimea is only recognized by seven countries I guess you disapprove of that too?

But since you're pointing the US out. Are there any other countries that haven't recognized a Palestinian state or are you just on a American hating stance today? Like maybe Canada,Australia, England + ?

a reply to: The angel of light

Palestine won't get recognized by the US anytime soon. US Congress is infested with dual national Israelis.AIPAC pretty much runs US foreign policy and even grooms potential future politicians. "Get them while they're young"

a reply to: The angel of light

Which state is actually being recognised - the pre-1948 state, or the bits-n-pieces that remain today?

The only way the area ever sees some sort of peace is if either Israel or Palestine is wiped from the area. There will be no peace with a two state solution. You can yell and whine, but that is the reality. Sometimes someone has to do the dirty work for the greater good. You can pick who you want to annihilate, but one of them has to go for the long term peace of the region and the world. I know who I would pick.

originally posted by: Metallicus
I know who I would pick.

Your avatar says it all.

a reply to: Sublimecraft

Well, a state is not only territory, it is perhaps more important the aspect of a nation, what is not only a population, but a set of common values, traditions, Language, culture that gives cohesion and national identity to a group of people, distinguishing them from others.

Now, countries like the Vatican city defy the definition of State associated necessarily with a territory. Theoretically any Catholic in what so ever country has born or grown has a potential second nationality , the one of the Holy see.

Thanks for your attention,

The Angel of Lightness

originally posted by: Greathouse
a reply to: The angel of light

Well since Russia's annexation of Crimea is only recognized by seven countries I guess you disapprove of that too?

But since you're pointing the US out. Are there any other countries that haven't recognized a Palestinian state or are you just on a American hating stance today? Like maybe Canada,Australia, England + ?

Is Canada, Australia, England (where members of Parliament have called for a recognition of Palestine) the major financier of the nation wiping Palestine off the map? There is no way that you can discuss Israel and Palestine without bringing up America because it's thanks to America that Israel is able to commit and get away with most of it's crimes against the Palestinians.

a reply to: Boeing777

Well, considering how disastrous is the current outcome of the USA policy in the Middle east, I think soon or later somebody will realize in Washington that the position that the American diplomacy has had along many decades with respect to the Palestinians is untenable , there is no future at all for it.

USA needs to refrain the wave of hatred that right now is spreading like a so dangerous pandemic along not only the Middle east but the Muslim world in general against the American values, so to continue supporting Zionism does not look as the best choice at all.

I Think the Pope has understood this in a so intelligent way, after all he is responsible to do something effective that also remove obstacles in the way to show that the problem in between Israel and Palestine is not really a Christian issue, it is not his problem, it is a political problem that pertain to the forces have created and boosted it along decades, since the Catholic Church was never even consulted to declare a Jewish State in 1947 as the only State in the Holy Land.


Today, more than never before the Eisenhower policy with respect to the Middle east and in particular concerning the Holy land, to remain neutral in the Jewish - Palestinian conflict, sounds to be the only possible path to recover influence and credibility in that crucial area of the world for the American diplomacy.

Thanks,

The Angel of Lightness

originally posted by: Boeing777

originally posted by: Metallicus
I know who I would pick.

Your avatar says it all.

I didn't expect my post to be popular nor would I be willing to harm another human except in self-defense, but a two-state solution will never work in that area.

a reply to: buster2010

Well, I don't think the recognition of Palestine points in to the direction of hatred against the USA, that would be to try to say that there was ever a plebiscite in America in 1947 to compromise the vote of the country in favor of the creation of a Jewish State.

Of course what Greathouse suggest is ridiculous.

In 1947 the UN voted to decided the creation of a Jewish state in a country where more than 75% of the population were Palestinians, and what really happened is that Harry Truman just gave the command to his ambassador in NYC to vote in that way and that is all.

The American people never was even consulted on such a decision, but we all have suffered in this country the consequences of it along decades, from the time of the Petroleum embargo of the early 1970s to this horrendous time in which to be an American in the Middle east is a crime paid with decapitation.

A more realistic approach perhaps is to ask ourselves if we really think that there is way to continue in a policy that basically want to treat the Palestinians as if they would be the Red skins of the middle east?

Thanks,

The Angel of Lightness

a reply to: buster2010

Nope but they do all have large industries, corporation and financial interest. Also as I pointed out but you failed to understand. There is no way to bring up Israel without America but does America have to be singled out? To single it out and not bring up any other countries only shows a biased opinion.


I mean come on of all people your opinion is completely obvious you are 100% biased. Why don't you just admit it? ( I did not mean that as harsh I meant it objectively. Somebody thought it was aggressive so I came back to add a smiley face.)

a reply to: Greathouse

Following Buster's post history...

How do you asseverate that he/she is biased?



Buster wants America to stop giving tax payer money to an illegal occupier who have broken 80+ international laws in their endeavours...


& so should any American/person with a heart in their chest!

a reply to: Greathouse

Dear Greathouse,

I think there is here a huge misunderstanding, let me try to correct it. I am under the impression that you are the one that has not understood the point.

Of course there are other countries around the world that has not yet recognized Palestine, but the point is that we live in America, and so we are concerned with the policies of this country.


We have few to do with what Her Majesty Queen Elizabeth II decided to do in her dominions, if She decides to maintain the thesis that because Jonathan Swift in Gulliver's Travels never wrote even a single line that he ever referred to have visited a country called Palestine is a good reason to deny its existence that is essentially her problem and the one of her subjects.

Thanks,

The Angel of Lightness

a reply to: CharlieSpeirs

What makes you so presumptuous?

I believe Palestine should have a state. I disapprove of the human rights violations by Israel.


So would you explain to me why America should be singled out for ridicule when other countries can do a lot more also?

a reply to: Greathouse

Other Nations can & should.

America however, vetoes UN treaties and resolutions in favour of Israel making it much harder to do something about their illegalities.

However, I never assumed a thing...
I was talking about your accusation of bias towards Buster.

Seemed a little unnecessary imo.

a reply to: The angel of light

Of course there are other countries around the world that has not yet recognized Palestine, but the point is that we live in America, and so we are concerned with the policies of this country.

I was so hoping you would mention the highlighted part. I would like to remind you like members do when they're bashing America this is an international form.


Maybe I misunderstood so I would like to ask you a question. Why did you fail to list all the other countries that you admit could do a lot more?


I'm done in this thread I proved my point. Not one member could admit their true feelings or reasons on this thread.

Although the motivation is apparent throughout their post that litter this site.

a reply to: CharlieSpeirs

I was talking about your accusation of bias towards Buster.

Well it's not an accusation when it's true. You must not read his post. I don't even have a problem with it except his refusal to admit it. Everyone is entitled to their opinion I just wished everyone would be honest about their opinions.

I'm still bowing out of this thread but I felt that need addressed.